BBL Big Bash League Expansion Thread

[Sydney Bloods]

No point in expansion, forget whether any other city can support a team or how the extra wear on the grounds will play out, or money involved.

There simply isn't enough talent and CA hardly needs to "grow the game" there is no barassi line in cricket. cricket owns this nation, nothing holds a candle to it. participate rates are higher, viewers are fantastic, attendances are right up there and there's no "untapped" player base. all of this in the middle of summer when people are on holidays, in putrid sweltering conditions.

nothing is gained by expansion, but the quality will be lost. You can make a case that a New Zealand team or two would address these issues. But there's no way in hell the kiwi's will allow New Zealand teams entering an australian comp and destroying the terrible T20 comp they have, it's a pride thing they won't back it.

Now it's not to say the big bash should never expand, look at it in 10-15 years time and if the comp is still going well then yeah we could look at expansion. but i'd wager a 2nd perth team would get in ahead of any regional areas.

the A-league shows what happens when you start drinking your own piss, soccer thought it was hot shit, now its having teams going broke, folding, arguing over licences, crowd violence, shit players, etc, etc. and now it's a squarely behind the big bash, who up until this season was hardly taken seriously by anyone (and still isn't taken seriously by most) the lesson to be learned here is walk before you can run. sold out venues are awesome. an average of 1 million viewers, fantastic. but let's wait until we show that this is sustainable before branching into areas which have failed time and time again with other sports. The stupidest thing you can do is assume that "this time it will be different" there is nothing wrong with caution, especially when things are going well.

 

[Marklar_33]

Sydney Bloods regarding your third paragraph

I'm not so sure the Kiwis wouldn't embrace it. They love the opportunity to knock off the Aussies in their own league. When I was over there, sports news was saturated with NRL news, even all the stuff that wasn't Warriors related, and there was a fair chunk more Aussie content. Not sure the divide is that great

 

[nobbyiscool]

There simply isn't enough talent and CA hardly needs to "grow the game" there is no barassi line in cricket. cricket owns this nation, nothing holds a candle to it. participate rates are higher, viewers are fantastic, attendances are right up there and there's no "untapped" player base. all of this in the middle of summer when people are on holidays, in putrid sweltering conditions.

This isn't quite true - there is almost certainly an untapped player base. You ask CA now and they say that increasing participation among kids was always one of the aims because it had dropped to about 17th among the sports that they want to play. Whether or not this is true? Who cares - fact is they have had a huge increase in junior participation, especially among girls.

the A-league shows what happens when you start drinking your own piss, soccer thought it was hot shit, now its having teams going broke, folding, arguing over licences, crowd violence, shit players, etc, etc. and now it's a squarely behind the big bash, who up until this season was hardly taken seriously by anyone (and still isn't taken seriously by most) the lesson to be learned here is walk before you can run. sold out venues are awesome. an average of 1 million viewers, fantastic. but let's wait until we show that this is sustainable before branching into areas which have failed time and time again with other sports. The stupidest thing you can do is assume that "this time it will be different" there is nothing wrong with caution, especially when things are going well.

I hope everyone ignored this, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

A-League expansion wasnt because it thought it was "hot shit" as you so eloquently put it - the initial expansion were strategic decisions based around the world cup bid.

And crowd violence? Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Tele buddy... in fact I woudn't even be admitting to reading the Daily Tele as you've just done. 95% of people who get kicked out of A-League matches get banned. In 10 years they've banned 189 people - the vast majority were not for violent offences.

About 170 people were ejected from the MCG on the first 2 days of the Boxing Day test - the only difference is that, quite embarassingly, Cricket Australia doesn't have a banning policy.

Most people here are having intelligent, thought out conversation. You're spouting bullshit hyperbole on a sport you clearly know nothing about, but are prepared to slander because Bec Wilson, who was probably drunk when she wrote the article on the 189 based on her drink-driving record, told you to.

 

[Docker82]

Sydney Bloods regarding your third paragraph

I'm not so sure the Kiwis wouldn't embrace it. They love the opportunity to knock off the Aussies in their own league. When I was over there, sports news was saturated with NRL news, even all the stuff that wasn't Warriors related, and there was a fair chunk more Aussie content. Not sure the divide is that great

Would a country with six domestic sides want to allow us to down that to two or even one. They'd want us to add all their teams in which is not happening because they don't have the talent. Our teams are about shield standard as overseas and gun retired prop up the standard lost by increasing to eight teams. Problem is Ryder Cup (or whatever they call the comp) teams aren't even close to shield teams.

Four teams they may agree to. I guess that'd be Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin. Problem is suitable venues don't exist in Christchurch or Dunedin at this point in time (Christchurch still haven't built a new one after the earthquake destroyed Lancaster Park).

I think the main reason we are talking about expansion here is that teams want more money by playing more games. We can play more games without expanding the number of teams.

