Best 22

[Effes]

Can Essendon fans give their opinion of the team's best 22 next year?

 

[monty1104]

FB: Slattery Michael Welsh

HB: McPhee Fletcher Lovett-Murray

C: Stanton Watson Monfries

HF: Hird Lucas M.Johnson

FF: Johns Lloyd Lovett

Rucks: Hille J.Johnson McVeigh

Inter: Winderlich Laycock Bradley Camporeale

Emergencies: Peverill Heffernan Nash

 

[pLaYMaKeR]

best 22? if u were to put that in some other team it would clearly be.. ********test 22

 

[jules101]

best 22? if u were to put that in some other team it would clearly be.. ********test 22

Yeah but the funny thing is that all the players are better then Hawthorns captain. Now run along you little 13 year old troll

 

[Don77]

Done this elsewhere but, oh well, here goes again:

B Nash Michael MJohnson
HB Winderlich Fletcher Lovett-Murray
C McPhee Watson Lovett
HF McVeigh Lucas Monfries
F Davey Lloyd Johns
FOLL Hille JJohnson Stanton
INT Laycock Bradley Slattery Dempsey

Haven't included Hird in this best 22 and he will obviously play when available, probably at the expense of Dempsey. A few speculative picks here eg. Nash to cement a spot in defence, Davey in a forward pocket releasing Lovett to play further up the ground, Winderlich and Dempsey (my 'comer' for 07'). Probably more what the side will look like at the end of the year rather than the beginning- Welsh and Campo will probably be in our side for round 1 but hopefully both will be surpassed by better/younger players by the end of the year. No pace issues in this side and some serious marking power in that forward line!!

 

[danzan22]

Done this elsewhere but, oh well, here goes again:

B Nash Michael MJohnson
HB Winderlich Fletcher Lovett-Murray
C McPhee Watson Lovett
HF McVeigh Lucas Monfries
F Davey Lloyd Johns
FOLL Hille JJohnson Stanton
INT Laycock Bradley Slattery Dempsey

Haven't included Hird in this best 22 and he will obviously play when available, probably at the expense of Dempsey. A few speculative picks here eg. Nash to cement a spot in defence, Davey in a forward pocket releasing Lovett to play further up the ground, Winderlich and Dempsey (my 'comer' for 07'). Probably more what the side will look like at the end of the year rather than the beginning- Welsh and Campo will probably be in our side for round 1 but hopefully both will be surpassed by better/younger players by the end of the year. No pace issues in this side and some serious marking power in that forward line!!

i would have welsh over slattery

 

[Don77]

i would have welsh over slattery

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I wouldn't.

 

[jules101]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I wouldn't.

Tough marker, 6th in the B&F

 

[bhorjus]

FB - Welsh - Michael - Slattery

CHB - McVeigh - Fletcher - Mcphee

C - Lovett - Watson - Lovett Murray

CHF - Monfries - Lucas - M.Johnson

FF - Hird - Lloyd - Johns

R - Hille - J.Johnson - Stanton

I - Dyson - Laycock/Ryder - Bradley - Nash

 

[Don77]

Tough marker, 6th in the B&F

Yeah I know its tough- but he came 6th in the B and F in our worst season in however many years. Lets be honest, he didn't have that much competition!! I just think he lacks pace, continually puts his teammates under pressure through poor decision making and his first option is almost always sideways, not forwards. Just don't rate him as a player unfortunately and don't think he will be a part of our next good side. Players like Nash, Slattery and even Cole have much more upside in my opinion and will have overtaken him in the pecking order all given a fair run with injuries etc. Just my opinion though and I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[danzan22]

FB - Welsh - Michael - Slattery

CHB - McVeigh - Fletcher - Mcphee

C - Lovett - Watson - Lovett Murray

CHF - Monfries - Lucas - M.Johnson

FF - Hird - Lloyd - Johns

R - Hille - J.Johnson - Stanton

I - Dyson - Lee - Bradley - Nash

i think ure forgetting that we really should have a second ruck option in laycock, i know that bradley can ruck but he doesnt have as much skill as laycock in the ruck.

 

[Don77]

i think ure forgetting that we really should have a second ruck option in laycock, i know that bradley can ruck but he doesnt have as much skill as laycock in the ruck.

Agreed, we need 2 legitimate ruckman. Laycock needs to step up next year to be our number 2 ruckmen, If not him, then Ryder or McKinnon.

 

[jules101]

FB - Welsh - Michael - McVeigh

CHB - Lovett Murray - Fletcher - Mcphee

C - Lovett - Watson - Camporeale

CHF - Monfries - Lucas - Davey

FF - Hird - Lloyd - Johns

R - Hille - J.Johnson - Stanton

I - Slattery - M.Johnson - Laycock - Nash

 

[keepzitreal]

B MJ Michael McVeigh

HB McPhee Fletcher NLM

C Bradley Watson Dyson

HF Monfries Lucas Lovett

F Hird Lloyd Johns

R Hille J Johnson Stanton

INT Laycock Winderlich Nash Welsh

To start with anyway, but there are so many to give opportunity to from week to week. Much better options than Marc Bullen and Haynes

 

[ant555]

The best 22 is a bit of a toss at this stage. With a number of unproven kids our best 22 in march will be different to our best 22 in july. i would say we have 12 or so that pick themselves as the better players with the last 10 spots that can be taken by any number of players.

