Big Bash Future

[western royboy]

I think the BBL is going to be overshadowed by the UAE league and that's why it will die

SA league owned by IPL Franchisees played in January is a bigger threat

 

[4Seasons]

I think the BBL is going to be overshadowed by the UAE league and that's why it will die

I think both leagues will survive and it’s long form cricket that’s going to die.
Even the old people who claim to support Test Cricket complain if a wicket hasn’t fallen for 5 overs and start crying draw.

And for all the people who claim to love Shield cricket, attendances don’t seem to stack up with the portrayed love.

Even if BBL crowds plummet, they’ll still be bigger than the Sheffield Shield, and a whole lot cheaper to run, and sellable to a TV audience.

Anyway, I just think it’s hilarious people would rather “see” their favourite players play Sheffield Shield cricket, rather than play in front of an actual crowd, and make some actual money.

 

[frankrizzo]

How does the big bash survive if test cricket dies? if domestic franchise cricket becomes the dominant cricket then what power do we hold? aussie crickets only bit of power now is teams like india and england want to play us in international cricket as it makes them(and us)money if thats gone any domestic comps we run will be crushed by cashed up foreign ones in a few years and our players will head to those, our comps will be glorified feeder comps for the big boys and the best aussie players will rarely play at home.

 

[eddiesmith]

I think both leagues will survive and it’s long form cricket that’s going to die.
Even the old people who claim to support Test Cricket complain if a wicket hasn’t fallen for 5 overs and start crying draw.

And for all the people who claim to love Shield cricket, attendances don’t seem to stack up with the portrayed love.

Even if BBL crowds plummet, they’ll still be bigger than the Sheffield Shield, and a whole lot cheaper to run, and sellable to a TV audience.

Anyway, I just think it’s hilarious people would rather “see” their favourite players play Sheffield Shield cricket, rather than play in front of an actual crowd, and make some actual money.

Australia doesn’t win test matches if their players are all playing hit and giggle cricket all year round.

But of course it suits the Twitter generation, got no attention spans and don’t actually care about cricket or if the game they’re watching is any good as long as it’s over quickly.

Fact is BBL is completely rubbish cricket and will struggle even more in a crowded calendar with far more money on offer elsewhere.

 

[big_e]

Australia doesn’t win test matches if their players are all playing hit and giggle cricket all year round.

That's how professional cricketers have lived for the last 15 years or so.

 

[western royboy]

I think both leagues will survive and it’s long form cricket that’s going to die.
Even the old people who claim to support Test Cricket complain if a wicket hasn’t fallen for 5 overs and start crying draw.

And for all the people who claim to love Shield cricket, attendances don’t seem to stack up with the portrayed love.

Even if BBL crowds plummet, they’ll still be bigger than the Sheffield Shield, and a whole lot cheaper to run, and sellable to a TV audience.

Anyway, I just think it’s hilarious people would rather “see” their favourite players play Sheffield Shield cricket, rather than play in front of an actual crowd, and make some actual money.

Once upon a time it used to be about the game and you grew up watching it, playing it and over time admiring it and maybe even ending up loving it, like I do.

Lose long form cricket and you lose the essence of it. I love Shield cricket, I used to go see it whenever, I played Grade Cricket, both are unrecognisable now due to the bastardisation of it. Shorten the game you take away so many aspects of the game and it turns into a lottery, but over four or five days in varying conditions you see the cream rise to the top, because it is a TEST.

BBL when it started was great off the back of a very strong domestic T20 series, but over time the quality, like all of our First Class systems has declined to the point where it is a rubbish 3rd rate competition. Who’s won the IPL in recent years or the Big Bash? I wouldnt have a clue because it is meaningless fodder. But the recent English Test Match season was enthralling.

Each to their own but if all you’ve ever played or watched is T20, then you have never really played or know the game.

 

[Westend]

Once upon a time it used to be about the game and you grew up watching it, playing it and over time admiring it and maybe even ending up loving it, like I do.

Lose long form cricket and you lose the essence of it. I love Shield cricket, I used to go see it whenever, I played Grade Cricket, both are unrecognisable now due to the bastardisation of it. Shorten the game you take away so many aspects of the game and it turns into a lottery, but over four or five days in varying conditions you see the cream rise to the top, because it is a TEST.

BBL when it started was great off the back of a very strong domestic T20 series, but over time the quality, like all of our First Class systems has declined to the point where it is a rubbish 3rd rate competition. Who’s won the IPL in recent years or the Big Bash? I wouldnt have a clue because it is meaningless fodder. But the recent English Test Match season was enthralling.