 

[Marklar_33]

Would a country with six domestic sides want to allow us to down that to two or even one. They'd want us to add all their teams in which is not happening because they don't have the talent. Our teams are about shield standard as overseas and gun retired prop up the standard lost by increasing to eight teams. Problem is Ryder Cup (or whatever they call the comp) teams aren't even close to shield teams.

Four teams they may agree to. I guess that'd be Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin. Problem is suitable venues don't exist in Christchurch or Dunedin at this point in time (Christchurch still haven't built a new one after the earthquake destroyed Lancaster Park).

I think the main reason we are talking about expansion here is that teams want more money by playing more games. We can play more games without expanding the number of teams.

Oh no, I'm not talking of replacing the NZT20 competition, the Georgie Pie Super Smash final was December 13, so any teams from NZ (and domestic players) would be available in a T20 sense for BBL selection. They would, of course, have the issue of digging deep to fill FC teams during this time, but the call of the almighty dollar for those good enough...

 

[Bomberboyokay]

"Not enough talent" They can import more players if the gulf between the BBL and the best 22 players below it is really is an issue.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

"Not enough talent" They can import more players if the gulf between the BBL and the best 22 players below it is really is an issue.

Not really, the reason why we don't see many current international players (unlike the IPL) is because they aren't available during the Big Bash. This is annoying actually as it will hold back the quality of the cricket somewhat.

 

[Docker82]

Not really, the reason why we don't see many current international players (unlike the IPL) is because they aren't available during the Big Bash. This is annoying actually as it will hold back the quality of the cricket somewhat.

There's plenty more county players that would easily be able to come in and contribute. It's not like every decent player from England is in the test squad. There's no cricket on in the West Indies or sub continent either. What are Ryan ten Doeschate, Yasir Arafat, Jason Roy, Eoin Morgan etc doing. There's plenty of others I've never heard of too.

Another way could be allowing more players to be counted as locals. For expample Riki Wessels was born in Australia. Would probably only add 2-3 more players but still it's something.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

There's plenty more county players that would easily be able to come in and contribute. It's not like every decent player from England is in the test squad. There's no cricket on in the West Indies or sub continent either. What are Ryan ten Doeschate, Yasir Arafat, Jason Roy, Eoin Morgan etc doing. There's plenty of others I've never heard of too.

Another way could be allowing more players to be counted as locals. For expample Riki Wessels was born in Australia. Would probably only add 2-3 more players but still it's something.

I was trying to come up with a hypothetical side I would compose if I was in charge of a second Perth side.

Luke Pomersbach - offer him a carton to return to the game
Brendon McCullum (+) - who actually wants to play for the Heat?
Michael Klinger (c) - Voges is technically Scorchers skipper mate, come and have the (c) for us!
Kurtis Patterson - come get a regular game son
Ashton Agar - promise him a batting spot in the top 5 and 4 overs a match
Travis Birt - living locally and not technically on the Scorchers list full time
Ashton Turner - promise him a game and a chance to bat each match
Jim Allenby - ask CA to allow Allenby to play as a local
Mitchell Johnson - throw the big bucks at the big fella
James Muirhead - can't get a gig at the Scorchers...just don't remind him about Hogg's age!
Mohammad Asif - would 'fix' our death bowling issues

Would never come together but would certainly be competitive.

 

[Docker82]

I was trying to come up with a hypothetical side I would compose if I was in charge of a second Perth side.

Luke Pomersbach - offer him a carton to return to the game
Brendon McCullum (+) - who actually wants to play for the Heat?
Michael Klinger (c) - Voges is technically Scorchers skipper mate, come and have the (c) for us!
Kurtis Patterson - come get a regular game son
Ashton Agar - promise him a batting spot in the top 5 and 4 overs a match
Travis Birt - living locally and not technically on the Scorchers list full time
Ashton Turner - promise him a game and a chance to bat each match
Jim Allenby - ask CA to allow Allenby to play as a local
Mitchell Johnson - throw the big bucks at the big fella
James Muirhead - can't get a gig at the Scorchers...just don't remind him about Hogg's age!
Mohammad Asif - would 'fix' our death bowling issues

Would never come together but would certainly be competitive.

Where would this team play? After the new Perth Stadium is complete the WACA will be reduced in size and Subiaco will more than likely be domolished. Looks like they want to keep one team per stadium. Plus when the new stadium is up, we'll need to almost triple our crowds to fill the stadium. The demand just won't be there tbh.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Where would this team play? After the new Perth Stadium is complete the WACA will be reduced in size and Subiaco will more than likely be domolished. Looks like they want to keep one team per stadium. Plus when the new stadium is up, we'll need to almost triple our crowds to fill the stadium. The demand just won't be there tbh.

I don't want a second Perth side, just a hypothetical.

 

[JackFlash]

The time difference will kill a NZ entry, 2 hours ahead of us. Not good for prime time viewing here. 7.30pm Auckland time is 5.30 EST so it's Adelaide and WA for me. Adelaide Oval is bursting at the seams and WA will have a new stadium by 2018. More Derby's = more $$$ IMO, more $ to attract overseas players. The talent is there.

