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CatToTheFuture said:
That his choosing a player in a better position is a failure on his part to beat his opponent. Taking an option that is in a free attacking position is better than taking a shot yourself when you are not.

I don't think his number of goals kicked (which at 0.9 per game isn't that bad for an 18 gamer) signals any deficiency. He has taken shots himself when in best position.
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Taking the first option, being a player in a better position, and executing it perfectly, is a coaches wet dream.
It takes something special to try to spin that around as a negative. Short bus type of special.
 

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CatToTheFuture said:
You have some really oddly specific criteria. Just strange
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Didn’t happen tonight. Had the perfect chance to snap a goal 20 metres out in the first qtr and instead gave a bad handball to Higgins.

close was in the best position. Instead tried to give it to a player who at best was in no better position then him.

1 game down.

we will keep counting.
 
Seeds said:
Didn’t happen tonight. Had the perfect chance to snap a goal 20 metres out in the first qtr and instead gave a bad handball to Higgins.

close was in the best position. Instead tried to give it to a player who at best was in no better position then him.

1 game down.

we will keep counting.
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You've found 1 from his last 115 handballs. He also roved a pack and took a shot but missed despite being in the best position.
 
CatToTheFuture said:
You've found 1 from his last 115 handballs. He also roved a pack and took a shot but missed despite being in the best position.
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And that shot was terrible. An absolute scrubber that barely registered a point.

thats just more evidence of his problem in front of goal in open play.

he does not have goal nous at all.

he hardly can ever rove a pack and when he does he either gets stage fright and passes when he shouldnt or he kicks a scrubber.

miers would of iced both of those.
 
Seeds said:
And that shot was terrible. An absolute scrubber that barely registered a point.

thats just more evidence of his problem in front of goal in open play.

he does not have goal nous at all.

he hardly can ever rover a pack and when he does he either gets stage fright and passes when he shouldnt or he kicks a scrubber.

miers would of iced both of those.
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So you say he doesn't take shots when he is in best position, then he does so you say he's not good at kicking goals, though he's a shade under a goal a game average as a sub 20 game player.

All I'm saying is he generally makes good decisions, and sets up his teammates to attack well. Why change the goal posts? Because you don't want to change your opinion that x player is bad, so you pointlessly shift the criteria such that the player no longer fits it. It's kind of sad.
 
Wasn't much of a forward when drafted from the SAFL. Not at all dangerous around goals and his opponent is happy to sag off him and clog up the space of the other forwards.
 
Seeds said:
And that shot was terrible. An absolute scrubber that barely registered a point.

thats just more evidence of his problem in front of goal in open play.
he does not have goal nous at all.
he hardly can ever rove a pack and when he does he either gets stage fright and passes when he shouldnt or he kicks a scrubber.
Miers would of iced both of those.
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Certainly didn’t distinguish himself last night but wasn’t alone. I’m prepared to cut him some slack while Dahlhaus remains in the team.
 
Seeds said:
Didn’t happen tonight. Had the perfect chance to snap a goal 20 metres out in the first qtr and instead gave a bad handball to Higgins.

close was in the best position. Instead tried to give it to a player who at best was in no better position then him.

1 game down.

we will keep counting.
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Good grief - you do love a personal vendetta don't you :(
I look forward to your detailed critique of the other 21 who also had shit moments last night including Stewart......

We were due , Lions had something to prove - we were off and got reamed well and truly.
Now for the response starting next Friday V Dons..........
 
CatToTheFuture said:
So you say he doesn't take shots when he is in best position, then he does so you say he's not good at kicking goals, though he's a shade under a goal a game average as a sub 20 game player.

All I'm saying is he generally makes good decisions, and sets up his teammates to attack well. Why change the goal posts? Because you don't want to change your opinion that x player is bad, so you pointlessly shift the criteria such that the player no longer fits it. It's kind of sad.
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Name one player in the history of the game who refused to ever take a shot ever? even Ben Simmons occasionally shoots for a 3 pointer.

when I say he doesn’t take shots in open play when in a position to snap a goal obviously I mean he rarely does. Not literally never. Any rational person would just assume that’s what I meant. stop trying to distract from the issue at hand With idiot semantics.

whether it’s cos he doesn’t have the skills to execute or is too scared to take a shot is irrelevant anyway. The outcome is the same. Close does not kick goals when he has opportunity to do so. Therefore his man will peel off and try and stop the players that do.
 

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Seeds said:
Name one player in the history of the game who refused to ever take a shot ever? even Ben Simmons occasionally shoots for a 3 pointer.

when I say he doesn’t take shots in open play when in a position to snap a goal obviously I mean he rarely does. Not literally never. Any rational person would just assume that’s what I meant. stop trying to distract from the issue at hand With idiot semantics.

whether it’s cos he doesn’t have the skills to execute or is too scared to take a shot is irrelevant anyway. The outcome is the same. Close does not kick goals when he has opportunity to do so. Therefore his man will peel off and try and stop the players that do.
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Averages 1.5 shots on goal per game this season.
 
Seeds said:
Name one player in the history of the game who refused to ever take a shot ever? even Ben Simmons occasionally shoots for a 3 pointer.

when I say he doesn’t take shots in open play when in a position to snap a goal obviously I mean he rarely does. Not literally never. Any rational person would just assume that’s what I meant. stop trying to distract from the issue at hand With idiot semantics.

whether it’s cos he doesn’t have the skills to execute or is too scared to take a shot is irrelevant anyway. The outcome is the same. Close does not kick goals when he has opportunity to do so. Therefore his man will peel off and try and stop the players that do.
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He has kicked goals in 7 of his 10 games this year. Multiple goals in 2 of those.

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CatToTheFuture said:
So one goal below that benchmark and is an 18 game player. I don't see an issue
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You go let’s look at the data and then brought up data that isnt inconsistent with what we are all saying, especially in a side that has been winning most weeks, but you still think you have a point?

pretty much all his goals have either been from set shots after receiving a chip kick or goals kicked from the goal square. The only snap goal I can think of was from a set shot.


close has thé same problem as Corey Gregson although it’s worse as atleast Gregson could kick a long goal making him a little more dangerous up foward.
 
Seeds said:
tell me why that is not a reportable post?
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because you're acting like simmons isn't an absolute bozo. " even Ben Simmons occasionally shoots for a 3 pointer. " you mean he's literally shot maybe 5 threes in his career that haven't been heaves.

the dude has literally become worthless on one side of the floor because he's scared. scared to shoot a 3, scared to shoot a midrange, scared to be fouled and shoot free throws, hell he literally passed out of an open dunk in a close game because he's mentally scarred on offense.

he's literally scared at all levels of scoring offensively and anyone who watches the NBA can see that.
 
Seeds said:
You go let’s look at the data and then brought up data that isnt inconsistent with what we are all saying, especially in a side that has been winning most weeks, but you still think you have a point?

pretty much all his goals have either been from set shots after receiving a chip kick or goals kicked from the goal square. The only snap goal I can think of was from a set shot.


close has thé same problem as Corey Gregson although it’s worse as atleast Gregson could kick a long goal making him a little more dangerous up foward.
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So hang on, you're saying that the measure of greatness in a small forward is how many snap kicks for goal they take, and not pressure on the ball carrier, smart link up play, or offensive running?

I maintain you are intentionally blocking out all information that does not support your initial view and picking literally the one thing from his 18 games that could be used to support it so that you can avoid admitting that you were wrong.

I'm not saying he's eddie betts. I'm saying he has attributes that coaches would kill to have in a small forward, and given the hockey stick ramp up in his output he is tracking very nicely.
 

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