List Mgmt. Blair Hartley Project 2015

[Tzatziki_Man]

Shiel, stats wise, is no different to Shaun Grigg. Would you be happy paying Grigg $500,000?

Shiel is a rich man's Shaun Grigg.

This is why I can't bring myself to read the Richmond board often enough. I can't comprehend the lunacy of this post.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Shiel offers a lot of speed out of the stoppage, something we lack.

 

[Tiger71]

This is why I can't bring myself to read the Richmond board often enough. I can't comprehend the lunacy of this post.

Hey Undertaker, dont let tigs2010 and Tigerbob posting drive you away mate

 

[TigerTime88]

Shiel is not a free agent. We'd have to give something up for him. GWS would probably want our first rounder. Something I would be quite unwilling to part with, as I'm of the mindset you shouldn't trade first rounders (Unless it is for a genuinely fantastic player). Suckling, on the other hand is a Free Agent, so we either force Hawthorn to pay more to keep him by having them match our offer, or he comes to us, and no picks have been exchanged. Targeting Suckling, at this stage is a safer option than Shiel, in my opinion.

Have to question your footballing knowledge if you consider Shiel and Grigg similar players. Shiel is an explosive athlete whose best work is done bursting away from stoppages. He is more skillful than Grigg even if his DE doesn't suggest...most of his possesions are under pressure. His a clearance player who can win footy outside with elite speed and goal sense.

Grigg is not a bad player but they are nothing alike.

If we got Shiel for say pick 12 I would do cartwheels. Shiel will need more than that the kid is a dead set gun and would make our midfield so much better.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Would be a shocking addition to the chemistry of the clubhouse.

Golf forum that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

At what price are we paying Shiel though? If the rumours of 500-550,000 are accurate, I'd rather look at Tom Mitchell.

On what basis?Can't be on exposed AFL form.

 

[Stylo]

I'd go:
Vickery > Yarran
1st pick > Hannebery
FA: Kreuzer

Yarran is someone i'd love to have in our side partnering Houli, if you tag one the other gets off the chain, would be a huge weapon for us. Probably has the same market value as Vickery which might sound silly but with how much talls are worth and spuds like Stanley going for pick 21 it might not be too far off the mark.
Hannebery is a tad underrated I reckon for a bloke who should have won a Norm Smith and is only 24, just 2 years older than Shiel. I think he's easily a better player at the moment and Shiel will have to be bloody good to go past him at all. I'm sure the club would be all over his off-field behaviour and if its deemed not an issue i'd love to see us have a real crack at him, for some reason I think we could get him for less than Shiel, although we may need to chuck in something else alongside our first pick
Think we could get Kreuzer on the cheap given his injury troubles, and his potential upside if we can get him right is enormous. At worst he is excellent depth for Maric who might not go on for too much longer but he's also a competent forward so you could try the 3 talls again, certainly doable a lot of teams run with it

Think that's certainly doable from a money perspective, when you factor in the "war chest" along with Vickery and Conca and guys like Newman, Foley and Knights all probably in their last year. Would certainly improve our best 22, imagine running out round 1 2016 with a team like this:

B: Batchelor, Astbury, Chaplin
HB: Houli, Rance, Yarran
C: Ellis, Cotchin, Vlastuin
HF: Martin, Griffiths, Deledio
F: Edwards, Reiwoldt, Kreuzer
R: Maric, Miles, Hannebery
I: Lennon, McIntosh, Conca, C.Ellis

I like it, but I reckon Yarran and Hannebury would both be more expensive than that.

Sheessshh look at that forward line though. Three top 3 picks, a dual coleman medallist, fastest hands in the league and Big Ben Griffiths.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Don't want Yarran. A silky turnover is still a turnover.

 

[sante]

Don't want Yarran. A silky turnover is still a turnover.

And a thug

 

[Tigerbob]

Hey Undertaker, dont let tigs2010 and Tigerbob posting drive you away mate

My posting brings all the boys to the yard and there like, it's better than yours.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Foley / Knights / Newman on a combined wage of a million? Surely not.

 

[Morro]

Foley / Knights / Newman on a combined wage of a million? Surely not.

I would saybetween 800-900 at a guess.