Each to their own but if all you’ve ever played or watched is T20, then you have never really played or know the game.

AHh marto just gorgeous

 

[t_94]

I think both leagues will survive and it’s long form cricket that’s going to die.
Even the old people who claim to support Test Cricket complain if a wicket hasn’t fallen for 5 overs and start crying draw.

And for all the people who claim to love Shield cricket, attendances don’t seem to stack up with the portrayed love.

Even if BBL crowds plummet, they’ll still be bigger than the Sheffield Shield, and a whole lot cheaper to run, and sellable to a TV audience.

Anyway, I just think it’s hilarious people would rather “see” their favourite players play Sheffield Shield cricket, rather than play in front of an actual crowd, and make some actual money.

A lot people who would watch shield cricket can’t get there during the week due to 9-5 jobs and play club cricket on the weekend. T20 cricket is repetitive tbh and a white ball rarely moves off the straight after 8-10 overs.

 

[big_e]

It'll never happen, of course, but there's an interesting possibility with the new South African comp having team owners also own IPL franchises. You could conceivable have a system not unlike minor league baseball, where IPL teams sign up Indian players very young and farm them out to their subsidiaries all around the world to get match experience. They could also use it as a way to recruit players from the local leagues into their system. Trinbago Knight Riders are owned by KKR but I don't think there's much crossover.

Well well well.....

 

[akkaps]

Well well well.....

The worrying factor in this is that due to Indian players not being allowed to play in other T20 Leagues across the world, that this would only be for International players. Taking them away from International duties and their own T20 Leagues, whilst not affecting the Indian player schedules.

I do like the idea, but this would only work if all countries had franchised leagues, and International selection was prioritized over T20 Leagues. At the moment, Australia and England are the only two without franchise leagues, rather the boards own the teams so it would impact them the most

 

[t_94]

Well well well.....

Just because it’s inevitable doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

 

[corbies]

Private ownership is only ever good for the owners, the players wallets and the administrators receiving kickbacks and getting in on the deals. It's never good for the actual sport.

I suppose it usually creates a lot of drama too that the casual sports fan absolutely loves. In the end their dollar is worth just as much (probably more to advertisers) as a fan of the actual sport.

However the more niche you can keep a sport, the more pure you can keep its competitions.

 

[Del125763]

Well well well.....

Cant read the whole article as its behind a firewall. But are you a subscriber of Telegraph in UK?

 

[big_e]

Cant read the whole article as its behind a firewall. But are you a subscriber of Telegraph in UK?

Exclusive: IPL owners aiming to tie down world's best players to 12-month contracts

This development would have seismic implications for the international game

www.telegraph.co.uk

Free trial:

IPL franchises hope to contract players for 12 months a year to play across a range of teams, Venky Mysore, the chief executive of Indian Premier League side Kolkata Knight Riders, has revealed.

This development would have seismic implications for the world game, enabling franchises to guarantee leading players lucrative year-round deals and, by extension, reduce the attractiveness of the international game.

The Knight Riders now have four teams under their umbrella - their flagship IPL franchise, the Trinbago Knight Riders in the Caribbean Premier League, plus sides in the International League T20 (UAE) and Major League Cricket (US), which both launch next year.

Other IPL teams are buying teams in other leagues - all six franchises in South Africa’s new T20 league, which launches in January - as international cricket faces heightened pressure to compete. Mysore revealed that the Knight Riders would love to be able to contract players for 12 months a year, to play for the teams in the four different leagues.

“In an ideal world, sure - because that gives us the opportunity to make our vision and our strategy even stronger,” he said. “If we were able to have X number of contracted players, and were able to use them all in different leagues, I think that would be nirvana. Hopefully, someday it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it did.”

One major barrier to players being contracted to franchises across different leagues is that different leagues use different recruitment rules - a mixture of auctions, drafts and individual negotiations. But Mysore said that he was hopeful of reforms to the structure, which would allow for greater continuity between teams playing in different leagues. In practice, this could allow franchises to tie up their highest-profile players to multi-year deals across leagues. If 12-month contracts were introduced, a series of leading England players would likely be targeted by franchises. Jos Buttler, Jofra Archer and Jonny Bairstow are already among the most coveted players in the IPL.

“If it happened that way, at some point in the future, that’d be great,” Mysore said. “What we want to create is a common platform and a system and a culture that allows us to participate around the year - enhancing our brand, building our fan base, and providing opportunities to cricketers around the world. And in the process, you build hopefully a successful business around it.”

