Bad News

[Effes]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20378018-36035,00.html

What a joke of a football club

 

[HBF]

If we get him for nothing then what's the harm? I was against getting Gardiner a few weeks back, but now that i've had a chance to think about it, maybe it's not such a bad thing.

If he can stay injury free, it could be quite a good pick up for the club.

 

[Effes]

What's the chance of him staying injury free?
What's the chance of him improving his attitude?

I'm sick to death of this club drafting stop gap ruckmen instead of growing our own

It's pathetic!

And what a waste of the #1 pre season draft pick

Did we not learn from the wasted pick last year

Plenty of Carlton supporters new McLaren wasn't up to it yet the club went ahead and drafted him. It will be the same with Gardiner

Why don't we use it on a YOUNG midfielder instead of wasting it on a washed up ruckman

 

[HBF]

What's the chance of him staying injury free?
What's the chance of him improving his attitude?

I'm sick to death of this club drafting stop gap ruckmen instead of growing our own

It's pathetic!

Agree in part Effes. What i'd like to see us do is draft Leuenberger if he is still available at pick 17, which I would doubt, or draft either Kruzer of Bellchambers in next years draft.

 

[stokesy]

What's the chance of him staying injury free?
What's the chance of him improving his attitude?

I'm sick to death of this club drafting stop gap ruckmen instead of growing our own

It's pathetic!

Hopefully we will get a ruckman in the draft or something, but we need a "stop gap" ruckman right now. Gardiner is worth the chance, if he can get fit, do a pre-season, hang around with the right people.... well I'd be quite excited.

It is a risk, but if it works, it will help improve the team - particularly in the centre - by a lot.

 

[Effes]

If we actually drafted a proper ruckmen 2 years ago when we had the chance we wouldn't need to be drafting these stop gaps

I'd prefer we go in with Bryan and Deluca *shudder* and draft a rookie ruckman in the ND then adding Gardiner.

We should be using the #1 PSD pick to our advantage to pick up a young mid

 

[HBF]

If we actually drafted a proper ruckmen 2 years ago when we had the chance we wouldn't need to be drafting these stop gaps

I'd prefer we go in with Bryan and Deluca *shudder* and draft a rookie ruckman in the ND then adding Gardiner.

We should be using the #1 PSD pick to our advantage to pick up a young mid

I'm sure we'll address our midfield problems with much higher picks in the draft than pick #1 in the PSD.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What is the chance of getting a good player in the PSD, it is very very low. if they were any good they would have been picked up by another club but we have a rare chance to get a player who was all australian not long ago and is still young. i think it would be great getting him to the club and hopefully get 3-4 years out of him before we can develope some of our own and if he stuffs up show him the door.

 

[marcmurphy3]

What's the chance of him staying injury free?
What's the chance of him improving his attitude?

I'm sick to death of this club drafting stop gap ruckmen instead of growing our own

It's pathetic!

I would be very happy if we could get Gardiner for free. We probably wouldn't even have to pay him much and we'll probably only give him a 2 year contract to start with so we don't have much to lose. when he's on the filed and injury free he could esialy be our number 1 ruckman. He's also only 27 which isn't that old.

Your idea is okay in theory but the truth is ruckman take longer than any position to develop and we need at least one established ruckman now. French's retirement has made it almost a guarantee we will take Gardiner and Gardiner at his best was 10 times as good at French anyway. Gardiner wouldn't need to be fantastic he would just need top get the job done so that the young ruckman would be allowed longer to develop.

P.S. Hopefully he won't have a bad influence on Fev

 

[Bluebear]

What's the chance of him staying injury free?
What's the chance of him improving his attitude?

I'm sick to death of this club drafting stop gap ruckmen instead of growing our own

It's pathetic!

And what a waste of the #1 pre season draft pick

Did we not learn from the wasted pick last year

Plenty of Carlton supporters new McLaren wasn't up to it yet the club went ahead and drafted him. It will be the same with Gardiner

Why don't we use it on a YOUNG midfielder instead of wasting it on a washed up ruckman

Who was taken after McLaren that has showed any more talent.

McLaren is still young, and may yet produce, looks like you've got 20/20 hindsight. What can you "predict about" Gardiner. Write it down and we'll chech it out in nine months.

