Blues Draft Picks

[bluejoker]

Hello Gents,

Many people discussing how Carlton should trade picks for players at other clubs. I think we need to keep our draft picks.

We have already traded out good picks for Warnock and Mclean.

We will get some good currency for Jacobs, Walker should these guys leave, plus our picks this year we should bring more quality young talent.

Unless there is a crazy opportunity, I think we should stay well clear of guys like Tarrant.

Surely we learnt our lesson from 10 years ago. Draft picks are just too valuable. I do accept the draft will be weak this year due to the 17 years old taken by Gold coast, but if there are kids we believe we can get with our picks thats the direction we should go.

Thoughts?

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

Hello Gents,

Many people discussing how Carlton should trade picks for players at other clubs. I think we need to keep our draft picks.

We have already traded out good picks for Warnock and Mclean.

We will get some good currency for Jacobs, Walker should these guys leave, plus our picks this year we should bring more quality young talent.

Unless there is a crazy opportunity, I think we should stay well clear of guys like Tarrant.

Surely we learnt our lesson from 10 years ago. Draft picks are just too valuable. I do accept the draft will be weak this year due to the 17 years old taken by Gold coast, but if there are kids we believe we can get with our picks thats the direction we should go.

Thoughts?

Motion stated.

EDIT: I also don't want to hear the usual "Best Available" I want the team to draft for our needs this year - it is very critical we address these needs.

 

[BlueVision]

Hard to compare our recruiting strategy 10 years ago to this year.

10 years ago we had an aging roster that we were trying to "top up" to win flags, this time round we have a young developing group that could do with more veteran leadership.

If a veteran player is cheap enough and ticks the required boxes I say go for it.

 

[AlecDuncan]

As long as any tradee meets the 100-game rule, then I don't have any problems with trades as such.

 

[No1Suspect]

Motion stated.

EDIT: I also don't want to hear the usual "Best Available" I want the team to draft for our needs this year - it is very critical we address these needs.

This is exactly what they will do BBS... its WH mind set.... if there is a really good KPD available but there is also a really good mid who is only slightly better WH will get the mid....

As for landing more picks we dont have the balls to make some tough choices and move some players on.

Prove me wrong WH.

 

[true blue19]

just for the record 10 years ago we traded j. murphy to geelong and hamill to st kilda for draft pick and went into the draft with picks 4,11,15,31,46,61

 

[Sublime]

just for the record 10 years ago we traded j. murphy to geelong and hamill to st kilda for draft pick and went into the draft with picks 4,11,15,31,46,61

That must have resulted in a bumper haul for the Old Dark Navy Blues! Surely we'd have won at least premierships since then!

Oh wait...

 

[fbfpf]

Does anyone actually know what no. picks we have? I know our first is 18.

 

[Sin City]

Does anyone actually know what no. picks we have? I know our first is 18.

It'll still depend on whether clubs use any of their compensation picks this year or not.

 

[ESKIE]

Hello Gents,

Many people discussing how Carlton should trade picks for players at other clubs. I think we need to keep our draft picks.

We have already traded out good picks for Warnock and Mclean.

We will get some good currency for Jacobs, Walker should these guys leave, plus our picks this year we should bring more quality young talent.

Unless there is a crazy opportunity, I think we should stay well clear of guys like Tarrant.

Surely we learnt our lesson from 10 years ago. Draft picks are just too valuable. I do accept the draft will be weak this year due to the 17 years old taken by Gold coast, but if there are kids we believe we can get with our picks thats the direction we should go.

Thoughts?

Not all gents 'ere buddy....

See what's out there, will clubs play it conservative or will it be on for young and old....just get what we need and no-one too old or a hack thanks

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Trade for more/higher draft picks. Prioritize a KPD with our first pick then best available after that. Speculate on another ruck with our last pick/rookie draft.

No trading of picks for players unless it's daylight robbery.

 

[smashbox gill]

I just hope Matthew Watson slides to pick 18 but its highly unlikely. Big KPD in the Hurley mould who starred in this years U18 carnival. Already has an AFL frame as he stands at something like 196cm 98kg. The perfect pick up for us, however i think he will go in the top 10 as Hurley did.

