Bock

[Crow-mo]

game plan was somewhere been non-existent and unsuited to their skill level.

a prime example, that your plan has to fit your players. they just didn't have the experience, skills, or bodies to execute a fast moving handlball happy style.

 

[Vader]

I would suggest that Geelong's AFL/VFL record score (37.17 239) would come under serious threat at some stage this season.

Gold Coast will struggle to win a game this year. Brisbane would be the only team who are even vaguely close to being as bad.

Gold Coast have a very young side, with a lot of very talented kids. They will be red hot premiership favourites in 6-7 years, but they're going to seriously struggle for the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[chigwidden]

I thought I heard that our team has less total games experience than the Suns.

That can't be right, can it?

 

[Vader]

I thought I heard that our team has less total games experience than the Suns.

That can't be right, can it?

I doubt it.

Richmond's team on Friday had fewer games than Gold Coast, but the games they had were better distributed. Gold Coast had 12 debutants, with the remaining 10 players averaging over 100 games each. Richmond had only 2 players with 100+ games, but almost all of their players had been around for a while at least.

 

[macca23]

game plan was somewhere been non-existent and unsuited to their skill level.

a prime example, that your plan has to fit your players. they just didn't have the experience, skills, or bodies to execute a fast moving handlball happy style.

I haven't got a clue what their game plan was because they never got one going.

Buggered if I know what it should be either given how far they were off the pace last night.

They'll obviously develop one as the season progresses, but they'll be really pushing shit up hill for some time yet.

Just on Bock, he wasn't hopeless given the flood of attacks that Carlton had. Having said that, we are damn lucky the way its turned out. We've replaced Bock with Davis who has a far greater future plus Tambling who will end up being a gun for us, which is a big win.

Now all we need is for GWS to take either Stevens or Doughty to give us another end of season present.

 

[Geoffa32]

The best thing about the Suns.


We play em twice................

 

[anthc]

its hard to fly like an eagle, when your surrounded by turkeys

the youngsters will take time to find their feet. The question is will gaj and bock and the rest of the experienced brigade be on the decline by the time they do..

 

[johnnypanther]

I thought I heard that our team has less total games experience than the Suns.

That can't be right, can it?

One would think that is incorrect, however, even if it was right - then our lack of game experience would be more than counterbalanced by our much older total age

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

why should he ease up? he was a guy made to look better than he was by getting the latitude to be an unaccountable CHB.

in a young team, his job is to do more dirty work.

I support Bock's decision to do what's best for him, but equally I don't support all the people who thought he was a different beast to what he has always been.

He wasn't made to look "better than he was."

He was, and is, very bloody good. Top handful of key backs in the comp. He was so good for us because he both attacked and defended - he rarely got beaten. Your comment is simply bullshit. He was not at all unaccountable. Do you remember when he pummeled Lance Franklin with 35 possessions?

I love the revisionist history when someone leaves.

Davis is good, but at the moment he's no Bock - doesn't have the attacking nous.

 

[Crow-mo]

He wasn't made to look "better than he was."

He was, and is, very bloody good. Top handful of key backs in the comp. He was so good for us because he both attacked and defended - he rarely got beaten. Your comment is simply bullshit. He was not at all unaccountable. Do you remember when he pummeled Lance Franklin with 35 possessions?

I love the revisionist history when someone leaves.

Davis is good, but at the moment he's no Bock - doesn't have the attacking nous.

if that wasnt such unadultarated bullshit it would be a good post.

bock is a crap a defender, what he is very good at it is creating and generating run from half back - hes very good at that. but he's a shit key back and accountable defender

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

if that wasnt such unadultarated bullshit it would be a good post.

bock is a crap a defender, what he is very good at it is creating and generating run from half back - hes very good at that. but he's a shit key back and accountable defender

That's not true at all.

 

[Vader]

I love the revisionist history when someone leaves.

To be fair to Crow-mo, you can't accuse him of being revisionist here. Crow-mo has been very consistent, over a long period of time, when it comes to his views on Bock. His opinions were formed long before Bock's defection and have not been framed with that in mind.

FWIW, I think that Bock is more than just a creative player - I think he also did a good job of negating the effectiveness of his opponent. Maybe not as good a job as some on here would have you believe, but better than Crow-mo thinks he was/is.

 

[Jars458]

but he's a shit key back and accountable defender

So that's what you meant. As I thought, you really just like to be different. That is completely wrong IMO. Bock was rarely beaten by his direct opponent. No doubt some times his opponent got goals when he was running up the ground when the ball turned over but that would often be due to team mates poor skill level.

However if you somehow have some stats on what Bock's direct opponent did when standing him I would be interested to see them.

 

[anthc]

To be fair to Crow-mo, you can't accuse him of being revisionist here. Crow-mo has been very consistent, over a long period of time, when it comes to his views on Bock. His opinions were formed long before Bock's defection and have not been framed with that in mind.

FWIW, I think that Bock is more than just a creative player - I think he also did a good job of negating the effectiveness of his opponent. Maybe not as good a job as some on here would have you believe, but better than Crow-mo thinks he was/is.

yes indeed, no place for a mick martyn anymore, bock was and still is an excellent defender. just because he didn't need to be as accountable in the adelaide defence doesn't mean we cant play a more of a shutdown role.

hes had one game at GC ffs

 

[thaigreencurry]

fat and uninterested is how the gold coast turncoats looked...

Blighty seemed pretty upset in the commentary...so he should be
i think he expected something a little more competitive...lol

the blues took the foot off after qtr time... some other teams won't...

collingwood should beat them by 300 odd pts...
48.24... to 0.1

I'm glad the crows get to smack into them twice, it's a huge advantage this year...[/quote]



Don't quite agree with the bolded part. Everyone gets the chance at a percentage booster when they play them. Those that don't seize this opportunity will miss out on that advantage. Also as the season progresses and the club improves the thrashings will become less and less thus making the advantage only available to the more experienced teams and those whose gameplan the suns aren't able to match up well on.