 

[ant555]

Done this elsewhere but, oh well, here goes again:

B Nash Michael MJohnson
HB Winderlich Fletcher Lovett-Murray
C McPhee Watson Lovett
HF McVeigh Lucas Monfries
F Davey Lloyd Johns
FOLL Hille JJohnson Stanton
INT Laycock Bradley Slattery Dempsey

Haven't included Hird in this best 22 and he will obviously play when available, probably at the expense of Dempsey. A few speculative picks here eg. Nash to cement a spot in defence, Davey in a forward pocket releasing Lovett to play further up the ground, Winderlich and Dempsey (my 'comer' for 07'). Probably more what the side will look like at the end of the year rather than the beginning- Welsh and Campo will probably be in our side for round 1 but hopefully both will be surpassed by better/younger players by the end of the year. No pace issues in this side and some serious marking power in that forward line!!

Well dont jump off him when he doesnt do much this year. The kid has tallent but he is still physically at least a season away from being ready for regular senior footy. A solid season for Bendigo with 4 or 5 senior games will be a good year for him.

 

[Longy413]

his first option is almost always sideways, not forwards.

I feel like a broken record, but....

That's his job. A lot of goals are scored from half-back these days, and it's done by opening up the play. Going sideways allows you to do that.

It's funny that you would dismiss Welsh coming 6th in the B&F because we had a poor year, but then critisise for him movement of the ball off half-back. He didn't exactly have a wealth of options presenting themselves. He's a good kick of the footy and very good by hand in traffic, behind only Hird and Watson at the club.

Andrew Welsh is a good footballer, he came 6th in the B&F because he beat his opponent more often than not. He was 23rd in the club for average errors per game, kind of dismisses that he turns the ball over too much theory that many have. He also averaged 20+ disposals per game.

I wouldn't be suprised to see him used more in the midfield next season, he did good jobs on Voss and Swan this year. No, he's not as quick as Andrew Lovett, but you seem to have found a spot for Jobe Watson in your side and Andrew Welsh has him covered for pace.

I may be crazy, but I can definately find a place in my side for a bloke who averages 20+ disposals a game, is tough and courageous, beats his opponent and uses the ball pretty well.

 

[Don77]

As I've said before, we'll have to agree to disagree then Longy.

That's his job. A lot of goals are scored from half-back these days, and it's done by opening up the play. Going sideways allows you to do that.

I agree that a lot of goals are set up from half-back. I reckon you could count on 1 hand (and have fingers to spare) the number of times Welsh set up goals for us this year.

Andrew Welsh is a good footballer, he came 6th in the B&F because he beat his opponent more often than not.

He came 6th in our best and fairest because we only had 5 players who performed better than him, a sad, sad inditement (sp?) of our season. There is no way that Andrew Welsh would ever finish top 10 in a good side. Heck, he wouldn't even get a game with the West Coast Eagles. To be honest, I was absolutely staggered that he finished that high- someone like Mark McVeigh had a much better season in my opinion.

He was 23rd in the club for average errors per game, kind of dismisses that he turns the ball over too much theory that many have. He also averaged 20+ disposals per game.

Handballing 2 metres sideways most of the time would tend to reduce your turnovers don't you think? Kind of proves my point I would have thought. Anyone who watches a lot of footy knows that numbers of disposals in the modern game means nothing about impact on a game.

He's a good kick of the footy and very good by hand in traffic, behind only Hird and Watson at the club.

There is no way in heck that he's the 3rd best handballer in traffic at the club- Winderlich, Bradley and Monfries just off the top of my head and all have played way less football than Welsh. Welsh constantly puts teammates under pressure because he panics with the ball and handballs it to someone under more pressure than he is. He is not composed with the ball and frequently makes bad decisions- as proven by the results whenever he has kicked out from a behind.

I wouldn't be suprised to see him used more in the midfield next season, he did good jobs on Voss and Swan this year.

Then our midfield is in serious trouble next year. He is not and has never been a midfielder. Slattery or even Heffernan bring much more to the table as taggers than Welsh ever will. Saying he did a good job on Voss is kind of a mute point given the state of Voss' knees this year.

No, he's not as quick as Andrew Lovett, but you seem to have found a spot for Jobe Watson in your side and Andrew Welsh has him covered for pace.

Please don't try and compare him and Watson as footballers. Besides their lack of pace, they have nothing in common. Watson as shown more in 1 full season of football than Welsh will in his entire career. One is a very good midfielder, the other is a half back flanker and a dodgy one at that.

Besides, pace in the position that Watson plays (refer Greg Williams, Scott West and Sam Mitchell) is NOT important- he is a midfield ball extractor. He feeds the ball off to quick outside midfielders. Playing in a position where you are meant to be able to shut down opposition smalls (eg. Davey, Didak, Mark Williams) pace IS important. And time after time Welsh has had to be taken off these players because he cannot go with them for pace.