For this last point, were/nt you arguing that we need two great ruckmen to be competitive. How does taking a young midfielder solve this?
I agree with HBF that we can still take a young ruck in the draft if there is a good one still availble - and we also have Natson and Aisake to develop.

Let me guess - more evidence of Pagan's loss of control/ccoahing ability...........guess he is responsible for all trade/draft decisions now as well.

 

[HBF]

^^^ Tend to agree with you BB. Alot of people on here tend to forget that McLaren is still relatively young and still has a lot to learn about rucking.

 

[Effes]

Mclaren is 194cm tall...........hardly tall enough to be any good in the ruck when you don't have a leap like Jeff WHite.

Yes, it does show our lack of recruiting policy when you don't draft a rookie ruckman in the national draft after having 4 drafts to do so.

Not to mention a bumper crop of ruckmen in the 2004 draft.

I'd prefer a young midfielder to a ruckman who will add nothing to our list.

Matthew White and Sam Isles have shown more and will be around longer than DYlan McLaren

Is it any suprise that after round 14 Dylan Mclaren did not get a game in the worst side in the competition; one that is screaming out for a proper ruckman.

If he was any good he would have played 22 games!

 

[DIG]

We should be using the #1 PSD pick to our advantage to pick up a young mid

No way - use the PSD on the best uncontracted player available - which may or may not be Gardiner (far too early to say). Any young talent has already been overlooked by the 60 or so draft picks in the national draft.

 

[Effes]

Remember how we were going to recruit Trent Knoble

THat deal fell over

And we ended recruited Eddie Betts........................

 

[Bluebear]

Remember how we were going to recruit Trent Knoble

THat deal fell over

And we ended recruited Eddie Betts........................

Knoble vs Betts.........what are you smoking?

You've done nothing but whinge about how Gardniner can't get on the field - Knoble had 3.....count them.....3 games this year.
Again you argue that we should take a good young midfielder instead of a hack ruck, then you come out with this.

And for those saying we never take gambles on kids in PSD or rookie drafts........Eddie Betts is your man.

Gambles don't always pay off, and its easy to say we should have got this guy in indsight (e.g. Matthew White - has turned out to be good after injury concerns in his draft year).
But Iles......4 less than stunning games - sure he may turn out O.K., but so might McLaren.....give the kid a break.

 

[Effes]

I don't think you understood my post at all

 

[Bluebear]

I don't think you understood my post at all

Which one, the White/Iles one or the Knoble/Betts one.

 

[Blues_Man]

I was totally opposed to the concept of drafting Gardiner at first..but i have warmed to the idea ,if we can get him for nothing then he is well worth the gamble ...the simple fact is we desperately need a ruckmen to fill the short term gap that we have now French has retired . Gardiner was a very good footballer before his injuries , and from all reports he has recovered and fit to play .
Pagan is the one coach who can modify his attitude ..if it doesn't work out then we haven't lost a real lot have we ?

 

[HBF]

^^^ I pretty much said the same thing a few days ago Blues_Man

 

[Effes]

Which one, the White/Iles one or the Knoble/Betts one.

What I meant was that we are now better off with Eddie Betts than Trent Knoble. Just like we'll be better off this year if we draft a midfielder in the PSD ahead of another spud ruckman like Gardiner.

 

[Bluebear]

What I meant was that we are now better off with Eddie Betts than Trent Knoble. Just like we'll be better off this year if we draft a midfielder in the PSD ahead of another spud ruckman like Gardiner.

Sorry, mis-read you.
Hey.............did we just agree on somthing????

 

[Effes]

Yep

 

[mickyt888]

lol betts he plays in the foward line at gets less goals than a midfielder

 

[Bluebear]

lol betts he plays in the foward line at gets less goals than a midfielder

Well I guess the two times you saw him this year he did play forward, but actually he spent most of the year inthe centre.
My memory is kinda hazy..........how many did he kick against you in Rd 16 this year??? It was probably in junk time anyway, forget I mentioned it.

 

[Effes]

lol betts he plays in the foward line at gets less goals than a midfielder

19 goals in his debut season
20 goals in his second season

All while playing in the worst side in the comp