Blake vs Mumford

[Gogeelong]

Will be a great test for both rucks
Mumford was let go so that we could keep Blake
Both will be in the spotlight

Mumford will have a more impact around the ground and Blake may get a few more tap outs.
I predict that Mumford will win on the day

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

no comment.
no comment.
no comment.
statistics will be honest, and then in will come the spin

PS don't forget a ruckman is there to do taps nothing else, cheap possies are meaningless

 

[Gladbaqs]

Mumford was let go so that we could keep Blake

I'd describe that statement as wildly historically misrepresentative.

Neil Balme strongly stated on radio last year that of course Geelong wanted to keep both players. And that there was absolutely no mention within the club of one versus the other.

Blake is still in Geelong's team because he's good enough to play as second ruckman and not good enough to be poached.

 

[Vdubs]

2 years ago Blake completely dominated Hille at Telstra dome. Similar player to Mummy. I think Blake will thrive on being #1 this week and will play an influential game. His hitouts give our mids first use quite often, and his pride will not let Mummy dominate him around the ground.

Bomber has talked this clash up and says it'll be good to watch.

 

[thrillhouse]

Will be a great test for both rucks
Mumford was let go so that we could keep Blake
Both will be in the spotlight

Mumford will have a more impact around the ground and Blake may get a few more tap outs.
I predict that Mumford will win on the day

I'm not a fan of Forrest Blake but I'm actually hoping he does well this week. It would be good to see him prove himself with the responsibilities. Now is his chance to prove to us that he can do it. Good luck to him. As for Mumford....not worth wasting my fingers with typing.

 

[rocker_oz33]

should be a cracking contest Blake to win the taps,mummy to get abit of the pill if the swans bottle things up the cats mids will have to work there arsses of.still more worried about there run of half back.

 

[candiehappy]

no comment.
no comment.
no comment.
statistics will be honest, and then in will come the spin

PS don't forget a ruckman is there to do taps nothing else, cheap possies are meaningless[/quote]


I remember being at the H&A game against the Saints last year, and in the dying moments their ruckman ....

 

[SJ]

I remember being at the H&A game against the Saints last year, and in the dying moments their ruckman ....

If only Blake had started on, maybe we wouldn't have been smashed in the middle early and five goals down before we could blink.

 

[candiehappy]

If only Blake had started on, maybe we wouldn't have been smashed in the middle early and five goals down before we could blink.

maybe,

but my point is that you do want a ruckman to do more than just tap out. What makes Otto better than Blake? He's a forward option, and marking option around the ground.

I'm not anti Blake, but I don't think that jsut getting tap outs is enough. Makes him redundant against Sandilands!

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

no comment.
no comment.
no comment.
statistics will be honest, and then in will come the spin

PS don't forget a ruckman is there to do taps nothing else, cheap possies are meaningless[/quote]


I remember being at the H&A game against the Saints last year, and in the dying moments their ruckman ....

i remember that too

but you need to realise he didn't do well at tap tap tapping

 

[TheMightyAchilles]

I'm not a fan of Forrest Blake .

i think you stuffed up trying to be funny

 

[SJ]

maybe,

but my point is that you do want a ruckman to do more than just tap out. What makes Otto better than Blake? He's a forward option, and marking option around the ground.

I'm not anti Blake, but I don't think that just getting tap outs is enough. Makes him redundant against Sandilands!

But Sandilands is the best ruckman in the competition, and if you unfairly compare every player like this you will almost always be disappointed.

It is like saying that Rutten playing purely as a stopper 'isn't enough', since Scarlett can negate and provide run as well. It is like saying that Cross playing inside and feeding his teammates 'isn't enough', since Ablett does the same plus damages the scoreboard. These players may not have the complete package, but playing their role they can be very effective and crucial to their side's performance.

There are approximately 700 players in the competition, the best team will not have the best player in every role. I think we have been recently spoiled by having such a bunch of top-liners. Good, handy players who do their job are just as critical in a team's performance.

 

[candiehappy]

fair call, and I follow what you are saying. But in the comparison of Blake v Mumford I think that Mumford will be offering something more than Blake is showing at the moment.

If Blake wants to be secure in his spot in the team he needs to do more around the ground IMO

A bit like last yearsGF, he might feel that he has something to prove this weekend

 

[vinum coupe]

i think you stuffed up trying to be funny

No, I think he actually thought we called blake forrest

 

[SJ]

fair call, and I follow what you are saying. But in the comparison of Blake v Mumford I think that Mumford will be offering something more than Blake is showing at the moment.

If Blake wants to be secure in his spot in the team he needs to do more around the ground IMO

A bit like last yearsGF, he might feel that he has something to prove this weekend

I feel Blake will offer something that Mumford won't, something which we employ him for, which is winning the hitouts to advantage and setting up our game.

I'll leave the handy around-the-ground stuff to the other 20 players we have, who are pretty damn good at it.