KNights was on $250 I believe
Foley would be on $300 I reckon
Newy on 300-350 probably

Obviously all guesses but isnt the min/av wage close to 200-250?

 

[Tiger71]

I would saybetween 800-900 at a guess.

KNights was on $250 I believe
Foley would be on $300 I reckon
Newy on 300-350 probably

Obviously all guesses but isnt the min/av wage close to 200-250?

I wish from what i heard Foley was just on 300k, I heard he was on a lot more. When Foley retires/delisted he will free up a good chunk of cap space.

 

[Morro]

I wish from what i heard Foley was just on 300k. When Foley retires/delisted he will free up a good chunk of cap space.

Isnt that what I said

 

[Tiger71]

Isnt that what I said

Haha sorry have edited my post. I should have said A Lot more then 300k as if i remember the goss at the time, it was one of those panic signings we used to do when we thought we may lose him. Like the Ben Holland scenario ( thanks spud!)

 

[Coxy_]

This is why I can't bring myself to read the Richmond board often enough. I can't comprehend the lunacy of this post.

Amen.

 

[THE_GUN]

Just out of interest if Foley/Knights and Newman were all to retire at the end of the year how much cap space would that free up?

Would've thought it would be a decent amount...

With the supposed 'war chest' could have a strong hand for FA

enough to pay dangerfield

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Foley / Knights / Newman on a combined wage of a million? Surely not.

Foley was signed on a 3 year deal back in 2012 (before Dan Richardson showed up and righted the ship). This was back when he was still a quality but injury prone player. From what I've heard he's on close to $500k a year.

Newman would be on 300-350k and at a guess I would put Knights at about 250k, but that's not really based on much at all. They would be on roughly a million between them.

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Reading last few pages I am now of the understanding that if we let some of the older folk go than we would potentially have 2 war chests.

 

[Calcium Man]

Yep have heard that foley is 400k plus too. Will be good to dump that contract.

 

[Cevap_Roll]

I wonder which club has the most expensive VFL players.

We would be up there.

 

[DrMike]

Foley and Newman both have over 100k outside the cap as Vets

 

[theflea]

Shiel, stats wise, is no different to Shaun Grigg. Would you be happy paying Grigg $500,000?

What I'm trying to say is you don't spend big money like that on Vanilla-ish players. There's a reason why players like Lids, Dusty, Dangerfield, Selwood, Sloane, Swan, Fyfe etc all earn big dollars. The reason being is they are damaging. Shiel, for all of his strengths, is not a damaging player.

Shiel is a rich man's Shaun Grigg.

And all of those players you have mentioned aren't on 500k. They are on 700k plus or close to it and gaining.

 

[theflea]

At what price are we paying Shiel though? If the rumours of 500-550,000 are accurate, I'd rather look at Tom Mitchell.

Mtich would be good, but he also isn't as good a kick and is a lot slower. Both have attributes good and bad, for around the same money and would be good for us.

 

[theflea]

I am also for maintaining our draft picks but we have a young list once you take out the older players who i believe are not integral to our team going foward and the players im talking about are Knights,Hampson,Foley,Newman,Thomas,Chaplin which leaves Delidio as our oldest integral player

I have also mentioned on many occasions that i believe our foward line and backs are good enough to be top 4 and challenging for a flag but our weak area is our midfield as it doesnt run deep enough with A grade to Elite mids and we are 2 A graders short and need to bring them in whilst we are on the fringe
some say that the juniors could become that but our window will be 2016-2020/21 and have to strike now to get these "2 elite/A grade mids into our team

Shiel/Hannerbery/Dangerfield/Prestia/Shuey/Aish/Sloan/WHE etc are the players that are young enough and are good enough to get us to the next level
Hawthorn are the perfect example of a team that knows what they need and are prepared to pay up same as Sydney

We now have to start really opening up the cheque book and getting these players to the club now that all but 1 of our most important players have been signed up. sure we will lose 1 or maybe 2 players along the way but we will maintain and keep the integral players at the club as they have just about all signed up

Snap. We had to fortify our baseline first rounders, as we had no base talent. We have done this for a while now, and are ready to trade a good talent in without compromising the over all goal.