Brad Crouch

[Jeffcrowe]

As I said, IMO losing quality players has cost us a premiership. If you don't think that is too a high cost to pay than you probably shouldn't be posting on a football forum. Stick to sipping Latte's in the stands and chatting about the next episode of The Kardashians i.e. become a Port Power supporter.

Admit you may be right but who would you prefer out of Brad crouch/ brown vs Davis ?

It's not always clear cut .... Would definitely prefer to have Gunston ... Think he's our biggest loss outside of danger

 

[1990crow]

Admit you may be right but who would you prefer out of Brad crouch/ brown vs Davis ?

It's not always clear cut .... Would definitely prefer to have Gunston ... Think he's our biggest loss outside of danger

Pretty much. Without Danger going we also wouldn't have Menzel, Milera and Gore. All these three have the talent to be very good footballers.
Without Gunston leaving we don't target Tom Lynch. Or get Jenkins. Two major pillars of our current forward line.
Without Davis leaving there is no Brad Crouch or Luke Brown.
Our worst use of player leaving currency has been Nathan Bock. All we got was Richard Tambling, despite the fact we should have gotten a first rounder as compo from the AFL.
Also, looking back at the 2011 draft.. we took Kerridge at 27. Within the next ten picks Elliot Yeo, Jackson Merrett, Brad Hill, Jack Newnes all were available to us. We stuffed up there.

 

[Sanders]

Do you have evidence that they weren't first choices? They were allowed how many? And took how many?

I don't even understand the question. The big targets are public record

 

[BACCS]

This is the similar analysis Mattrox was relying on which is bogus.

Those Carlton players aren't a patch on what we lost but the main thing to consider is how badly the club wanted them to stay. Half of those players Carlton were happy to see go.

I really don't care, I'm very much regretting posting on the subject. I'm out.

 

[footy4ever]

Can we change the thread title to "Brad Crouch - don't worry, nothing's happened" please?

Every time I see it pop up, to me it looks like this - "BRAD CROUCH!!! and I soil my undergarments.

 

[beartoo]

Can we change the thread title to "Brad Crouch - don't worry, nothing's happened" please?

Every time I see it pop up, to me it looks like this - "BRAD CROUCH!!! and I soil my undergarments.

As long as it's not BRAD, OUCH!!!

 

[pjcrows]

He is blitzing it on the track which is good because he will be our most important player this year.

No pressure, kid.

 

[NTRabbit]

He is blitzing it on the track which is good because he will be our most important player this year.

Doesn't even matter how you rate him as a player, that statement is not remotely going to be true

 

[pjcrows]

Doesn't even matter how you rate him as a player, that statement is not remotely going to be true

Okay then. Sauce. Then B Crouch.

 

[My name geoff]

This is the similar analysis Mattrox was relying on which is bogus.

Those Carlton players aren't a patch on what we lost but the main thing to consider is how badly the club wanted them to stay. Half of those players Carlton were happy to see go.

Not sure it is,
danger >>>>>>>>>>>Robinson
Bock >> Waite
maric <<< Jacobs
Tippett > garlett
gunston = betts
Have to wait on menzel

Look at the players that left each club (not actively traded) and what each club got in return. I have excluded Tippett as the crows would have been compensated had they not been penalized for salary cap breaches.

Adelaide out: Danger, Bock, Maric, Gunston
Adelaide in: Gore, milera, Jenkins, Kerridge, Lynch, Pick 28, Tambling(retired)

Carlton Out: Waite, Jacobs, Garlett, Betts
Carlton In: McCarthy (Delisted), Clem Smith

In exchange for the Crows 4 losses, they were compensated with 7 opportunities to replenish their list.

Out of Carlton's 4 losses, they only received 2.

Each club can argue which players are more important to each club, but the fact is the crows were better compensated than Carlton.

 

[Tex200]

Okay then. Sauce. Then B Crouch.

Depends which context you're looking at. I tend to agree with you're first statement

 

[FR0GGY]

Look at the players that left each club (not actively traded) and what each club got in return. I have excluded Tippett as the crows would have been compensated had they not been penalized for salary cap breaches.

Adelaide out: Danger, Bock, Maric, Gunston
Adelaide in: Gore, milera, Jenkins, Kerridge, Lynch, Pick 28, Tambling(retired)

Carlton Out: Waite, Jacobs, Garlett, Betts
Carlton In: McCarthy (Delisted), Clem Smith

In exchange for the Crows 4 losses, they were compensated with 7 opportunities to replenish their list.

