Politics Black Lives Matter

[tige19]

Let's say it's true that the police "racially profile" blacks more than others. Why do you think that is? Do you think that it's because, aaaaah I don't know, blacks are disproportionately represented when it comes to crime?

The same way that, aaaaaaaaaaaaah I don't know, blacks are disproportionately represented when it comes to playing basketball, and so the average person could be forgiven for thinking that the average black person might be more gifted in playing basketball than a non-black person?



I think most people form their views/opinions based on their personality type. The Myers-Briggs test, IMO, is a very good method for explaining your personality and preferences. Those on the right tend to use logic/facts, and those on the left tend to form opinions based on their feelings. Countless people have stated this over and over again. Even AOC stated, "I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." Those on the left might agree with this, but many on the right were completely flabbergasted that she could actually say such a thing.

Of course, it never occurred to her that what she perceives to be "morally right" is downright stupid or actually immoral to those diametrically opposed to her point of view.

In terms of these "bubbles" I keep referring to, I just happened to follow a few left-leaning individuals for non-political reasons, who then chose to voice their opinions on political matters, and it was amazing to me see what a completely different reality they lived in, and there was absolutely no, zero, none, zilch, nada chance of convincing them otherwise (and the same goes the other way).



Yes, and I think it's fair to say the whole act of engaging in protests has been completely counter-productive. Innocent lives/livelihoods have been destroyed (including, as you say, those of blacks/minorities) and many on the right who were willing to finally accept that blacks were unfairly treated by the police now look on in disgust at what is happening.

Think about it. Right-wing folks used to mock and make fun of Kapernick and his "take a knee" stunt. After what happened to Floyd, they were finally willing to step back and say, yes, maybe Kapernick had a point. But after these riots? Not a chance. Like I said, leftists were ahead by ten goals at the end of the last quarter but they wanted to play extra time, and they blew it. They ******* blew it!



It means I find it ironic that black people have the "privilege" of having crimes committed against them by other races taken more seriously (much, much, much more seriously) than crimes they commit against non-black people. That's one helluva "privilege".

Why do the grievances of blacks take precedence over those of other races?

The real disturbing issue in America is that black on black homicides is a far more pressing problem, one that holds back the African American community more than any other single discriminatory practise in the states. They, unfortunately, kill themselves from within and until that changes it’s going to be extremely hard for any Government to enforce legitimate and sustained change.

As I said, it needs to start with opportunity and education in lost urban areas of America, so many below the line black communities are forgotten, it’s a bloody shame. These kids need access to good schooling, mentorship and a journey that leads away from gang life and drugs.

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/centers/wiener/programs/pcj/files/PoliceandPublicDiscourseBlackonBlackViolence.pdf

 

[takethepowerback]

Let's say it's true that the police "racially profile" blacks more than others. Why do you think that is? Do you think that it's because, aaaaah I don't know, blacks are disproportionately represented when it comes to crime?

The same way that, aaaaaaaaaaaaah I don't know, blacks are disproportionately represented when it comes to playing basketball, and so the average person could be forgiven for thinking that the average black person might be more gifted in playing basketball than a non-black person?



I think most people form their views/opinions based on their personality type. The Myers-Briggs test, IMO, is a very good method for explaining your personality and preferences. Those on the right tend to use logic/facts, and those on the left tend to form opinions based on their feelings. Countless people have stated this over and over again. Even AOC stated, "I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." Those on the left might agree with this, but many on the right were completely flabbergasted that she could actually say such a thing.

Of course, it never occurred to her that what she perceives to be "morally right" is downright stupid or actually immoral to those diametrically opposed to her point of view.

In terms of these "bubbles" I keep referring to, I just happened to follow a few left-leaning individuals for non-political reasons, who then chose to voice their opinions on political matters, and it was amazing to me see what a completely different reality they lived in, and there was absolutely no, zero, none, zilch, nada chance of convincing them otherwise (and the same goes the other way).



Yes, and I think it's fair to say the whole act of engaging in protests has been completely counter-productive. Innocent lives/livelihoods have been destroyed (including, as you say, those of blacks/minorities) and many on the right who were willing to finally accept that blacks were unfairly treated by the police now look on in disgust at what is happening.

Think about it. Right-wing folks used to mock and make fun of Kapernick and his "take a knee" stunt. After what happened to Floyd, they were finally willing to step back and say, yes, maybe Kapernick had a point. But after these riots? Not a chance. Like I said, leftists were ahead by ten goals at the end of the last quarter but they wanted to play extra time, and they blew it. They ******* blew it!



It means I find it ironic that black people have the "privilege" of having crimes committed against them by other races taken more seriously (much, much, much more seriously) than crimes they commit against non-black people. That's one helluva "privilege".

Why do the grievances of blacks take precedence over those of other races?

And you tell me, why would blacks be over represented in crime?

I wonder if it’s connected to 200 or so years of oppression and continuing systemic racism that contributes to poverty and inequality among blacks, or that they’re more often harassed and confronted by police..

