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#51
I'm actually looking forward to making an informed decision between two sides who both seem to have St Kilda's best interest at heart.

I'm sure it will be written up in the media as boardroom turmoil but why is it wrong that we as members actually get to have a say in who runs our football club?

I've had a look at the Footy First website and they make a compelling case and by the same token the current board have done an exceptional job in turning around our financial situation. However is that enough?

- Could some of the money we have made from 5 years of million dollar profits be diverted to other areas?
- Will this challenge divide the club?
- What is the new tickets thoughts towards retaining Moorabbin as our home base?

There are many questions that we want answered. At the end of the day all we want is to see our football club achieve the success that we've had so little of over the years. I'm yet to commit myself either way because I want more information but the group that gets my support is the one that I think will deliver regular on-field success. God knows we deserve it.
 

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#52
I predict the only thing that will push this to a vote will be Rod Butterss stubbornness and arrogance.

It is quite clear he is on his way out. Most members were embarrassed when they heard Butterss and Grant Thomas (who can do whatever he likes) airing out their dirty laundry in public. It was incumbent on Butterss to take the moral highground as the leader of our football club, and instead he opted for namecalling. This is unacceptable.

Recently there has been a growing view that football club administrations and boards are more interested in running a profitable business than winning premierships. While in the life-or-death situations at Arden St & Whitten Oval this can be understood, the breadth of support for the St Kilda Football Club in the community should ensure that if the football club is run well we operate at a profit.

Also, the confusion regarding the future location of our training base has added to a view that the current board aren't on top of things.

I will be voting for the new ticket, but it probably won't get to that. Butterss will see the writing on the wall and shuffle off into the sunset, as he should. Club presidents generally have a use-by date of around 7 years, and now would be the appropriate time for Butterss to move aside, with a heartfelt thanks from the supporters for getting the club moving in the right direction. We need to continue to move in the right direction.
 

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hmm just visited the Footy First website & read "Get the Facts" pointed out deficiencies - but have not seen "we will do xxx " to fix the problem, apart from spend more money on footy dept

need more than pie in the sky stuff

Change is certainly good, keeps people on their toes & striving to do better.

not yet convinced either way.
 
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hmm just visited the Footy First website & read "Get the Facts" pointed out deficiencies - but have not seen "we will do xxx " to fix the problem, apart from spend more money on footy dept

need more than pie in the sky stuff

Change is certainly good, keeps people on their toes & striving to do better.

not yet convinced either way.
Their main push is because of lack of numbers employed, what a wank. The Western Bulldogs have 122, and look where they finished. Their website is a poor set up also, look at the botom line running into the red template. These guys are kidding themselves, all hands on deck for Rod and his mates.:thumbsu:
 

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Their main push is because of lack of numbers employed, what a wank. The Western Bulldogs have 122, and look where they finished. Their website is a poor set up also, look at the botom line running into the red template. These guys are kidding themselves, all hands on deck for Rod and his mates.:thumbsu:
noticed that the website runs off the bottom of the page with no scroll.

agree - numbers mean squat you can have 100 people employed with no idea - doesn't mean they'll do better than 50 people with experience & knowledge.
 

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#58
People, do not vote on the personality of the president. People make mistakes, and learn from them. Vote on the ability of the president and his board to run the club and keep us in the black. Without profit there would be no ability to have an increased football department without risking the financial, and therefore existance, of the club.

Speak up for what you believe and send a message, but consider that sending a message to the current board to make spending amendments may be the best outcome.

The proposed ticket seem to be making it up as they go and have already changed deadlines for media conferences. I will wait to see if they bring any solutions to what they cite as problems, but please take a rational approach to this decision, not one based purley on emotion and the dissapointment of not making the finals this year.

We need a board that is in place for a long period of time to build stability. Make the decision, can this board deliver for the next 10 years, do they have the bredth of knowledge from varying influences to do this, or will they too be up for challenge in three years?

I trust that we will all appreciate the balance between winning and cash flow in the modern era.
 

