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Barry_Badrinath said:
Kreuzer's on big money at Carlton, he would demand at least 500k to move over. He's not worth that sort of money, especially with his injuries.
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Don't think he could expect 500K given his body issues. Doubt Carlton would offer 500K.

Think 300-400 for a couple of years and see what happens. If his body gets right then can be upgraded.

Carlton will want draft picks not Kruzeur on big money IMO.

Have to remember Krezeur has been in the system for a while for not many games. His role has not yet been defined. Carlton saw him as a forward, then wanted him ruck then a combination. Nothing has really been secured in terms of Krezuer's overall consistent impact.

A number of clubs simply will not risk it with Kruzeur IMO. Frankly for Carlton they really are not in a situation to risk it looking well ahead now.


The reason I like Krezeur apart from the Cotch angle and in Melbourne is at value if he can get up he theoretically could suit us. He could play FF leading why JR in the pocket doing what JR does so it will not upset JR. Young McKenzie can help FF when Krezeur is in the Ruck and McKenzie can help FB when Krezeur FF. Griffiths can ruck and play closer to half forward so no issue there.

For me Krezeur is more proven as a ruck and FF than TV. TV is more a ruck forward without a real role. But Krezuer you can actually define where he would play positionally to blend with the team set up. I think Krezeur could really be a missing key which is why I am interested in him apart from FA option
 
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Mr Magic said:
Don't think he could expect 500K given his body issues. Doubt Carlton would offer 500K.

Think 300-400 for a couple of years and see what happens. If his body gets right then can be upgraded.

Carlton will want draft picks not Kruzeur on big money IMO.

Have to remember Krezeur has been in the system for a while for not many games. His role has not yet been defined. Carlton saw him as a forward, then wanted him ruck then a combination. Nothing has really been secured in terms of Krezuer's overall consistent impact.

A number of clubs simply will not risk it with Kruzeur IMO. Frankly for Carlton they really are not in a situation to risk it looking well ahead now.


The reason I like Krezeur apart from the Cotch angle and in Melbourne is at value if he can get up he theoretically could suit us. He could play FF leading why JR in the pocket doing what JR does so it will not upset JR. Young McKenzie can help FF when Krezeur is in the Ruck and McKenzie can help FB when Krezeur FF. Griffiths can ruck and play closer to half forward so no issue there.

For me Krezeur is more proven as a ruck and FF than TV. TV is more a ruck forward without a real role. But Krezuer you can actually define where he would play positionally to blend with the team set up. I think Krezeur could really be a missing key which is why I am interested in him apart from FA option
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Now they are rebuilding they are going to have plenty of money in the short term, with few stars worth jack shit.
 

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NZ_Tiger said:
Now they are rebuilding they are going to have plenty of money in the short term, with few stars worth jack shit.
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Agree, but throwing money at Krezeur is not in their interest IMO.

Say Krezeur plays on for Carlton and gets injured for good. They lose.

Say Krezeur plays on and contributes. what have they actually gained? Not a lot IMO because he is now under contract so less clubs will want him as he costs more. He is also older and the body issues remain.

The trouble is the body issues mean any upside with Kruzeur is now minimises due to body risk and other synergy matters.

So Carlton, IMO, have little to gain keeping Krezeur frankly. Bearing in mind the longer they have him the older he gets and the less chance for further upside as well.

Carlton better off throwing money at a young Boyd type IMO and promising the world down the track and saying in 7 years we will be contending etc... Eg a Tom Mitchell or whoever. With the SOS connection probably eyeing off GWS talent no doubt!
 
Stylo said:
Apparently Dan Hannebury is selling his house in Bondi... Jussayin
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Could mean anything.

Sydney property market is insane. Hannerbery probably did well selling to a offshore asian buyer.

But on a more relevant note the possibly of Swans players doing a Mumford is easily possible.

Sydney are not guaranteed of premierships even with Buddy. Mitchell cannot get a game could easily go to GWS likewise others like Hannerbery.

I have been thinking about this , reading the odd article on line about rumours, pressures, for GWS, Gold Coast and other clubs interest particularly from Victoria regarding GWS.

RFC getting Shiel is a smarter option than a Swan player. He is simply younger and the connection is stronger. Fills a need better to for us. Another option is WHE


Mind you Dan Hannerbery a FA target in what 2016? Hannerbery easily may want to leave end of 2016 as Swans getting older. Interesting because GWS might target Hannerbery via FA to.
 
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sante said:
Why get Kreuzer? May as well stick with Tyrone
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I suppose the argument is, based on opportunity, TV is just bad and Krezeur has been unlucky.

I guess with Kruezeur the club could only offer a 2 year or so contract at reasonable value. If he fails due to injury let him go and get another via FA. We can afford to do it with Hampson back up and Griffiths supporting with Maric. Probably will not win a premiership in the 2 years anyway so not a bad play.

As far as TV is concerned, as Dunstall put in I think on the couch earlier in the season, same conversation, at some point you have to cut your losses. I agree with that it general. Some like McIntosh can have issues with injury, others like Rance take a bit longer to develop but guys like TV, honestly have not shown a lot at all and really should be moved on IMO. This year should be last year at RFC IMO unless real improvement shown Frankly I am sick of the same bloody conversation about him year in year out. If another club gets lucky with him good luck to them. Schultz shown far more for us than TV ever has!!!
 
