Ball movement

[Turbocat]

What has happened to our polished ball movement.Our short stuff is fluffy and our long stuff is almost no exsistant The passes last night were as poor as I can remember. I'm a rap for Tenace but but I rarely see the kid drive the ball forward without a semi shank/half kick. Mackie is a nice kick but couldnt run thru a paper bag let alone tacklers. We will be better when Corey comes back but again he is another link player rather than a player who can drive it.
I dont want to reinvigerate the Ottens/Moloney thing but we really are lacking a 75 metre player that can put the ball to advantage.Bartel can hoof the ball but really not in the same manner as Bemmer. Remember the way Moloney came in and gave us an imediate impact, can Prismall give us this?

 

[nananana catman]

I reckon it was more to do with missing playfair than anything. We didnt have anyone presenting across half forward and thus they looked wide, or got put under pressure and delivered the ball in sloppy.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Sam gave us a whack. He’s partly right, we do need to try and get the back in quicker v good sides, but we also need to get it in with some semblance of purpose.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

Sam gave us a whack. He’s partly right, we do need to try and get the back in quicker v good sides, but we also need to get it in with some semblance of purpose.

First one was Parsons fault, no awareness.. handballs to Stanley, the ruckman! A little 15 meter forward handball to 2E he runs to fifty and kicks a goal.. We need better decision makers in the side

 

[Turbocat]

Sam gave us a whack. He’s partly right, we do need to try and get the back in quicker v good sides, but we also need to get it in with some semblance of purpose.

Struth... talk a bout a bump.. Tenace and Moloney ...

 

[Vdubs]

First one was Parsons fault, no awareness.. handballs to Stanley, the ruckman! A little 15 meter forward handball to 2E he runs to fifty and kicks a goal.. We need better decision makers in the side

Absolute rubbish. Bews to Parsons to Stanley was perfectly reasonable. Stanley's kick was marked by a teammate. That style of play, which is all about possession and movement, is how we play, and this year, we are successful 62% of the time. Parsons cops a lot of crap here from way too many, but being involved in link up play, about 4-5 stanzas before Cunico's kick was smothered, and being blamed for it is way over the top.

 

[Turbocat]

Sam gave us a whack. He’s partly right, we do need to try and get the back in quicker v good sides, but we also need to get it in with some semblance of purpose.

Sam and others from that era should not be totally ignored because they are from a different time and tactical persuasion ... but his line of thinking would also have numerous example of failed executions .. if we had that as a monotonous game plan..
Its about recognising when to step away from the ingrained core game plan which is obvious do not just bomb it to an outnumbered situation and turn the ball over. All the data kings say turnover are the key method of scoring goals now , not the quick insertions to forwards . The example of how Richmond scored was a turnover ..and once turned over all our defender where out of position. This type of situation lends itself to quick entry. But if we are coming in to the forwardline from a slow methodically moved ball .. the defenders will probably not be out place.

There is a lot of chicken and egg here. Slow movement to ensure ball retention , numbers in our backline to sure up defence , and tendency to traverse the boundary .. all give advantage and disadvantage ...
Sam simply wants us to forget the team system approach and get it in to the individual. If we can work out a way to do it without it opening us up the other way ..great..but CS has shown , no matter what he says he is defence first ..he wants to min the risk ..he can live with not scoring and failing in defendable positions ..but he hates losing it in the more dangerous positions

Really the dropping of Buzza only made the situation more likely. For mine the best we have looked for the year was when we had Sav in.. well thats done. Then V North when Hawk was up the ground and we had Danger in the forwardline was quite good as well. When at the G we seem to lack ball retention in the forwardline .. when a fit Menzel or some other player can add some marking to our forwardline ..perhaps it will encourage players to kick it long more often.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

First one was Parsons fault, no awareness.. handballs to Stanley, the ruckman! A little 15 meter forward handball to 2E he runs to fifty and kicks a goal.. We need better decision makers in the side

First one was Bews. He had 2 blokes in space in the middle and he handballed sideways.

 

[Vdubs]

First one was Bews. He had 2 blokes in space in the middle and he handballed sideways.

No, but he saw Parsons, and any time you can, stick the boots in.

