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Can I withdraw my nomination for Cattery for poster of the year? :p

No you may not. ;)


The bolded is junk. Varcoe was very good against the Bulldogs and good against Collingwood.

Now cool ya jets catempire, it's not junk simply because you disagree with it, it's merely my opinion, which can be right or wrong same as yours, although I do realise it's bordering on sacrilege to say anything negative about Trav.

Let's take a look at his "good" game against Collingwood. One possie in the first quarter, which he stuffed up, five in a five minute period in the second and one other beside those, then didn't lay his hands on the leather again until about eight minutes left in the third, at which time we were leading by forty points, game done and dusted, Pies dragging their arses, and surprise surprise, Trav steps up and starts contributing.

Where was he when the heat was on and the game was up for grabs, nowhere to be seen unfortunately, so if you want to say he played a good game because he racked up a few possies and a couple of goals in what was basically junk time then that's your opinion, I'll disagree with it, but won't call it junk; for mine he was arguably our least effective player "when it mattered."

He won't be dropped. Nor will anyone. The only way Stokes will play is if there is an injury we don't know about.

Never said he would, just that "if" Stokes returned Varcoe should be the one to make way, not Wojcinski or Byrnes, again just my opinion.


I would call it 3 out of 5 good, including two very good.

Once more I beg to differ, I'll stick to two average/poor and two [ Saints and Hawks last year ] exceedingly poor.
 
Hasn't Stokes been battling on going groin issues for the better part of 18 months?

1 week off will not completely fix the injury.

Don't risk it cats, no change
 
Now cool ya jets catempire, it's not junk simply because you disagree with it, it's merely my opinion, which can be right or wrong same as yours, although I do realise it's bordering on sacrilege to say anything negative about Trav.

No, it's simply junk because almost everyone would disagree with it. In fact, you are the first person I've come across who wouldn't say Varcoe played well against the Bulldogs.

Let's take a look at his "good" game against Collingwood. One possie in the first quarter, which he stuffed up, five in a five minute period in the second and one other beside those, then didn't lay his hands on the leather again until about eight minutes left in the third, at which time we were leading by forty points, game done and dusted, Pies dragging their arses, and surprise surprise, Trav steps up and starts contributing.

Where was he when the heat was on and the game was up for grabs, nowhere to be seen unfortunately, so if you want to say he played a good game because he racked up a few possies and a couple of goals in what was basically junk time then that's your opinion, I'll disagree with it, but won't call it junk; for mine he was arguably our least effective player "when it mattered."

Quiet early, very good late.

He had some telling possessions in the third quarter as I recall, when it was time to put the foot down and open up a lead. The game was still up for grabs.

Cattery said:
Once more I beg to differ, I'll stick to two average/poor and two [ Saints and Hawks last year ] exceedingly poor.

Going by the same logic, one could say Byrnes should be the one to make way.

His game against Collingwood was good, but before that he was below average (some, not me, might call them "exceedingly poor") in three out of his past four finals.

In any event, neither will be dropped and neither should be. There's no case to argue either of them should be dropped based on current form and where Stokes is at.
 

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No, it's simply junk because almost everyone would disagree with it. In fact, you are the first person I've come across who wouldn't say Varcoe played well against the Bulldogs.

I'm afraid "because almost everyone would disagree with it" is not a very compelling argument, especially when it comes to Varcoe, who seems to be judged by different standards compared to other players; just ask those who gave him votes on Saturday.

Must add it's very strange logic that because someones opinion is in the minority it's automatically junk.


Quiet early, very good late.

He had some telling possessions in the third quarter as I recall, when it was time to put the foot down and open up a lead. The game was still up for grabs.

"Quite" early, okay I'll live with that [ just ] the rest of that statement is j, errrrr incorrect, his "telling" possessions in the third came when we were forty points up with around eight/ten minutes left, if you call that "up for grabs" you obviously don't have a lot of confidence in the Cats, game was done and dusted, probably before but certainly after Byrnes kicked his second goal.

Going by the same logic, one could say Byrnes should be the one to make way.

His game against Collingwood was good, but before that he was below average (some, not me, might call them "exceedingly poor") in three out of his past four finals.

Not really discussing Byrnes, but if we must his form leading into the finals was better then Varcoes, not that it was great, and he played better on Saturday, especially when it mattered, therefore my opinion that "if" there was to be a change Varcoe and not Wojcinski or Byrnes should be the one to make way.

In any event, neither will be dropped and neither should be. There's no case to argue either of them should be dropped based on current form and where Stokes is at.

Again, I never said he would, or should be.
 
I'm afraid "because almost everyone would disagree with it" is not a very compelling argument, especially when it comes to Varcoe, who seems to be judged by different standards compared to other players; just ask those who gave him votes on Saturday.

Must add it's very strange logic that because someones opinion is in the minority it's automatically junk.

Not automatically, just a pretty good indication.

And I'm glad you brought up the bolded bit and then this:

Cattery said:
Not really discussing Byrnes, but if we must his form leading into the finals was better then Varcoes, not that it was great, and he played better on Saturday, especially when it mattered, therefore my opinion that "if" there was to be a change Varcoe and not Wojcinski or Byrnes should be the one to make way.

Because that's the heart of it really. You judge Varcoe harshly and always have.
 
Not automatically, just a pretty good indication.

Seem to recall just about everybody and his dog thought Manstein was off his rocker for wanting to attack through the Ardennes in WW11, guess what, he was right. :D

Because that's the heart of it really. You judge Varcoe harshly and always have.