I may be crazy, but I can definately find a place in my side for a bloke who averages 20+ disposals a game, is tough and courageous, beats his opponent and uses the ball pretty well.

You could say the same about Peverill but I think we all agree that as great a footballer as Pev has been for us, we need to move beyond players like him if we are going to progress as a side. The same applies to Welsh. As I said before, I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[jules101]

Bradley only handballs well in traffic because he can't kick

 

[Don77]

Bradley only handballs well in traffic because he can't kick

Still doesn't change the fact that he is a better handballer than Welsh.

 

[Crave]

Davey just wouldnt be in my best 22 just yet. Yet to play a game at senior level, so pointless to speculate on reputation alone.

 

[Crave]

As I've said before, we'll have to agree to disagree then Longy.

That's his job. A lot of goals are scored from half-back these days, and it's done by opening up the play. Going sideways allows you to do that.

I agree that a lot of goals are set up from half-back. I reckon you could count on 1 hand (and have fingers to spare) the number of times Welsh set up goals for us this year.

Andrew Welsh is a good footballer, he came 6th in the B&F because he beat his opponent more often than not.

He came 6th in our best and fairest because we only had 5 players who performed better than him, a sad, sad inditement (sp?) of our season. There is no way that Andrew Welsh would ever finish top 10 in a good side. Heck, he wouldn't even get a game with the West Coast Eagles. To be honest, I was absolutely staggered that he finished that high- someone like Mark McVeigh had a much better season in my opinion.

He was 23rd in the club for average errors per game, kind of dismisses that he turns the ball over too much theory that many have. He also averaged 20+ disposals per game.

Handballing 2 metres sideways most of the time would tend to reduce your turnovers don't you think? Kind of proves my point I would have thought. Anyone who watches a lot of footy knows that numbers of disposals in the modern game means nothing about impact on a game.

He's a good kick of the footy and very good by hand in traffic, behind only Hird and Watson at the club.

There is no way in heck that he's the 3rd best handballer in traffic at the club- Winderlich, Bradley and Monfries just off the top of my head and all have played way less football than Welsh. Welsh constantly puts teammates under pressure because he panics with the ball and handballs it to someone under more pressure than he is. He is not composed with the ball and frequently makes bad decisions- as proven by the results whenever he has kicked out from a behind.

I wouldn't be suprised to see him used more in the midfield next season, he did good jobs on Voss and Swan this year.

Then our midfield is in serious trouble next year. He is not and has never been a midfielder. Slattery or even Heffernan bring much more to the table as taggers than Welsh ever will. Saying he did a good job on Voss is kind of a mute point given the state of Voss' knees this year.

No, he's not as quick as Andrew Lovett, but you seem to have found a spot for Jobe Watson in your side and Andrew Welsh has him covered for pace.

Please don't try and compare him and Watson as footballers. Besides their lack of pace, they have nothing in common. Watson as shown more in 1 full season of football than Welsh will in his entire career. One is a very good midfielder, the other is a half back flanker and a dodgy one at that.

Besides, pace in the position that Watson plays (refer Greg Williams, Scott West and Sam Mitchell) is NOT important- he is a midfield ball extractor. He feeds the ball off to quick outside midfielders. Playing in a position where you are meant to be able to shut down opposition smalls (eg. Davey, Didak, Mark Williams) pace IS important. And time after time Welsh has had to be taken off these players because he cannot go with them for pace.

I may be crazy, but I can definately find a place in my side for a bloke who averages 20+ disposals a game, is tough and courageous, beats his opponent and uses the ball pretty well.

You could say the same about Peverill but I think we all agree that as great a footballer as Pev has been for us, we need to move beyond players like him if we are going to progress as a side. The same applies to Welsh. As I said before, I hope he proves me wrong.

As much as I love Pev and admire his endeavour to succeed with what he has, Welsh has him covered for pace, disposal and arguably reliability. A great mark overhead also, not to mentioned has a great rapport with the younger players from what Ive been told.

 

[FromOutside50]

FB: Welsh Michael M.Johnson

HB: McPhee Fletcher N.L-Murray

C: McVeigh Watson Dyson

HF: Lovett Lucas Hird

FF: Johns Lloyd Monfries

Rucks: Hille J.Johnson Stanton

Inter: Bradley Heffernan Camporeale Laycock

Emergencies: Ryder Nash Winderlich

 

[wazzabp]

B:Welsh Michael Fletcher
HB:Nash Lee Lovett-Murray
C:McVeigh Watson McPhee
HF:Lovett Lucas M.Johnson
F:Johns Lloyd Hird
R:Hille J.Johnson Stanton
In: Dyson Bradley Peverill Laycock

 

[danzan22]

Davey just wouldnt be in my best 22 just yet. Yet to play a game at senior level, so pointless to speculate on reputation alone.

agree, dont know why people are puting draftees in our best 22 when they are yet to play a game.