 

[Vader]

Don't quite agree with the bolded part. Everyone gets the chance at a percentage booster when they play them. Those that don't seize this opportunity will miss out on that advantage. Also as the season progresses and the club improves the thrashings will become less and less thus making the advantage only available to the more experienced teams and those whose gameplan the suns aren't able to match up well on.

I'd argue that the smashings are going to get bigger & more frequent as the season drags on.

Firstly, the bulk of their list is made up of youngsters playing their first season of AFL footy. Young kids tire out as the season progresses, as their bodies are simply not used to the rigours and demands of playing AFL footy for 6 continuous months. As the players tire, the spankings grow.

Secondly, the players are going to get more and more dis-spirited and unmotivated as the season goes on and they get spanked every week. As the motivation levels fall, so do the performances... resulting in bigger and bigger spankings.

I do not envy Guy McKenna's position in 2011 & 2012. On the other hand, I'd love to be in his shoes around 2017-2020, assuming he survives that long in the job.

 

[Glenno23]

Don't quite agree with the bolded part. Everyone gets the chance at a percentage booster when they play them. Those that don't seize this opportunity will miss out on that advantage. Also as the season progresses and the club improves the thrashings will become less and less thus making the advantage only available to the more experienced teams and those whose gameplan the suns aren't able to match up well on.

Yeah, and we get 2 percentage boosting chances instead of 1

if we don't take these opportunities, we don't deserve to be playing finals

 

[thaigreencurry]

I'd argue that the smashings are going to get bigger & more frequent as the season drags on.

Firstly, the bulk of their list is made up of youngsters playing their first season of AFL footy. Young kids tire out as the season progresses, as their bodies are simply not used to the rigours and demands of playing AFL footy for 6 continuous months. As the players tire, the spankings grow.

Secondly, the players are going to get more and more dis-spirited and unmotivated as the season goes on and they get spanked every week. As the motivation levels fall, so do the performances... resulting in bigger and bigger spankings.

I do not envy Guy McKenna's position in 2011 & 2012. On the other hand, I'd love to be in his shoes around 2017-2020, assuming he survives that long in the job.

A quality counter argument.

Only time will tell.

 

[woopedazz]

The best thing about the Suns.


We play em twice................

I reckon they thought we weren't going to be any good this year (hopefully we will prove them wrong), so they are trying to cushion the stats of GC inaugural season by playing bottom 8 sides.

Actually looking at their fixture, maybe not.

 

[chigwidden]

As long as we don't underestimate them. I think Sydney did, in the first game at Blacktown (although, having just come off a GWS game, I'm not entirely surprised). As Glenno23 said, we have to make the most of the opportunity to beat them twice, and bump our percentage. At least the new-look Crows seem more willing to firmly and decisively put sides away than the Crows of recent years...

 

[Vader]

As long as we don't underestimate them. I think Sydney did, in the first game at Blacktown (although, having just come off a GWS game, I'm not entirely surprised). As Glenno23 said, we have to make the most of the opportunity to beat them twice, and bump our percentage. At least the new-look Crows seem more willing to firmly and decisively put sides away than the Crows of recent years...

You don't seriously think Sydney were trying to win that game? They just stuffed up their usual round of MMC tanking, forgetting to account for how good their percentage was going to be after belting the orange witches hats. Sydney always tank in the first round of the MMC. Always. They much prefer being able to prepare under the bush league rules, without the pressure & expectation that they'll try to "win the competition".

Nothing wrong with this - it seems to have served them well for many years.

 

[chigwidden]

You don't seriously think Sydney were trying to win that game? They just stuffed up their usual round of MMC tanking, forgetting to account for how good their percentage was going to be after belting the orange witches hats. Sydney always tank in the first round of the MMC. Always. They much prefer being able to prepare under the bush league rules, without the pressure & expectation that they'll try to "win the competition".

Nothing wrong with this - it seems to have served them well for many years.

I was at the game and watched a replay, and I don't think they were aiming to tank that one, honestly. The team looked genuinely surprised to be so flatfooted. I think they mistimed the pace of the game, based on the absolute cruise to victory over the GWS.

Last year they won first round MMC, and I thought they were going out to do the same this year, based on play style.

Their defensive structures are still pretty shambolic without LRT and Tadhg (I follow Sydney almost as closely as Adelaide, FWIW, though I care about them _much_ less ) but they were absolutely woeful-to-nonexistent in that game.

 

[fatbarber]

I remember our first year, we were on the end of some mawlings! Still won a few though so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they shock a few teams. It's round one for them.

 

[Vader]

I remember our first year, we were on the end of some mawlings! Still won a few though so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they shock a few teams. It's round one for them.

There's a world of difference between GC 2011 and AFC 1991...

Back then we had a very mature side. Actually, our 1991 team list was probably the oldest we've ever fielded. We had a LOT of players aged 30+ who got in as a reward for outstanding service to the SANFL over a long period of time.

In contrast, they have only 9 or 10 players on their entire list with AFL experience. Roughly 3/4 of their list is aged under 20!

 

[Go the Guts]

In relation to Bock leaving us and his worth or lack of it to us if he stayed................

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/110828/default.aspx

McKenna revealed that senior players Ablett, Jared Brennan, Nathan Bock and Campbell Brown may not have been selected under normal circumstances given their injury-interrupted pre-seasons.

"If they were in a different side … but the situation is we've got to play them," he said.

"As low as their fitness bases are, they're better off getting in there and working with the young kids at senior level, rather than going through the reserves."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/110828/default.aspx