Or why do you think so? Enlighten me

 

[Brad Goodman]

I'm done. Like I said, there's no way to convince or change the minds of anyone who already firmly believes what they believe in while living in their "bubble" or "echo chamber". It's a waste of time.

That said, I can't guarantee I won't (in the not-too-distant future) be engaging in one of my trademark rants (typically while under the influence of alcohol) that will likely get me threadbanned.

Please do, of all the mental instability displayed by posters here yours is by far the most entertaining.

Myers-Briggs has no scientific credibility, by the way.

 

[CatFan79]

And you tell me, why would blacks be over represented in crime?

I wonder if it’s connected to 200 or so years of oppression and continuing systemic racism that contributes to poverty and inequality among blacks, or that they’re more often harassed and confronted by police..

Or why do you think so? Enlighten me

I think claiming widespread racism and oppression in western society is a stretch.

There are social and cultural factors that are overwhelmingly more important such as family breakdown, lack of education, poor role models..

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I think claiming widespread racism and oppression in western society is a stretch.

There are social and cultural factors that are overwhelmingly more important such as family breakdown, lack of education, poor role models..

So you don't get out or read much then?

As far education and role models goes I agree, ignorance among many is very strong as you so well demonstrate

 

[Snake_Baker]

..........ignorance among many is very strong................

Alternatively, perhaps you are a neurotic with a messianic complex?

 

[CatFan79]

As far education and role models goes I agree, ignorance among many is very strong as you so well demonstrate

While you're comfy up on your soap box (and not slumming it in downtown LA) with all your knowledge, morality and empathy...

What's your solution genius?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

While you're comfy up on your soap box (and not slumming it in downtown LA) with all your knowledge, morality and empathy...

What's your solution genius?

Simple

Change

 

[Marcel Proust]

Post them.

I am not on the police side, not sure why you're pushing a point that I am not arguing. I will call out BS though, and your comments were inherently wrong regarding looters.

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I don't really enjoy videos of people dying / badly hurt so it's not really something I would want to do.

I'm not quite sure how you need assistance if you've had access to the internet

I don't think I am wrong, I expect looting is a much smaller issue in the grand scheme than you , the lamestream media and your Facebook mates reckon

 

[Kram]

Simple

Change

 

[CatFan79]

Simple

Change

Calling people ignorant, professing you know the source of all the problems but with absolutely no idea how to address them...

What I expected, delusional.

 

[tige19]

Simple

Change

Are you floundering social distancing measures that have ruined livelihoods and businesses to go protest and march tomorrow?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Post them.



I am not on the police side, not sure why you're pushing a point that I am not arguing. I will call out BS though, and your comments were inherently wrong regarding looters.

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[tige19]

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I don't really enjoy videos of people dying / badly hurt so it's not really something I would want to do.

I'm not quite sure how you need assistance if you've had access to the internet

I don't think I am wrong, I expect looting is a much smaller issue in the grand scheme than you , the lamestream media and your Facebook mates reckon

You were trying to ram a point home to me about police, but you ignore the fact I don’t agree with the police actions, I think the way they treat African Americans is horrid, but it’s not just that sect it’s the whole community they’re meant to serve.

Looting is an issue, violence is an issue, killing police officers and business owners is an issue and it’s directly related to the protests. The message gets bastardised and lost once this happens, it’s not right.

 

[tige19]

Interesting perspective from an African American.

 

[tige19]

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I don’t get what you’re trying to prove? I am with you on police behaviour? Or are you just sharing a video for knowledge?

 

[Doss]

Some pretty unsavoury things now coming to light about McMichael's attitudes - social media posts apparently fairly liberal with use of the n word, for example.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I don’t get what you’re trying to prove? I am with you on police behaviour? Or are you just sharing a video for knowledge?

I thought you asked for videos of the police bashing people for not looting?

Maybe I misread or misremembering

 

[Marcel Proust]

Not looting

 

[tige19]

Pieces of shit, no excuse for that behaviour on an elderly man, this makes me sick... I hope he is ok, do we know?

 

[ShanDog]

Pieces of shit, no excuse for that behaviour on an elderly man, this makes me sick... I hope he is ok, do we know?

Stable but critical. There's no way they intended that to happen IMO.

The two cops have been suspended too.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

What the **** is the old man doing. Why the hell would you encroach on a police officers personal space at a tense time like this and how does he just fall that easy?

 

[HairyO]

That he died in hospital and no mention that he was asphyxiated and killed at the scene. It was the first report to be released, it was bullsh#t hence the another report was ordered.

Death is pronounced by a doctor. At a hospital generally.

 

[LittleG]

Trump has declared war on Free Speech.... is free speech important?


How does it relate to this thread:

Scott Michaelman, the legal director for the ACLU of the District of Columbia, said: “The president’s shameless, unconstitutional, unprovoked and frankly criminal attack on protesters because he disagreed with their views shakes the foundation of our nation’s constitutional order.

“And when the nation’s top law enforcement officer becomes complicit in the tactics of an autocrat, it chills protected speech for all of us.”


There is no defence for attacking peaceful protesters.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Stable but critical. There's no way they intended that to happen IMO.

The two cops have been suspended too.

They looked pretty pleased with themselves.