Out of Carlton's 4 losses, they only received 2.

Each club can argue which players are more important to each club, but the fact is the crows were better compensated than Carlton.

Except it wasn't about compensation it was about the quality of player lost.

 

[Sanders]

Look at the players that left each club (not actively traded) and what each club got in return. I have excluded Tippett as the crows would have been compensated had they not been penalized for salary cap breaches.

Adelaide out: Danger, Bock, Maric, Gunston
Adelaide in: Gore, milera, Jenkins, Kerridge, Lynch, Pick 28, Tambling(retired)

Carlton Out: Waite, Jacobs, Garlett, Betts
Carlton In: McCarthy (Delisted), Clem Smith

In exchange for the Crows 4 losses, they were compensated with 7 opportunities to replenish their list.

Out of Carlton's 4 losses, they only received 2.

Each club can argue which players are more important to each club, but the fact is the crows were better compensated than Carlton.

this analysis would work better if it were complete

 

[1970crow]

Doesn't even matter how you rate him as a player, that statement is not remotely going to be true

How far off is it? Show us your list from most to least important. Clump together where necessary.

 

[Sanders]

Admit you may be right but who would you prefer out of Brad crouch/ brown vs Davis ?

but misleading, as you forget we also gave up pick #10, the Davis part was the lesser part of the package.

their were some pretty handy players available at or around #10 that year:
Toby Greene
Sam Docherty
Devon Smith
Taylor Adams

add them to Davis, and consider Crouch's injuries and its not inconceivable that people might want a mullighan

 

[mistylake]

Look at the players that left each club (not actively traded) and what each club got in return. I have excluded Tippett as the crows would have been compensated had they not been penalized for salary cap breaches.

Adelaide out: Danger, Bock, Maric, Gunston
Adelaide in: Gore, milera, Jenkins, Kerridge, Lynch, Pick 28, Tambling(retired)

Carlton Out: Waite, Jacobs, Garlett, Betts
Carlton In: McCarthy (Delisted), Clem Smith

In exchange for the Crows 4 losses, they were compensated with 7 opportunities to replenish their list.

Out of Carlton's 4 losses, they only received 2.

Each club can argue which players are more important to each club, but the fact is the crows were better compensated than Carlton.

You forgot we gave them Trigg aswell, the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Scorpus]

but misleading, as you forget we also gave up pick #10, the Davis part was the lesser part of the package.

their were some pretty handy players available at or around #10 that year:
Toby Greene
Sam Docherty
Devon Smith
Taylor Adams

add them to Davis, and consider Crouch's injuries and its not inconceivable that people might want a mullighan

None of the players around Pick 10 were of the quality of Crouch

 

[Tex200]

None of the players around Pick 10 were of the quality of Crouch

That may well be true, but in terms of bang for buck the clock is well and truly ticking

 

[Stiffy_18]

You are way underestimating how good Brad Crouch is. If he stays fit he will well and truly make up for Danger. He wins so much inside ball and feeds it well. Danger was good at winning the ball as well but his disposal efficiency wasn't that good..... not yet anyway. (but I expect that will improve)

Our mid will be equal to better than last year with a fit Brad and improvement from the rest.

People keep saying this but keep forgetting a simple thing. Brad Crouch was recruited to add to Dangerfield in the midfield as a long term replacement for Scott Thompson. He was not recruited as a replacement for Dangerfield.

This is our big problem here, we lost Dangerfield at arguably most inopportune time (if there is ever a good time to lose a superstar player). I have no doubt that if Dangerfield signed on with us, Thompson would not have received another deal from us. If you look back at the timeline, Thommo had no offer from the club at all and it looked like he might not be getting a deal but as soon as Dangerfield told David Noble that he is out, we re-signed Thommo.

in 2017, Thommo will no longer be on our list so what should have been a midfield made up on Dangerfield, B. Crouch, M. Crouch and Douglas all of a sudden will be a Dangerfield short. Instead of 2 A graders you are down to 1 and no real means of attracting another real A grade midfielder while the rest of your list is peaking for the attack on the flag.

