Bellchambers or Goldstein

[Miaroo]

Who will be the better of these two up and coming tap ruckmen, both have VERY similar attributes.

Both 201cm, Goldstein is 22 and Bellchambers is 21.

 

[DVD Player]

Probably Goldstein.

 

[Zahasouvlakis]

Probably Goldstein.

This. But maybe not.

 

[Demon 86]

Goldstein pretty comfortably at the moment. Bellchambers has made some impressive strides this year buy may have stagnated slightly the last few weeks- revisit this in a few years time and it'll be quite interesting...

 

[schimma2snake]

All the current indicators are pointing to Goldstein being the better ruckman. However, anything can happen over the next decade.

 

[KillaKanga]

Goldstein ATM, more consistent and one of the best tap ruckmen but give Bellchambers another year and I think he'll be more than handy. He'll also be better for playing finals this year!

 

[Slattery_20]

Goldstein's a full year ahead (both age & games) & simply having more impact more consistently.

That said, Goldstein's playing one out. Bellie's playing with 2 other guys who get fair rotations through the ruck. Pulling up the stats won't tell the full picture. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bellie do just as well if roles were reversed.

 

[KillaKanga]

Goldstein's a full year ahead (both age & games) & simply having more impact more consistently.

That said, Goldstein's playing one out. Bellie's playing with 2 other guys who get fair rotations through the ruck. Pulling up the stats won't tell the full picture. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bellie do just as well if roles were reversed.

Yes it will be interesting to see how Goldy goes when Hamish McIntosh is back in the side?

Both have great upside I guess we'll see the answer in 3-4 years. They might be battling for the AA ruck position?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Call me crazy but I would take Bellchambers for the long term, nothing against Goldstein he is a fantastic player... I just think Bellchambers will be one of the elite ruckman

 

[Slattery_20]

Dunno really, long term. In terms of strengths & weaknesses, Bellie's got better hands, arguably more dangerous around goals, Goldstein better at ground level.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Bellchambers has a better name, but Goldstein is a better footballer, so although those two factors are of equal importance to me in choosing which player I like, I'll lean towards Goldstein.

 

[Kings Army]

Dunno really, long term. In terms of strengths & weaknesses, Bellie's got better hands, arguably more dangerous around goals, Goldstein better at ground level.

Better hands? He has taken 1 more mark for the year. Apart from the 1 extra mark and 2 extra goals Goldy has him covered is all other areas. 257 hit outs V 190 hit outs is a big difference. 38 tackles to 10 - shows he also works harder after the ruck contest.

Hate closed polls - Goldy is the better ruckman - even if some think Bellchambers hands are better

 

[Number 10]

Of the young ruckman in the comp I would have:

1. Z Smith
2. Goldstein
3. Kreuzer
4. Naitanui
5. Clarke
6. Luenberger
7. Bellchambers
8. Warnock

Think you know who my tip would be

Edit: They are all very good players, I'm jealous as we only have Wood, this is just a list of who I would have at the pies judging on how much I have watched them and what I like about them.

 

[bombermick]

I'm very impressed with Bellchamber's rapid rise, but I'm voting Goldstein. He is just as dangerous up forward and is better around the ground.

 

[Slattery_20]

N10 - I think I'd have Warncok above Bellie, TBH. If he puts it together, consistently, he will be scary. (bar kicking. Scary of a different sort)

Better hands? He has taken 1 more mark for the year. Apart from the 1 extra mark and 2 extra goals Goldy has him covered is all other areas. 257 hit outs V 190 hit outs is a big difference. 38 tackles to 10 - shows he also works harder after the ruck contest.

So the bit where I voted for Goldstein & said Goldstein was ahead & doing more is a massive issue for you?

Hate closed polls - Goldy is the better ruckman - even if some think Bellchambers hands are better

Is there a flake & a couple of dimmies on your shoulder too, or just a massive chip?

 

[Kings Army]

N10 - I think I'd have Warncok above Bellie, TBH. If he puts it together, consistently, he will be scary. (bar kicking. Scary of a different sort)


So the bit where I voted for Goldstein & said Goldstein was ahead & doing more is a massive issue for you?


Is there a flake & a couple of dimmies on your shoulder too, or just a massive chip?

As poll is closed we do not know who you voted for. The issue I have is the bit about Bellchambers having better hands and more dangerous around goal. It is rubbish.

16 - 0 - no chip just a bag of how do you like them apples.

 

[Slattery_20]

I'm honestly glad you're getting some joy out of the season.

 

[Kings Army]

I'm honestly glad you're getting some joy out of the season.

Lots of joy on the weekend!!

100 hit outs in the last 2 weeks to Goldy compared to the 36 from Bellchambers. One is a chance for AA the other will be lucky to be playing this week.

20 - 0

 

[NiceCunnington]

Goldstein extremely comfortably.

 

[Tippaz]

i think this has become a lot closer

Bellchambers is currently our no.1 ruckman and Goldstein has since been dropped

 

[DVD Player]

Yeah I'd change my vote

 

[Igloo]

Goldstein has still easily outperformed Bellchambers. Fairly easy decision still.

 

[Elite Master]

Bellchambers has stepped it up, but come on, Goldstein is still clearly a better ruckmen.

 

[Lifetime ban]

Goldstein has still easily outperformed Bellchambers. Fairly easy decision still.

Debatable based on seasons averages.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=2721&tid2=13&pid2=1755&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

or totals

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=2721&tid2=13&pid2=1755&type=T&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

H-Mac is ruining Goldstein at the moment. When Goldstein is the lone ruck like last year with Petrie pinch hitting here and there, he is clearly superior than Bellchambers.