Mysore also said that, if the Hundred was opened up to private investment, the Knight Riders would be interested in investing in the competition.

“Our immediate reaction to any such proposal is to say, yeah, we are absolutely interested because this is part of our strategy. Whether it is the Big Bash or the Hundred, although we understand the challenges these leagues face in inviting private investments.

“Wherever we have gone, we've made it successful for the mutual benefit of the league as well as the Knight Riders. When a proposal comes to us it's because they understand the value that the Knight Riders brand brings with it and the entire package that comes with it - we know how to build those brands.”

Mysore is hopeful Indian players will eventually be allowed to participate in overseas competitions, including the Hundred. It is widely believed that Indian players would provide a major boost to the broadcasting rights of foreign leagues.

“Certainly we’re hoping that will happen at some point in the future,” Mysore said. “When we broach this topic the BCCI say, 'yeah, we have to figure out how to do something'. I think they have an open mind. But they need to figure out what’s best for Indian cricket and for Indian players. That’s how they would be thinking about it, which is fair enough. Some very good minds there would be applying their minds to this idea. If it all comes together, it’d be terrific.

“If that were allowed, even in a very limited way, it would eventually be good for Indian cricket. Some players who aren’t yet given a chance in the IPL could be the starting point.”

 

[Kwality]

How does the big bash survive if test cricket dies? if domestic franchise cricket becomes the dominant cricket then what power do we hold? aussie crickets only bit of power now is teams like india and england want to play us in international cricket as it makes them(and us)money if thats gone any domestic comps we run will be crushed by cashed up foreign ones in a few years and our players will head to those, our comps will be glorified feeder comps for the big boys and the best aussie players will rarely play at home.

Thats where CA needs to display leadership in its development of the next generations of cricketers. IF it needs direction talk to the likes of 7s CEO James Warburton, who provide the money.

 

[Kwality]

Exclusive: IPL owners aiming to tie down world's best players to 12-month contracts

This development would have seismic implications for the international game

www.telegraph.co.uk

Free trial:

IPL franchises hope to contract players for 12 months a year to play across a range of teams, Venky Mysore, the chief executive of Indian Premier League side Kolkata Knight Riders, has revealed.

This development would have seismic implications for the world game, enabling franchises to guarantee leading players lucrative year-round deals and, by extension, reduce the attractiveness of the international game.

The Knight Riders now have four teams under their umbrella - their flagship IPL franchise, the Trinbago Knight Riders in the Caribbean Premier League, plus sides in the International League T20 (UAE) and Major League Cricket (US), which both launch next year.

Other IPL teams are buying teams in other leagues - all six franchises in South Africa’s new T20 league, which launches in January - as international cricket faces heightened pressure to compete. Mysore revealed that the Knight Riders would love to be able to contract players for 12 months a year, to play for the teams in the four different leagues.

“In an ideal world, sure - because that gives us the opportunity to make our vision and our strategy even stronger,” he said. “If we were able to have X number of contracted players, and were able to use them all in different leagues, I think that would be nirvana. Hopefully, someday it will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it did.”

One major barrier to players being contracted to franchises across different leagues is that different leagues use different recruitment rules - a mixture of auctions, drafts and individual negotiations. But Mysore said that he was hopeful of reforms to the structure, which would allow for greater continuity between teams playing in different leagues. In practice, this could allow franchises to tie up their highest-profile players to multi-year deals across leagues. If 12-month contracts were introduced, a series of leading England players would likely be targeted by franchises. Jos Buttler, Jofra Archer and Jonny Bairstow are already among the most coveted players in the IPL.

“If it happened that way, at some point in the future, that’d be great,” Mysore said. “What we want to create is a common platform and a system and a culture that allows us to participate around the year - enhancing our brand, building our fan base, and providing opportunities to cricketers around the world. And in the process, you build hopefully a successful business around it.”

Mysore also said that, if the Hundred was opened up to private investment, the Knight Riders would be interested in investing in the competition.

“Our immediate reaction to any such proposal is to say, yeah, we are absolutely interested because this is part of our strategy. Whether it is the Big Bash or the Hundred, although we understand the challenges these leagues face in inviting private investments.

“Wherever we have gone, we've made it successful for the mutual benefit of the league as well as the Knight Riders. When a proposal comes to us it's because they understand the value that the Knight Riders brand brings with it and the entire package that comes with it - we know how to build those brands.”

Mysore is hopeful Indian players will eventually be allowed to participate in overseas competitions, including the Hundred. It is widely believed that Indian players would provide a major boost to the broadcasting rights of foreign leagues.

