Bluemour Discussion Thread XI - Facts Not Welcome

[Tommy Alvin]

Preparing myself for another trade period where we dont land a gun mature midfielder. Gaff, Shiel, Coniglio... I dont care. SOS better stop pulling his punches and get something done.

Yeah, SOS has been really s**t. Hasn’t he? Seriously man, get a grip.

TA

 

[FairKouta]

Preparing myself for another trade period where we dont land a gun mature midfielder. Gaff, Shiel, Coniglio... I dont care. SOS better stop pulling his punches and get something done.

We got curnow for Tommy bell mate. That alone should have you satisfied

 

[RudyBlue]

More fact than bluemour, we have a good trade / draft period and we aren't as far off as some may think.

Competition is so even now.

Our young mids (some we haven't even drafted) still need a few pre-seasons. That'll hold us back.

Weiters, Marchy, Charlie and Harry are all entering their 4th season or more. Very few excuses now, assuming no injury interruptions

 

[Brutalitops]

Yeah, SOS has been really s**t. Hasn’t he? Seriously man, get a grip.

TA

Where did I say he's been s**t? I want a gun mature midfielder signed this trade period and if our offer was nowhere near the Saints for Shiel i wanna know why. Whatever we tabled wasnt enough to lure him from GWS, at least at this stage, which would mean SOS pulled his punch. Make the Godfather offer already!

 

[Brutalitops]

We got curnow for Tommy bell mate. That alone should have you satisfied

But what has he done for me lately?

 

[gardiner stand]

Does anybody around here have a job or a family or something else to do,or even a life?
Geez it’s like we’re on hear 24/7!!
Am I talking to myself?

 

[FairKouta]

But what has he done for me lately?

Fair to say the trade period will do things to people

 

[FairKouta]

Does anybody around here have a job or a family or something else to do,or even a life?
Geez it’s like we’re on hear 24/7!!
Am I talking to myself?

Been here since now

 

[bluegrass]

In my fave Greek cafe in Somerville Road, Footscray - not rumour but curiousity: smoke from fire the other week has poisoned creeks and sickened locals - yet Up In Smoke restaurant across from me charges top dollar for smoked tucker - wtf? smoke is smoke..........eat it

Thy...throwin smoke again...

 

[Tommy Alvin]

Where did I say he's been s**t? I want a gun mature midfielder signed this trade period and if our offer was nowhere near the Saints for Shiel i wanna know why. Whatever we tabled wasnt enough to lure him from GWS, at least at this stage, which would mean SOS pulled his punch. Make the Godfather offer already!

Silvagni has put our recruiting back on track after a decade or more of poor list management. To do so, he has traded in and out over 40 players. From word go, he has stated that we would go to the draft to replenish the list for the first three years. He has unearthed immense talent. For the first time since he came home, he will start using our war chest to find players between the ages of 24 and 27 at the trade table. At no stage has he over paid a player and or brought in players with cultural issues. Case in point Rockliff. Port overpaid for his services and have already paid the price in terms of list management.

Obviously SOS has a plan and clear value system in regards to players. If he values Shiel at x amount and another team pay y then stiff bickies.

Basically, in SOS I trust and I am certain that he has and will bring in the right players at the right price.

TA

 

[Johnny James]

Does anybody around here have a job or a family or something else to do,or even a life?
Geez it’s like we’re on hear 24/7!!
Am I talking to myself?

No.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

No.

This.

 

[Brutalitops]

Silvagni has put our recruiting back on track after a decade or more of poor list management. To do so, he has traded in and out over 40 players. From word go, he has stated that we would go to the draft to replenish the list for the first three years. He has unearthed immense talent. For the first time since he came home, he will start using our war chest to find players between the ages of 24 and 27 at the trade table. At no stage has he over paid a player and or brought in players with cultural issues. Case in point Rockliff. Port overpaid for his services and have already paid the price in terms of list management.

Obviously SOS has a plan and clear value system in regards to players. If he values Shiel at x amount and another team pay y then stiff bickies.

Basically, in SOS I trust and I am certain that he has and will bring in the right players at the right price.

TA

Im just a bit toey is all. Im hoping that the salary dumps we've taken from GWS has put us in good stead and Im hoping we can put an offer to Shiel to change his mind. Both monetarily and contract length plus off field support like Judd having one on one sessions. I never wanted Rockliff. Hes always been a crab with zero hurt factor. I want Shiel.

