List Mgmt. Back2Back Rorts Baby (aka 2026 draft thread)

[Tom14]

It gets overlooked how badly WCE fumbled the Allen situation as well. He was by all accounts ready to stay but their handling of the Sam Mitchell coffee meeting put a stop to that idea. Once he was clearly on the move, of course he wanted to go to a club with a chance at success over the next few seasons. I have read from WCE supporters that the Eagles were essentially packing his bags for him for the compo pick. His injury history and their list needs meant that the #2 pick for Allen was arguably overs, for his output and injury history. Though hopefully the worst of it is behind him. There is certainly no guarantee that he will have a good season or that he will play more than 20 games over his contract. Since we have been successful a lot of our big name FA signings have been guys that involve risk because of their injury history.

I am loving what Draper is bringing so far but he is still a risk with his injury history. He was on the Essendon list for 9 seasons made his debut in his 4th season after an ACL in his 3rd season in 2019.

Putting aside that we lost 2 best 23 players to FA, the salary cap means that no team can hold onto all their best/better players unless those players take unders. A well run club with a good culture and clear direction can do that, even if they're not in their premiership window yet. Good staff can develop players that maybe haven't shown their true potential into solid AFL level players or better, recruiters need to make the right selections and there is a huge amount of luck involved along the way as well.

Our depth is great but isn't just based on talented youth, its having guys like Joyce, McKenna, Gardiner, Fort as well as previous depth like Dev, Sam Day and probably a heap more that are no longer at the club, that are all above the age where as touched on by the comments Hinkley made that someone had posted earlier, plenty of clubs would be looking to move them to have more room for youth that statistically is unlikely to make the level and unlikely to be good enough to come in and do a role for anywhere between 1 game and half a season.

I was listening to an old episode of BT's podcast because the guests they have on their are normally pretty good, but he was talking about how in the last draft North didn't have a pick until pick 16 because he didn't know or didn't accept that they had traded their first pick to Richmond in the 2024 period.

IIRC GC traded a lot of picks and players to end up with what was originally a few first round picks that could be traded to other clubs for lesser picks to get the points but they still had to have something close to the points in early picks before the last years trade period/draft. The public is willfully ignorant of the trades that clubs have to make to get the points and the media is complicit in fanning outrage for clicks. I get the feeling that the ignorant believe (and why wouldn't they) that us or GC, Sydney whoever it is, are getting to use junk picks for a top 10 pick and then still getting to use their natural pick.

I believe that the rules around F/S and Academy should be based over a few years, GC has had 9 first round academy picks in the last 3 drafts (+1 3rd round), but they have done a hell of a lot of work to gather points for those picks it hasn't been as simple as collecting second and third rounders while holding on to all their players and first round picks. We wiped out our 2023 draft hand so we could take both Ashcroft and Fletcher in 2022, so over 2022 and 2023 we had two first round draft picks.

I don't believe that they wanted to keep him. They were far more keen on the FA compo than keeping him.

 

[briztoon]

I believe that the rules around F/S and Academy should be based over a few years, GC has had 9 first round academy picks in the last 3 drafts (+1 3rd round), but they have done a hell of a lot of work to gather points for those picks it hasn't been as simple as collecting second and third rounders while holding on to all their players and first round picks. We wiped out our 2023 draft hand so we could take both Ashcroft and Fletcher in 2022, so over 2022 and 2023 we had two first round draft picks.

I'm sorry, but the bolded is not correct.

We traded our 2023 1st, 2nd & 4th round picks for Dunkley (along with pick 21 in the 2022 draft, after we traded back our 2022 first pick, for multiple 2022 later round picks). Receiving back Dunkley and two 2023 3rd round picks.

 

[dlanod]

What a leader.

The roberts hype is v. funny, 2 score involvements from 42 disposals is pretty hard to do!

Especially when the Bombers actually won!

 

[SRH17]

Loved Lachie’s reply when asked at yesterday’s presser what he thought about all the chatter re academy and father/sons.
“Didn’t see too many coming at us 10 years ago when we were a very ordinary football club”

 

[JasRulz63]

Given Annable is 16-18 weeks away and a first year player you don't really want to rush back, I wonder if we'd consider putting him on ice for the season and open up a MSD spot to draft some defensive coverage.