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Thread starter #59
- Could some of the money we have made from 5 years of million dollar profits be diverted to other areas?
- Will this challenge divide the club?
I think these are two of the biggest questions here. The fact is, IMO, we needed to go for profits and build our cash/asset base, because we have always been a deplorably poor club, irrespective of our strong base of supporters. You could argue that we had enough about a year ago, but then Butterss' only crime is playing it safe for one year too long... big whoop! And anyway, the club under Butterss HAS spent considerable money at times - remember the re-surfacing of Moorabbin?
As for whether the challenge will divide the club, I don't think so. Whichever way people vote, their loyalty will always be to the club and not to a particular party - neither group is stronger than the club. If you vote one way, and the other group gets in, are you really going to ditch the club? Of course not! There'll be hype by Caroline Wilson that it's all a disaster, but it's not - it's democracy: elections are held in Australia, between several VIABLE candidates, every three or more years, and we don't call that "turmoil". It's the same here - viable alternatives should be presented to the members every now and then. That's why Butterss, or Westaway, or whoever, is called a President and not a Potentate.
 

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#60
Not only the surfacing of Moorabbin - a lot of cash was spent in preseason trips to China, Sth Africa etc.

RB has done a lot of hard work re sponsorship, home ground upgrade/negotiations, he has delievered.

We need to see something more than "we will spend more money" as is coming from the footy first ticket.

Sorry - you've got to make money before you can spend it, you have to generate cash flow - this doesnt happen overnight or in 1year.

The whole mantra of RB & GT at the time was to build a St Kilda that would be around, not just get a flag. But to build a club of strength, on field & off field

I am all for making sure people are always striving for a better st kilda - if the current admin stays in, they will spend more money on footy dept (all reports were saying that Lyon was asking for more)
will this be enough to appease those against RB?
 
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maybe nathan burke and andrew thompson can take some blame for the poor perfomances on the field rather than blaming the board for "not spending enough money on us (football department)... whinge whinge whinge"

maybe if they got a massuse per person they would play better and not have as many injuries yes??

does a coach get a say in the football department? because i can't see much changing in there besides sheldon going and them hiring an extra 20 pointless staff..
 

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The most disturbing thing to me is having the lowest turnover of all the clubs.
That needs urgent attention.
People knock the Roos, Dogs and Demons for having a low supporter base yet the Saints, with more members and bigger game attendances apparently have a lower total income than those three.
Somethings not right somewhere.
 

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The most disturbing thing to me is having the lowest turnover of all the clubs.
That needs urgent attention.
People knock the Roos, Dogs and Demons for having a low supporter base yet the Saints, with more members and bigger game attendances apparently have a lower total income than those three.
Somethings not right somewhere.
Our deal with Telstra Dome is quite unique, maybe it doesn't show revenue/costs like the other clubs?
 

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One thing is for sure, these are questions that probably need to be asked, so some good should come of it if it does not destabalise us.
 
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Thread starter #68
This whole drug innuendo thing ticks me off... Burke and Westaway have come out and said that he never intended to suggest that Butterrs and the board are doing lines of cocaine on the meeting table - stand by your innuendos when they start to bite you, with some facts preferably, fellas, or don't start them at all.

Either that, or start a decent rumour, like Levin caught the RB in a blonde wig and a leotard saying with an Italian accent, "I can't believe I'm Rod Butterss!"
 

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The more I think about this thing, the more I want to stay with Butterss. Just based on the reports I've been reading on the HS and Real footy websites, it seems that expenditure HAS been rather low, WHILE we were in debt. BUT as we've got back into the black after DECADES of being in the red, that's started to change. Butterss has started spending more, bit by bit, most recently with the answer to our prayers - a top notch fitness dept, probably one of the most qualified in the league, and certainly one of the best in Victoria. Butterss' biggest crime seems to have been being careful and financially conservative... which is a welcome change for a St Kilda President!
 

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The same profit could have been achieved by increasing income rather than cutting expenditure. Having a higher income makes the future safer.
If income remains low and the fat has been cut, there's nowhere to turn if expenditure has to rise.
Making a profit is great - how it was made may not have been so great.
 

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#75
The only gripe I have with the saints board is with their president in Rod Butterss. His constant bickering with the former coach in Grant Thomas and his constant rudeness with just about everyone else is just what you guys don't need. Otherwise they are a good bunch of people.
 
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