 

[GibbsOnTheRun]

If we cannot agree to terms on a new contract with Jacobs, then we need to get the Jacobs for Knights trade done with Adelaide. For years now I think we've needed a small forward/midfielder who can kick the ball from well outside 50, and I think Knights would slot in nicely. NB: I think Yarran will be the player to slot them from long range from the right flank.

Agree that of the other rumored potential tradees, we're better off keeping our draft picks.

 

[Blue and Silver]

It is interesting that the debate of needs vs best available focuses on KPP vs midfielders.

Taking a look over our list a few things are prevalent.

We have talented young talls: L.Henderson, M.Jamison, P.Bower, M.Austin, M.Kreuzer, R.Warnock, S.Jacobs, S.Hampson, S.White

And some older talls, only one of whom is best 22: S.O'halpin, J.Waite, B.Thornton, B.Fisher

We have young midifelders: M.Murphy, B.Gibbs, S.Grigg, K.Lucas, M.Robinson, B.Mclean (arguably)

And a bunch of first 22 midfielders who will be declining in the next two years: C.Judd, A.Carrazzo, K.Simpson, H.Scotland, R.Hadley (without a fit Mclean)

I'd say that midfield depth is more important to our side then KPP depth. Not to say we shouldn't draft more/better KPP but that the best available/needs debate isn't midfield vs KPP.

For the record would love L.Cook or M. Watson at our first selection. But wouldn't mind M.Hallahan/B.Jacobs etc

 

[gbatman]

We should not trade for any one over 26, this doesn't fit us.

 

[blue healer]

It is interesting that the debate of needs vs best available focuses on KPP vs midfielders.

Taking a look over our list a few things are prevalent.

We have talented young talls: L.Henderson, M.Jamison, P.Bower, M.Austin, M.Kreuzer, R.Warnock, S.Jacobs, S.Hampson, S.White

And some older talls, only one of whom is best 22: S.O'halpin, J.Waite, B.Thornton, B.Fisher

We have young midifelders: M.Murphy, B.Gibbs, S.Grigg, K.Lucas, M.Robinson, B.Mclean (arguably)

And a bunch of first 22 midfielders who will be declining in the next two years: C.Judd, A.Carrazzo, K.Simpson, H.Scotland, R.Hadley (without a fit Mclean)

I'd say that midfield depth is more important to our side then KPP depth. Not to say we shouldn't draft more/better KPP but that the best available/needs debate isn't midfield vs KPP.

For the record would love L.Cook or M. Watson at our first selection. But wouldn't mind M.Hallahan/B.Jacobs etc

Beg to differ on quality talls. You name 13 and 4 of them are rucks.

If, as everyone expects, Jacobs, Thornton and Fisher go we are down to 10, 3 of whom are ruckmen.

Of the 7 remaining:

Austin is considered to be a great white hope but has played 14 games in 4 seasons, we are no wiser on his potential now than we were 12 months ago.

White is a champion on this board after a handful of games so, I think very much a wait and see.

Bower and Jamieson both struggled in my view this year and it's as much a hope than a certainty that they will improve.

Don't know about Setanta, sometimes I like him and other times I cringe when he's near the ball will he ever be a fixture?

Hendo is a developing gun and Waite is our best current KP by a country mile

I hear good things about Casboult as well but can't comment

Anyone who thinks we are not at least a KPD short didn't watch the last 3 games.

As for the mids I think you can also add, in a few years, Yarren, Joseph and Garlett to that list. And thats not to mention Ellard who has been very good since coming in and Dylan Buckley who we've committed to next year.

To those who say you can't have too many mids I say not at the expense of team balance.

Of the list above, excluding rucks, I'm personally only confident of Waite and Henderson so I agree with those who call for talls in the draft or trade period.

 

[No1Suspect]

We've drafted enough early pick mids.. If we can land an earlier pick somehow then our first 2 choices must be a KPD and a HBF with great skills.
Jamo and Bower would develop out of site with the freedom a KPD would allow them.
And if we can land a HBF with great skills then free up gibbs he'd turn the comp on its head

After that i'd look at best available KPF...

 

[Silvagnis]

We should not trade for any one over 26, this doesn't fit us.

Agreed.

Judd would offer us nothing if we can get him from Richmond.