 

[cynical]

when you dont play correct structures then players lose confidence in kicking it long

the worst example from that footage was dangerfield running forward but then looking backwards and handballing it back into congestion, with that much free space surely he can put it to advantage to one of our leading forwards

 

[you pick one]

Any way you look at that tape the conclusion has to be, surprise surprise yep shit skills and over handball.

 

[iameviljez]

Struth... talk a bout a bump.. Tenace and Moloney ...

I still think this was relevant!:

I reckon it was more to do with missing playfair than anything. We didnt have anyone presenting across half forward and thus they looked wide, or got put under pressure and delivered the ball in sloppy.

I miss Henry.

 

[Turbocat]

I still think this was relevant!:


I miss Henry.

The game has probably gone thru 4 evolutions of play since the op...

 

[iameviljez]

Sam and others from that era should not be totally ignored because they are from a different time and tactical persuasion ... but his line of thinking would also have numerous example of failed executions .. if we had that as a monotonous game plan..

There's a broad reality that we can't on one hand scream KICK IT LONG AND KICK IT NOW FOR GOD'S SAKES and then also scream that Rance and Vlastuin are having a field day in defence.

Yes, we have two players (three when Menzel plays) who are simply brilliant one-on-one when the ball is in the air - but Richmond sets up to do what we did to sides in 2007: never allow a one-on-one contest under a long ball.

 

[iameviljez]

The game has probably gone thru 4 evolutions of play since the op...

Geelong kamikaze, Clarko/Lyon zone defence, Malthouse boundary-picking, Richmond rolling maul.

Yeah, you're right.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

Absolute rubbish. Bews to Parsons to Stanley was perfectly reasonable. Stanley's kick was marked by a teammate. That style of play, which is all about possession and movement, is how we play, and this year, we are successful 62% of the time. Parsons cops a lot of crap here from way too many, but being involved in link up play, about 4-5 stanzas before Cunico's kick was smothered, and being blamed for it is way over the top.

Give us a spell.. I know you’re a Parsons fan, I’m in the meh section, don’t dislike but jury is out. If you think handballing to our ruckman, who is facing away from our goals with a Richmond player pushing up to him when 2E is 15 meters clear goal side then you’re letting your blind faith clear your judgement. I was at the game and we stuffed that foray big time, there was also another Cats player with 2E who I couldn’t identify wide open as well.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

No, but he saw Parsons, and any time you can, stick the boots in.

Lol as I’ve said haven’t given Parsons a clip before, call as I see it

 

[Vdubs]

Lol as I’ve said haven’t given Parsons a clip before, call as I see it

Apologies for that, should not have been directed at you.
I still think what he did there in the heat was instinctive and Stanley was playing well and in a reasonable spot on the ground. Plus there were several passages of play that transpired before it got to Cunico. Bews gave it to Parsons who was right near him...

 

[TEDDY24INC]

Apologies for that, should not have been directed at you.
I still think what he did there in the heat was instinctive and Stanley was playing well and in a reasonable spot on the ground. Plus there were several passages of play that transpired before it got to Cunico. Bews gave it to Parsons who was right near him...

Noted.. Bews was trying to create a give and go get back, but it didn’t transpire, maybe he should’ve just went

 

[Turbocat]

Noted.. Bews was trying to create a give and go get back, but it didn’t transpire, maybe he should’ve just went

Thats a poor use of an ordinary kick just because Bews has line breaking ability.

 

[autimcx]

im not sure why that second clip is being used, there is nobody in the forward line to kick to. You can see nobody up there when Tuohy kicks it, as well as Richmond being loose across half back when he wants them to kick it. When Sam wants them to kick, its a 30 meter kick to a guy running away from the ball carrier with a Richmond player coming the other way - never a good option to take. They made the right choice to handball instead of kick as they would have definitely turned it over as opposed to maybe making it work with handballs.

First clip however they maybe needed to kick it earlier its hard to tell not being able to see what was actually up forward, but Sam shows how dated he really is by not understanding the way the game is played these days. Whether people like it or not, both those handballing situations are fine, just poor execution. The first is fine if the handball isn't sloppy at the end and there is no slip. Second they have no options up forward without loose Richmond defenders interfering - both of which are completely different to the clip of Richmond going forward.