 

[Tommy Alvin]

Im just a bit toey is all. Im hoping that the salary dumps we've taken from GWS has put us in good stead and Im hoping we can put an offer to Shiel to change his mind. Both monetarily and contract length plus off field support like Judd having one on one sessions. I never wanted Rockliff. Hes always been a crab with zero hurt factor. I want Shiel.

Fair enough. I am sure that in a few years time we will be grateful for our patience.

TA

 

[Bluey24]

Given it's a quiet weekend,

What will you consider a 'pass' mark (you can go first passmark) for the upcoming trade period?

- Keep pick 1
- Receive a PP good enough to get McGovern
- Setterfield for second-rounder
- Fasolo for nothing

I will be happy with that. Anything else is icing

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If true, hope it is a low enough pick help to get Shiel so we keep our first next season for a shot at Kelly, we already have pick 25 or so to use for McGovern.

I think if Shiel leaves and comes to us, and with a few more leaving as well Id suspect, whether retiring like Griffin or other trades and delistments, I reckon GWS will start looking at extending contracts and re-signing the likes of Kelly, Coniglio, Hopper, Haynes etc and avoid a big raid on their players in 2019 as much as they can. Just my take on it.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

I think if Shiel leaves and comes to us, and with a few more leaving as well Id suspect, whether retiring like Griffin or other trades and delistments, I reckon GWS will start looking at extending contracts and re-signing the likes of Kelly, Coniglio, Hopper, Haynes etc and avoid a big raid on their players in 2019 as much as they can. Just my take on it.

Well there is already suggestions that Finlayson, Shiel, Lobb, Setterfield will perhaps be traded.. maybe others too. If they were to happen, especially Shiel/Lobb, surely that would free up quite a bit for them.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Well said.
Would just love to see what he could produce with a full preseason under his belt.

I am struggling to buy into this argument. Personally, I just don't think he is going to be the player people are expecting him to be. He will be a nice piece but not much more IMO. Dow and Fisher are already ahead of him in my eyes. If Im proven wrong that's great, but I just don't see it right now.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Preparing myself for another trade period where we dont land a gun mature midfielder. Gaff, Shiel, Coniglio... I dont care. SOS better stop pulling his punches and get something done.

We got an absolute gun last year in Dow! Add Walsh this year and damn the future looks bright no matter what else happens during this offseason

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Where did I say he's been s**t? I want a gun mature midfielder signed this trade period and if our offer was nowhere near the Saints for Shiel i wanna know why. Whatever we tabled wasnt enough to lure him from GWS, at least at this stage, which would mean SOS pulled his punch. Make the Godfather offer already!

Godfather offers are a thing of the past. They can Gagf with old Carlton. Rubbish way to manage a list now.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Given it's a quiet weekend,

What will you consider a 'pass' mark (you can go first passmark) for the upcoming trade period?

- Keep pick 1
- Receive a PP good enough to get McGovern
- Setterfield for second-rounder
- Fasolo for nothing

I will be happy with that. Anything else is icing

Getting MM for free and Setterfield for huge unders would be a dream not a pass

 

[bmaurizio]

Does anybody around here have a job or a family or something else to do,or even a life?
Geez it’s like we’re on hear 24/7!!
Am I talking to myself?

True but we need a more

 

[BrownDog20]

Where did I say he's been s**t? I want a gun mature midfielder signed this trade period and if our offer was nowhere near the Saints for Shiel i wanna know why. Whatever we tabled wasnt enough to lure him from GWS, at least at this stage, which would mean SOS pulled his punch. Make the Godfather offer already!

Where has it been reported that our offer has not been good enough?

Has Shiel personally told you he won’t be coming to Carlton?

 

[Brutalitops]

We got an absolute gun last year in Dow! Add Walsh this year and damn the future looks bright no matter what else happens during this offseason

Not doubting Dow's talent, but our list are lambs to the slaughter right now. Walsh, and I do want him, isnt going to change that.

 

[blueballs99]

Yeah, SOS has been really s**t. Hasn’t he? Seriously man, get a grip.

TA

He has been good but did surprise us with additions of mullet ,oshea and shaw ..