“Certainly we’re hoping that will happen at some point in the future,” Mysore said. “When we broach this topic the BCCI say, 'yeah, we have to figure out how to do something'. I think they have an open mind. But they need to figure out what’s best for Indian cricket and for Indian players. That’s how they would be thinking about it, which is fair enough. Some very good minds there would be applying their minds to this idea. If it all comes together, it’d be terrific.

“If that were allowed, even in a very limited way, it would eventually be good for Indian cricket. Some players who aren’t yet given a chance in the IPL could be the starting point.”

IPL owners open to offer 12-month contracts to best T20 players in the world

Indian Premier League (IPL) owners are open to the idea of tying down the best T20 players in the world on an annual 12-month contract which will see them play for teams only under their franchise across different leagues in the world.

www.wionews.com

no paywall.

 

[frankrizzo]

Thats where CA needs to display leadership in its development of the next generations of cricketers. IF it needs direction talk to the likes of 7s CEO James Warburton, who provide the money.

There is nothing CA can do if things continue to head the way they are heading, we are at the adults table now with international cricket making so much money for big nations but as soon as that switches and domestic comps are the driving force we are going to the kids table its just reality of the sport and where the money is generated in domestic comps, without the lure of test match cricket we have no hold over our best players and without the cash we have nothing to keep them here or attract the best overseas talent so when talent leaves for greener pastures the tv deals leave with them and we will be the nbl to the the overseas nba which can simply outspend us for every world class player.

 

[Kwality]

There is nothing CA can do if things continue to head the way they are heading, we are at the adults table now with international cricket making so much money for big nations but as soon as that switches and domestic comps are the driving force we are going to the kids table its just reality of the sport and where the money is generated in domestic comps, without the lure of test match cricket we have no hold over our best players and without the cash we have nothing to keep them here or attract the best overseas talent so when talent leaves for greener pastures the tv deals leave with them and we will be the nbl to the the overseas nba which can simply outspend us for every world class player.

You want to take advantage of elite pathways, sign here. No sign, next please, your turn Harry/Harriet.
By all means play grade cricket.

 

[akkaps]

PCB to deny NOC to Pakistani players for BBL, no clarity on new ILT20 or CSA league

There is growing frustration among the top players in the country, who feel they are missing out on big money

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[11kgm]

So no pakistan, india or australian test players going to be fun on the bun

 

[western royboy]

There is nothing CA can do if things continue to head the way they are heading, we are at the adults table now with international cricket making so much money for big nations but as soon as that switches and domestic comps are the driving force we are going to the kids table its just reality of the sport and where the money is generated in domestic comps, without the lure of test match cricket we have no hold over our best players and without the cash we have nothing to keep them here or attract the best overseas talent so when talent leaves for greener pastures the tv deals leave with them and we will be the nbl to the the overseas nba which can simply outspend us for every world class player.

India is the only one making money…they dictate what happens now, all over the world.

 

[4Seasons]

A lot people who would watch shield cricket can’t get there during the week due to 9-5 jobs and play club cricket on the weekend. T20 cricket is repetitive tbh and a white ball rarely moves off the straight after 8-10 overs.

Club cricketers love T20 though.
Even at club cricket they have been pushing T20.
The only people against it seem to be the guns who think the rest of us are crabs via the internet

 

[t_94]

Club cricketers love T20 though.
Even at club cricket they have been pushing T20.
The only people against it seem to be the guns who think the rest of us are crabs via the internet

What do you mean guns/ crabs?

 

[madmug]

India is the only one making money…they dictate what happens now, all over the world.

Yes, which is why their needs ti be a serious discussion about the future of the game & the pathways for future players.

All players learn at school, onto grade cricket then the longer forms. Thats how they develop to be the players they are at International level.

If that's all disrupted, where & how do players develop? Where do the T20 franchises go to pick the next 'stars'? They'd have to sift through an awful lot of grade players to find the odd quality player who could slot into the professional game of T20.

Baseball have a system of college & minor leagues. Thats sort of like out grade cricket to state level, then International level systems. So without those, where to next??

Disrupting technologies can be good, as long as something suitable replaces what we have. I guess Packer cricket of 1977 was the last major 'disruption'. It still relied on the old player development systems under pinning it.

 

[4Seasons]

What do you mean guns/ crabs?

The “guns” are those who take to the internet thinking playing first class or test cricket is somehow easy.
I get this is primarily a football website, and yes some footballers get put on lists due to potential, but there are no “crabs” playing test or first class cricket.