 

[Sin City]

We've drafted enough early pick mids.. If we can land an earlier pick somehow then our first 2 choices must be a KPD and a HBF with great skills.
Jamo and Bower would develop out of site with the freedom a KPD would allow them.
And if we can land a HBF with great skills then free up gibbs he'd turn the comp on its head

After that i'd look at best available KPF...

Wayne Hughes doesn't draft for need. Never has, never will.

 

[No1Suspect]

Wayne Hughes doesn't draft for need. Never has, never will.

All the more reason for a revamp of the panel and spend some money on gettin a decent list builder.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

All the more reason for a revamp of the panel and spend some money on gettin a decent list builder.

Show us a better performed recruiter, doucher!
Youngest team in the Top 8 for two years running says he's building a decent young list.

 

[No1Suspect]

Show us a better performed recruiter, doucher!
Youngest team in the Top 8 for two years running says he's building a decent young list.

Hawks, Cats, StKilda, Pies, Freo all ahead of us it would seem...drafted needs.. not 'best available' every single f'n year

and out in straight sets 2 years in a row.. lacking a backline because why? all we do is draft mids.

Doucher!

 

[Jeremias]

Oh for ****s sake.

This argument again? Really?

Why do we need to have it every 3 weeks when a newbie starts posting?

WH's drafting is fine. That has been shown time and time again, especially relative to some of those teams you mentioned. Go look through the countless threads that have covered this exact topic and proven exactly that.

Give up the WH bashing because you'll fall flat on your face sooner rather than later - I guarantee that.

 

[Silvagnis]

I thought it was Henderson, Waite and Betts' poor game that cost us the final, not our tall defenders?

TDL's tackle on Armfield cost us the game, not our tall defenders.

White kicked one goal.

We lost last year's final because Jamison and Waite missed the game.

No Kreuzer this year.

Off hand, I struggle to name a decent tall defender that Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda and Fremantle have drafted in the top twelve. Fremantle had to trade for McPharlin and Tarrant to get their best KPD. Thorp and Dowler were busts, yet Hawkins hasn't done any better than Tippett after being rated as a bargain.

There's no real point debating the merit of drafting for need with picks outside the first round. Hartlett and Edwards didn't work out. You're kidding yourself if you think Geelong would have drafted Harry Taylor with an earlier pick. I look forward to the whining if Geelong's decision to overlook Riewoldt, Frawley or Reid costs them a flag.

That might happen if Scarlett, Taylor, Mooney, Podsiadly and Hawkins fail to deliver.

Hughes was bagged for picking Kennedy, yet he's kicked 41 goals for the wooden spooner.

Go figure.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Hawks, Cats, StKilda, Pies, Freo all ahead of us it would seem...drafted needs.. not 'best available' every single f'n year

and out in straight sets 2 years in a row.. lacking a backline because why? all we do is draft mids.

Doucher!

Let's go one by one.

Hawks;
Recruiting since well before Judd for their '08 flag, Croad, Hodge, Mitchell etc were well before we were on the way down and allowed in the draft. Just lost a final to by half time to a team only one place above them on the ladder.
Incomparable.

Cats;
Majority of the team taken between 1999 and 2002, benefitted from Father-Son picks like no-bodies business, so much so, the rules were changed because of them. We, do however pale in comparison at the moment.

St. Kilda;
Had the top 2 picks back in year 2000, that's 10 years, and they still haven't won anything - probably for getting one of those picks fundamentally wrong in Koschitzke - Didak is miles ahead - our picks were taken 05 and 06, again incomparable. Repetitively poor recruitment in recent years has seen questionable returns; Ray, Peake, Lovett, the Ball incident - they should be at the stage where players.

Pies;
Tanked in about 05 to pick up the Pendlebury / Thomas combination, other than that have had sustained success for a while and haven't had to bottom out in the Carlton / Melbourne fashion. Good recruitment here however, that appears better due to players in Blair and Wellingham slotting into the top side in the comp.

Freo;
Pavlich, Hasleby, Sandilands, Tarrant, Grover, Headland, McPharlain.
Every single key post covered by a player over 27. When all of Henderson, Bower, and Jamison are 27-30, I would expect far better performance. We have one KPP over 27 and that is Waite, who isn't a FF but is being forced to play as such due to injuries and the Fevola trade. Incomparable. Must be noted that WH was at Fremantle as a list manager when the recruitment of a decent part of their list was being compiled - Ironic.

Too late J, he's already fallen on it!