On your last comment there, that statement is so isolated. Would the rest of the guys improved if Dangerfield was still on our list. Of course there would be a level of improvement from them. That statement assumes that the rest of the competition won't be improving. Every team will improve to a certain degree but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that each and every one of us would be more comfortable going into 2016 if we still had Dangerfield in our midfield in addition to Brad Crouch than we are now.

A lot of things need to go right for us to have a midfield that is as good as the one we had last year and it's not as simple as just replacing Dangerfield with Brad Crouch. The impact of Dangerfield's departure on our midfield will have an effect on our team not just in 2016 but beyond that as well. It's not easy replacing a top 3 player in the league as some make it out to be. It's ****ing hard getting a superstar even with earlier picks let alone a team that consistently picks outside the top 10 in the draft.

 

[earlsta]

People keep saying this but keep forgetting a simple thing. Brad Crouch was recruited to add to Dangerfield in the midfield as a long term replacement for Scott Thompson. He was not recruited as a replacement for Dangerfield.

This is our big problem here, we lost Dangerfield at arguably most inopportune time (if there is ever a good time to lose a superstar player). I have no doubt that if Dangerfield signed on with us, Thompson would not have received another deal from us. If you look back at the timeline, Thommo had no offer from the club at all and it looked like he might not be getting a deal but as soon as Dangerfield told David Noble that he is out, we re-signed Thommo.

in 2017, Thommo will no longer be on our list so what should have been a midfield made up on Dangerfield, B. Crouch, M. Crouch and Douglas all of a sudden will be a Dangerfield short. Instead of 2 A graders you are down to 1 and no real means of attracting another real A grade midfielder while the rest of your list is peaking for the attack on the flag.

On your last comment there, that statement is so isolated. Would the rest of the guys improved if Dangerfield was still on our list. Of course there would be a level of improvement from them. That statement assumes that the rest of the competition won't be improving. Every team will improve to a certain degree but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that each and every one of us would be more comfortable going into 2016 if we still had Dangerfield in our midfield in addition to Brad Crouch than we are now.

A lot of things need to go right for us to have a midfield that is as good as the one we had last year and it's not as simple as just replacing Dangerfield with Brad Crouch. The impact of Dangerfield's departure on our midfield will have an effect on our team not just in 2016 but beyond that as well. It's not easy replacing a top 3 player in the league as some make it out to be. It's ******* hard getting a superstar even with earlier picks let alone a team that consistently picks outside the top 10 in the draft.

Sloane is A grade so we'd have 2x A grade mids with B Crouch and Sloane.

 

[VKCrow]

Sloane is A grade so we'd have 2x A grade mids with B Crouch and Sloane.

Boom!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Sloane is A grade so we'd have 2x A grade mids with B Crouch and Sloane.

OK forgive my oversight there but the principle is the same......Dangerfield, B, Crouch, Sloane as opposed to B. Crouch and Sloane.

Bottom line is you do not lose a top 3 player in the competition without feeling the loss unless you are Hawthorn and have plenty of other proven, quality cover in the pipeline.

Dangerfield was our best midfielder and top 3 player in the competition. If people think that we are not going to feel that loss, then they are on some seriously strong shit.

 

[Tex200]

Sloane is A grade so we'd have 2x A grade mids with B Crouch and Sloane.

B Crouch is certainly a potential A grader.

His capacity to play a full season and fulfil his A grade potential will be integral to our 2016, which is why he might be considered our most important player in 2016 even though he may not necessarily be the best.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Drawing a long bow to declare B Crouch an A grader before a ball is bounced in anger, given his injury record.

His capacity to play a full season and fulfil his A grade potential will be integral to our 2016, which is why he might be considered our most important player in 2016 even though he may not necessarily be the best.

I think in terms of his talent and production when he has been able to get on the park, there is little doubt that Brad Crouch is an A grader. Having said that, you are absolutely right in saying that we are way to quick to count on him when he has not been able to play a full season of AFL footy one in his AFL career. It's a massive IF for us and his talent level (A grade) is why he is our most important player for our chances in 2016. He comes back and plays a full season at his best, we are then a VERY different team to the one if he misses yet another year of football.

 

[earlsta]

I honestly think we'll improve more by replacing Van Berlo and MacKay in the line up with capable players that have speed and class like Hampton & Seedsman as opposed to swapping Dangerfield with Brad Crouch.