 

[ant0s]

But Sandilands is the best ruckman in the competition, and if you unfairly compare every player like this you will almost always be disappointed.

It is like saying that Rutten playing purely as a stopper 'isn't enough', since Scarlett can negate and provide run as well. It is like saying that Cross playing inside and feeding his teammates 'isn't enough', since Ablett does the same plus damages the scoreboard. These players may not have the complete package, but playing their role they can be very effective and crucial to their side's performance.

There are approximately 700 players in the competition, the best team will not have the best player in every role. I think we have been recently spoiled by having such a bunch of top-liners. Good, handy players who do their job are just as critical in a team's performance.

At lower levels this is acceptable, but not anymore at AFL level.

I see where your coming from STHDJ, but when your tackling pressure, 2nd/3rd efforts around the contest are close to non-existent, in addition to have extremely poor disposal by foot, in today's modern game I think this is sub-standard for an AFL player, regardless of his acceptable tap work.

 

[vinum coupe]

It will be interesting for sure. Won't prove anything. But it will give some people here a topic to bash heads for a few months.

I wonder who used to win the rucking duels in practice?

And Blake is a fair bit bigger than last year, and Mummy would be stronger also with another preseason.

 

[SJ]

At lower levels this is acceptable, but not anymore at AFL level.

I see where your coming from STHDJ, but when your tackling pressure, 2nd/3rd efforts around the contest are close to non-existent, in addition to have extremely poor disposal by foot, in today's modern game I think this is sub-standard for an AFL player, regardless of his acceptable tap work.

Saw a fair bit of pressure applied on the weekend from the big fella.

Also have no issue with his disposal, although he usually goes by hand he has a decent drop punt over 30 metres or so and usually hits the target. Do not remember the last time a Blake possession resulted in a turnover.

I can tell you that right now Hawthorn are desperate for a bit of "acceptable tap work", and would happily sacrifice a bit of handy around-the-ground work to get first use of the footy in the centre.

 

[vinum coupe]

At lower levels this is acceptable, but not anymore at AFL level.

I see where your coming from STHDJ, but when your tackling pressure, 2nd/3rd efforts around the contest are close to non-existent, in addition to have extremely poor disposal by foot, in today's modern game I think this is sub-standard for an AFL player, regardless of his acceptable tap work.

And there you go. See have an 'almost' opposite view.

I think the ruckman that wins taps is becoming more important than a big guy that can fill a hole between FF and CHF.

It's just getting too quick now.

Disposal and tackling/ guarding space I agree with you, and it's nice to have a guy that can go forward. But I just don't see it as vital.

 

[vinum coupe]

Do not remember the last time a Blake possession resulted in a turnover.

The forward tumbling kick from the back flank (olympic stand) against carlton, that missed wojo and went out of bounds was a good example of crap. As was his kick for goal v Port.

He probably should just put it on the ground and soccer it to be honest

As for handball he is fine. doesn't appear to give it off like a hot potato to a bad target. That is made easier however by having one GAJ standing behind you.

 

[ant0s]

Another way of looking at it would be - would Andrew Dunkley still get a game at AFL level 10 yrs on? I honestly don't think so.

OK, he is was good stopper, but if he can't kick a drop punt, he then cannot set up play effectively (which 10 yrs on is pretty important) and as such, weak disposal becomes a liability under finals-type pressure. Kicking needs to be effective every time for a back-man, especially with teams zoning/corralling, the room for error is so small.

So, when you look at Blake, sure his tap/clearance work is better than Mumford (as we saw last year), but the overall package of Mumford is at least equal now to Blake, and soon to pass very easily.

 

[ant0s]

Saw a fair bit of pressure applied on the weekend from the big fella.

Also have no issue with his disposal, although he usually goes by hand he has a decent drop punt over 30 metres or so and usually hits the target. Do not remember the last time a Blake possession resulted in a turnover.

I can tell you that right now Hawthorn are desperate for a bit of "acceptable tap work", and would happily sacrifice a bit of handy around-the-ground work to get first use of the footy in the centre.

I think success has made me a bit greedy

 

[SJ]

The forward tumbling kick from the back flank (olympic stand) that missed wojo and went out of bounds was a good example of crap. As was his kick for goal v Port.

He probably should just put it on the ground a soccer it to be honest

As for handball he is fine. doesn't appear to give it off like a hot potato to a bad target. That is made easier however by having one GAJ standing behind you.

Knew you would bring up that one. Was under a bit of pressure on the boundary line, miss hit it and it went out of bounds. Hardly the first player to do similar.

As for the shot for goal, are the rest of our team sharpshooters?

I am not saying that all these skills are not desirable - I'd love to have a ruckman with the full package. But really there are only a couple in the league, and his work around-the-ground is of lesser importance than any other player at the club.

 

[Selective Retention]

Top of the table v last year's premiers and we are debating a contest between basically the 22nd player picked for each side. Sigh.

 

[JUBJUB]

Mumford was let go so that we could keep Blake

What a load of bullcrap