I could say that others, yourself included, bend over backwards to pump up his tires.
Just because I don't almost wet myself every time he does something good and declare him the greatest thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I judge him harshly.
 
I could say that others, yourself included, bend over backwards to pump up his tires.
Just because I don't almost wet myself every time he does something good and declare him the greatest thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I judge him harshly.

I'm a tire pumper too.
And I have said over the past month that Varcoe has tended to skate past opposition players who have the ball rather than going and getting them. Annoys me.

But I think he has been given more of a defensive role lately and I think he lacks the confidence to take off and get the ball in case his opp gets it.

But he is the exact sort of player that 'could' provide some game breaking moments on saturday.

You can't afford to have too many of them in your team though.

Hopefully he gets 2 opportunistic goals and a couple of pacy possessions out on the wing in the first quarter on saturday. Because if he does it will affect the saints setup for sure.
 
I could say that others, yourself included, bend over backwards to pump up his tires.
Just because I don't almost wet myself every time he does something good and declare him the greatest thing since sliced bread doesn't mean I judge him harshly.

I don't need to bend with gems like "going backwards at a rate of knots" and "exceedingly poor". It's easy picking! ;)
 
I'm a tire pumper too.
And I have said over the past month that Varcoe has tended to skate past opposition players who have the ball rather than going and getting them. Annoys me.

But I think he has been given more of a defensive role lately and I think he lacks the confidence to take off and get the ball in case his opp gets it.

But he is the exact sort of player that 'could' provide some game breaking moments on saturday.

You can't afford to have too many of them in your team though.

Hopefully he gets 2 opportunistic goals and a couple of pacy possessions out on the wing in the first quarter on saturday. Because if he does it will affect the saints setup for sure.

Pretty much agree with all you say, I've always said he has plenty of skill, and like you say he "could" do some real damage, trouble is he seldom does, especially when there's real pressure on, and there's going to be plenty of that come Saturday which has me worried he's going to be somewhat of a liability.

Guess it doesn't need saying that I hope I'm 100% wrong and he plays a blinder, I'd be more then happy to wear a bit of egg on my face.
 
I don't need to bend with gems like "going backwards at a rate of knots" and "exceedingly poor". It's easy picking! ;)

Bit pedantic don't you think, especially since I amended that first statement.

And you don't think he's been exceedingly poor on a number of occasions?

If you think I do underrate him I'd have to charge that you overrate him.
 
Pretty much agree with all you say, I've always said he has plenty of skill, and like you say he "could" do some real damage, trouble is he seldom does, especially when there's real pressure on, and there's going to be plenty of that come Saturday which has me worried he's going to be somewhat of a liability.

Guess it doesn't need saying that I hope I'm 100% wrong and he plays a blinder, I'd be more then happy to wear a bit of egg on my face.

I'm not sure he could be a liability. He might end up with stuff all stats but I doubt his opponent will get it.

If you want to point at possible 'real' liabilities then you just need to look at stokes on hodge last year for an example.

The players that could be liabilities will be whoever plays on fisher and Goddard (when down back) this week.

Ever who plays on them must do a bit of scoring AND stop those 2.

I doubt Varcoe, Byrnes, or stokes would have anything to do with those 2.
 
Bit pedantic don't you think, especially since I amended that first statement.

And you don't think he's been exceedingly poor on a number of occasions?

If you think I do underrate him I'd have to charge that you overrate him.

Look for the winky mate. ;)

Every player plays poor games. Fringe players play more of them. They also tend to play "exceedingly poor" games. That's footy. I'm just observing that you tend to point out Varcoe's more than you do others.

I'd be interested to know what I have said that you feel is an over-rating.
 

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I'm not sure he could be a liability. He might end up with stuff all stats but I doubt his opponent will get it.

Not sure about that, he's the type of player who can go missing big time, and I'm not sure what you mean about his opponent, he isn't a lock down player who's going to chop someone out of the game, if he gets "stuff all" stats he'll be a liability IMO.
 
Look for the winky mate. ;)

Every player plays poor games. Fringe players play more of them. They also tend to play "exceedingly poor" games. That's footy. I'm just observing that you tend to point out Varcoe's more than you do others.

I'd be interested to know what I have said that you feel is an over-rating.

Yeah, may have sounded a bit terse there. Edit. .... Nerves are gettin' to me.

As for overrating him, it's just comments from time to time, can't be bothered trying to track them down right now being the lazy sod that I am, but there's definitely a propensity to pump him up while playing down his faults on here IMO.

Not just from you I don't mean, matter of fact you're pretty mild compared to some.
 
I've got a lot more respect for him after seeing his reaction at the press conference. Admitted he made a mistake last year and was happy with the decision he made this year. :thumbsu:
Agreed. Respect. :thumbsu:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85299/default.aspx

He said a cuddle from football operations manager Neil Balme was both comforting and scary while words from match committee member Steve Hocking and assistant coach Ken Hinkley had helped ease the pain.
Funny bugger.:D
 

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better that they did it like this - at least he was already out a week prior to the GF than to have it leaked midweek, Blake-style all over SEN and the footy show, etc. I also believe he owes the club after what went down last year so it's all worked out ok. If we go down on Saturday I don't think there'll be too many "what if" scenarios unless one of our small forwards plays an utter howler on the day.
 
I also believe he owes the club after what went down last year so it's all worked out ok.
I agree with this, however what he has done last week and this week has repayed whatever he owed in my eyes - win, lose or draw (preferably win of course).
 

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