 

[Perrip]

April Power Rankings: Cochrane, Walker, Van Hattum - the names you need to know for 2026

18. Caylen Murray (Brisbane Academy)
Lions Academy/Allies
DEF/MID, 183cm
A classy distributor that plays off halfback or on-ball, Murray is the next in a long line of talent out of the Lions Academy to garner first round consideration. He has grit at the coalface to match the polish on the outside and will be the leading Allies prospect in 2026.

 

[M Malice]

April Power Rankings: Cochrane, Walker, Van Hattum - the names you need to know for 2026

Just read through all those profiles, one thing that still makes me laugh and roll my eyes is that they no longer publish the players weights, WTF.

Going by the write ups every player is going to be an elite 300 gamer, it was not until I got to the number 14 rated player that I found a miniscule criticism, 17 & 19 also received very minor flaw assessments.

Even if the new matching bids rules come in as mooted we should not have much trouble matching a bid in the teens for Caylen Murray you would think, a problem could come if Matthew Owen is also bid on in the first round, which is where one phantom drafter that I have seen has Owen.

 

[Elixuh]

Just read through all those profiles, one thing that still makes me laugh and roll my eyes is that they no longer publish the players weights, WTF.

Going by the write ups every player is going to be an elite 300 gamer, it was not until I got to the number 14 rated player that I found a miniscule criticism, 17 & 19 also received very minor flaw assessments.

Even if the new matching bids rules come in as mooted we should not have much trouble matching a bid in the teens for Caylen Murray you would think, a problem could come if Matthew Owen is also bid on in the first round, which is where one phantom drafter that I have seen has Owen.

Does anyone actually care about weight and height? Relevance?

 

[M Malice]

Does anyone actually care about weight and height? Relevance?

No not an Earth shattering issue for me(although nothing is these days) I do sometimes think is this guy built for footy straight up out of his draft year so I wonder how much does he weigh as compared to his height.

I can not think of a sensible reason not to release players weights other than to "protect" the players feelings, surely they are not that precious and I don't think the draftees would be, let alone current AFL players, there are no player weights listed on lions.com or footywire, not sure on other sites.

 

[Elixuh]

No not an Earth shattering issue for me(although nothing is these days) I do sometimes think is this guy built for footy straight up out of his draft year so I wonder how much does he weigh as compared to his height.

I can not think of a sensible reason not to release players weights other than to "protect" the players feelings, surely they are not that precious and I don't think the draftees would be, let alone current AFL players, there are no player weights listed on lions.com or footywire, not sure on other sites.

A lot of that was info wasn’t even accurate anyway

 

[Perrip]

I can not think of a sensible reason not to release players weights other than to "protect" the players feelings, surely they are not that precious and I don't think the draftees would be, let alone current AFL players, there are no player weights listed on lions.com or footywire, not sure on other sites.

AFL made the call before the 2024 season. Nowhere publishes them anymore.
It wasn't regularly updated either, at least according to Max Gawn, so most of the time it'd be incorrect anyway.

 

[p4p1]

No not an Earth shattering issue for me(although nothing is these days) I do sometimes think is this guy built for footy straight up out of his draft year so I wonder how much does he weigh as compared to his height.

I can not think of a sensible reason not to release players weights other than to "protect" the players feelings, surely they are not that precious and I don't think the draftees would be, let alone current AFL players, there are no player weights listed on lions.com or footywire, not sure on other sites.

IIRC it started because of the AFLW. At the time there was some players who were clearly overweight for an elite athlete. I don't think you can say it is OK to list weights for one gender and not the other so the AFL scrapped listing weights all together.

I don't know that listing weights is all that important or interesting, IMO it isn't as relevant as height.

 

[p4p1]

AFL made the call before the 2024 season. Nowhere publishes them anymore.
It wasn't regularly updated either, at least according to Max Gawn, so most of the time it'd be incorrect anyway.

Beat me to it.

 

[M Malice]

A lot of that was info wasn’t even accurate anyway

AFL made the call before the 2024 season. Nowhere publishes them anymore.
It wasn't regularly updated either, at least according to Max Gawn, so most of the time it'd be incorrect anyway.

You would expect it would be somewhere in the ballpark, you would notice if Sam Draper listed as 205cm was then listed at a weight of 90kg or Zorko 90kg at a height of 135cm I am 99% certain the recruiters would know the weights/skinfolds.

As I said earlier certainly not an issue I would take up pitchforks and storm AFL house over, just another in an endless line of meaningful chat.

 

[p4p1]

You would expect it would be somewhere in the ballpark, you would notice if Sam Draper listed as 205cm was then listed at a weight of 90kg or Zorko 90kg at a height of 135cm I am 99% certain the recruiters would know the weights/skinfolds.