Whilst i would love for Hannebery to come to richmond i think its impossible for him to leave sydney even if he wanted to.

Just think about it this way , say you were him and wanted to come back to melbourne you would want to come back to a team of your choice and while you are moving would want to get as much coin as you could possibly get and that would mean waiting until you are a FA which i believe he is at the end of 2016

You would have to think he would wait out another year and see which team fits your needs and is prepared to pay what you would be happy with and my estimation would be $700k+

I personally would be looking to trade out some players like Conca,Vickery,Grimes,Grigg to make room for players like Dangerfield & Hannerbery and minimise the risk of them leaving when they are Fa's
 
THE_GUN said:
Whilst i would love for Hannebery to come to richmond i think its impossible for him to leave sydney even if he wanted to.

Just think about it this way , say you were him and wanted to come back to melbourne you would want to come back to a team of your choice and while you are moving would want to get as much coin as you could possibly get and that would mean waiting until you are a FA which i believe he is at the end of 2016

You would have to think he would wait out another year and see which team fits your needs and is prepared to pay what you would be happy with and my estimation would be $700k+

I personally would be looking to trade out some players like Conca,Vickery,Grimes,Grigg to make room for players like Dangerfield & Hannerbery and minimise the risk of them leaving when they are Fa's
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The risk you speak of is minimal as is the currency IMO. I think Hannerbery easily go to GWS as a FA as Swans start to dip and GWS rise tbh.

In this way, probably better off getting Shiel, GWS take the pick compo or whatever and get Hannerbery end of 2016. Everyone happy.


Interesting to see what you could get for Vickery, Grimes and Grigg.

Conca, just needs to get fit for starters. Seriously if we can't get him to apply himself be interesting to see what he could attract elsewhere
 

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I hope the club avoids Hannebury like the plague.

One of the bigger party animals going around. Rates himself very highly too. Would be a shocking addition to the chemistry of the clubhouse.
 
The Shank said:
I hope the club avoids Hannebury like the plague.

One of the bigger party animals going around. Rates himself very highly too. Would be a shocking addition to the chemistry of the clubhouse.
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I got shot down big time for saying the same thing last year mate.
 

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"The Roar Is Back" said:
Ben Cousins likes a party to Magic .
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He was cheaper than Hannebery and we are getting closer to our window now so need to be smarter and a bit more selective IMO.

To be fair the Cousin's selection had other priorities at the time not relevant now IMO such as marketing etc...
 
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Mr Magic said:
He was cheaper than Hannebery and we are getting closer to our window now so need to be smarter and a bit more selective IMO.

To be fair the Cousin's selection had other priorities at the time not relevant now IMO such as marketing etc...
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Hannebery's partying is about as well known as Cousins, was the point I was making .
 
"The Roar Is Back" said:
Hannebery's partying is about as well known as Cousins, was the point I was making .
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not to me at the black stump.

Nor did I know Cousins was not of drugs or whatever,

Who knows for sure anyway.

It just highlights to me Swans is about Cola, Cola and more Cola..

Cousins we got on the cheap though, and could have dumped him whenever at minimal fuss. For all we know Cousins might have been legit while at Tigerland
 
Mr Magic said:
This is what I would do end of year.

Get Kruzeur via FA. Don't pay too much for him but a reasonable amount. Cotch's mate if warranted can get upgraded extend contract later. If he can't get up, he can't get up we chase someone else later. That is okay we have time as still building


Get Touhy for no more than a 3rd rounder or later if part of another trade. Carlton might take TV if it suits us as gives them a target while they dip not affecting their ladder results. If TV does not improve this year move him on

Touhy can also be a benchmark for Conca's performance. If Conca does not shape up he gets moved on. Tuohy allows Vlastuin to play in the guts more

Then I would target Jimmy Bartel as a FA. I know, old as but would be like a Chapman scenario. He supporter RFC in youth like Hunt, an assistant coach might be an opportunity at the end but he gives us experience and the tall ruck rover we missed for the last 20 years temporarily. Bartel might play for a year, lucky to be 2, who knows, we argue premiership tilt and see what happens, might get rejuvenated and his role be specific in the guts etc.. until longer term replacement targeted. Geelong is finished for now so he is probably looking for a sea change/freshener anyway a little bit before retirement. If he gets in a role not requiring high end pace who knows with Jimmy. I never doubt Jimmy if in the right role and environment.

Still not sure if we should get Shiel or not, depends on draft possibilities I guess but I would not pay the world for him as still inconsistent atm. We could get substitutes like Murphy later via FA for example. If we got Shiel would not be the worst option or Hoskin Elliot

The idea getting these players is we actually have a crack at the 2016 premiership. We might not get there but at least we find out who we really got and how we need to improve. If we get the likes of Shiel and or Tuohy it strengthens us mid term anyway as well as Kruzeuer assuming he gets fit.

It gives us the chance to build further later. Eg. we might chase a David Myers in the 2016 FA period or someone better later to give us the longer term ingredients we need if we cannot find them in the draft. But it fixes up a few holes at least to make us genuinely more competitive and balanced on the footy field.

If we did this then we start to get talked about more seriously as premiership possibilities in terms of a list actually capable if stars align of threatening for the premiership. It also gets the team playing proper structured premiership football that sets off radars. This gets the attention of other quality players seeking greener pastures particularly if the youth component is there.
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