 

[The_Reaper]

The time difference will kill a NZ entry, 2 hours ahead of us. Not good for prime time viewing here. 7.30pm Auckland time is 5.30 EST so it's Adelaide and WA for me. Adelaide Oval is bursting at the seams and WA will have a new stadium by 2018. More Derby's = more $$$ IMO, more $ to attract overseas players. The talent is there.

why would anyone support those Adelaide and Perth teams?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The time difference will kill a NZ entry, 2 hours ahead of us. Not good for prime time viewing here. 7.30pm Auckland time is 5.30 EST so it's Adelaide and WA for me. Adelaide Oval is bursting at the seams and WA will have a new stadium by 2018. More Derby's = more $$$ IMO, more $ to attract overseas players. The talent is there.

The talent isn't there for 2 full squads in WA. Nor SA.

Getting overseas talent isn't dependent on $, but rather availability.

 

[Van_Dyke]

The time difference will kill a NZ entry, 2 hours ahead of us. Not good for prime time viewing here. 7.30pm Auckland time is 5.30 EST so it's Adelaide and WA for me. Adelaide Oval is bursting at the seams and WA will have a new stadium by 2018. More Derby's = more $$$ IMO, more $ to attract overseas players. The talent is there.

At the moment I think Adelaide and Perth are just about perfect. Everyone interested has gotten behind the Scorchers and I doubt the viability of a 2nd team.

 

[madmug]

At the moment I think Adelaide and Perth are just about perfect. Everyone interested has gotten behind the Scorchers and I doubt the viability of a 2nd team.

Yes, as said before, maybe Canberra & GC as they already have the facilities for it. Maybe to start with, Change Sydney Thunders#s name to GWS Thunder & play a game in Cambra, also Renegades play a game in Geelong & Hurricanes in Launceston, Brisbane on the GC to, maybe.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

The talent isn't there for 2 full squads in WA. Nor SA.

Getting overseas talent isn't dependent on $, but rather availability.

Overseas talent doesn't have to be international level.

 

[The_Reaper]

Overseas talent doesn't have to be international level.

We're already capable of attracting players of that level.

It's also hard to see any possible expansion areas (bar NZ) that really have the scope to drive up revenue. And with NZ, no doubt New Zealand cricket would be getting a significant portion of the money.

 

[Marklar_33]

The time difference will kill a NZ entry, 2 hours ahead of us. Not good for prime time viewing here. 7.30pm Auckland time is 5.30 EST so it's Adelaide and WA for me. Adelaide Oval is bursting at the seams and WA will have a new stadium by 2018. More Derby's = more $$$ IMO, more $ to attract overseas players. The talent is there.

That's a positive for mine (time difference). Double headers everywhere! A 7pm NZ time game can lead into a 7:30pm Adelaide start. 7:30 NZ, lead into 5:30/6 Perth start. Saturday triple headers! The possibilities!

 

[Hamingja]

Overseas talent doesn't have to be international level.

Hales, +Keiswetter, Carberry, Shah, retired Flintoff, Styris, Durnbach, Tremlett, Mahmood. Any other county spuds that I have forgotten to make up an xi. They are the only players that are really available. The West Indians are already all here, sa & nz domestic comps run concurrently. Any semi decent Indian domestic cricketer will get an ipl deal and wouldn't get out of bed to come and play for tens of thousands. No one will touch a Pakistani domestic cricketer with a barge pole. Maybe the bbl could better utilise Sri Lankans and some associate players but doubt you'd get more than a handful of players. If you extend the teams you will just end up with your cowans, doolans, hills playing every match.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I reckon we should have 10 teams in Melbourne lol

 

[JackFlash]

It might just remain at 8 teams, but we will certainly see more games played... It's very hard to see how they won't go to a 10 team competition though within a couple of years?

That's a positive for mine (time difference). Double headers everywhere! A 7pm NZ time game can lead into a 7:30pm Adelaide start. 7:30 NZ, lead into 5:30/6 Perth start. Saturday triple headers! The possibilities!

No doubt they will be scratching their heads at TEN wondering how they can increase the time for next season 2016/2017. It's been an extraordinary success.

 

[madmug]

I reckon we should have 10 teams in Melbourne lol

Steady up, Wookie will be after you!

 

[1990crow]

Gold Coast, 2 NZ teams and Canberra would be the most obvious if they wanted another 3 teams. Get the NZ teams to use their locals and international stars and the talents is easily available to keep standards up to what we already have. Id actually like to see that, would make the competition bigger than it already is. As for any more Australian teams.. there's still a few quality players not getting a game. But if we increased the amount of international players allowed on a roster by 1 for everyone that would allow for players to move teams and even it up.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

If there's expansion. Canberra and Darwin is what I'd like to see.