As I said earlier certainly not an issue I would take up pitchforks and storm AFL house over, just another in an endless line of meaningful chat.

I get what you are saying but I am not sure how much can really be gained from knowing players weights. Trying to decide who is going to win a battle of strength in a contest based on weight or height and weight is unlikely to be accurate anyway.
I would be shocked if the recruiters didn't know the weights of the players and their skinfolds but that doesn't mean the general public should know in an age where 'fans' can reach out to players and insult them about whatever idiotic thought comes to their mind.

I'm not that bothered either way and as I said, from memory it was a call made because of what was happening in the AFLW and I am guessing social media comments on players weights whether they were listed or not. All I associate knowing the weights of players with is having it under their stats on footy cards which admittedly I did like.

 

[M Malice]

I'm not that bothered either way and as I said, from memory it was a call made because of what was happening in the AFLW and I am guessing social media comments on players weights whether they were listed or not. All I associate knowing the weights of players with is having it under their stats on footy cards which admittedly I did like.

Neither am I.

 

[BuntonRules]

I tried listing my weight as 10kg lighter than I actually am, but it did not get rid of the beergut.

 

[martinson]

I like to know the players weights , given they will obviously vary over the course of a season, and any non disclosure on the basis that it might hurt the feelings of a professional athlete is another pile of poppycock that there seems to be an endless stream of.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I like to know the players weights , given they will obviously vary over the course of a season, and any non disclosure on the basis that it might hurt the feelings of a professional athlete is another pile of poppycock that there seems to be an endless stream of.

But they were never regularly updated

 

[martinson]

But they were never regularly updated

Well my point is that they should.

Or at least at the start of the season

The two points against it are the silly one that I alluded to above and the fact that it's not regularly updated so why do it. Another lazy silly reason.

Jus imo I think it's a relevant piece of info . And I'm sure the clubs think it's very relevant. Just another keep everyone in the dark Aspect of the AFL. And clubs.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Well my point is that they should.

Or at least at the start of the season

The two points against it are the silly one that I alluded to above and the fact that it's not regularly updated so why do it. Another lazy silly reason.

Jus imo I think it's a relevant piece of info . And I'm sure the clubs think it's very relevant. Just another keep everyone in the dark Aspect of the AFL. And clubs.

Im happy to judge the players without knowing how much they weighed that morning

 

[M Malice]

It's the soft life most people in the West live these days, when I was at school from the mid 60s in Cairns to senior in Brisbane in 1976 I can not remember a fat kid, there probably was 1 or 2 but nothing comes to mind. I noticed when I was looking after my grandchildren and dropping them at school or going to school events the body shape change, Primary school is pretty good re significantly overweight kids but the numbers pick up in High school.

For all of modern mans ingenuity re technology we have neglected the most important thing ie physical and mental health, both sadly at a level that is the worst that has ever been, IMO longevity is overrated if you do not have reasonable health.

 

[martinson]

It's the soft life most people in the West live these days, when I was at school from the mid 60s in Cairns to senior in Brisbane in 1976 I can not remember a fat kid, there probably was 1 or 2 but nothing comes to mind. I noticed when I was looking after my grandchildren and dropping them at school or going to school events the body shape change, Primary school is pretty good re significantly overweight kids but the numbers pick up in High school.

For all of modern mans ingenuity re technology we have neglected the most important thing ie physical and mental health, both sadly at a level that is the worst that has ever been, IMO longevity is overrated if you do not have reasonable health.

Obesity is a disease of the Western world.

In the States it's an epidemic.

 

[M Malice]

Obesity is a disease of the Western world.

In the States it's an epidemic.

Sadly a lot of disease is self inflicted eg. eating shite and too much of it, lack of movement, excessive alcohol/cigarettes/drugs. Quality of life is everything for me as I approach aged pension eligibility late this year.

 

[martinson]

Im happy to judge the players without knowing how much they weighed that morning

I think you've missed the point completely.

It's nothing to do with judging them because of how much they weigh in terms of the many other important factors

It's a very relevant stat as to their likely capacity in many areas of the game

The clubs constantly monitor it. Horse trainers weigh their horses a couple of times a week. All athletic trainers do it.

To just ignore it when the public is fed every other bit of crap about players when the code is openly encouraging everyone to bet on it is nonsensical but typical.

Height and weight are crucial factors from the Army to any other facet of human endevour that involves physical capacity.