Brad Ebert

[kane249]

These guys can barely stay on the park, and to be honest Surjan would be a better shutdown defender than just about all of those smalls you named.

Surjan's hardly been a picture of health himself lately either. Butler's offensive game is just as important as his defensive game to our structure and Waters often drops back to cut off leading forward which is also important to our overall structure.

 

[Powerade 08]

Pettigrew on the other hand, wouldn't.

Still think both WA clubs will look at him for maybe a late pick or thrown into a trade.

Leaks goals at Port but has speed and takes the game on and is serviceable in a team that is playing well.

Who would Surjan displace out of Butler, Hurn, Waters, A.Selwood, Schofield, Glass, McKenzie?

Cox.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Surjan is something we have plenty of, we also have Mcginnity and Smith who can play his role. We need a rebounding half back with speed and foot skills, not shutdown defenders.

If Ebert wants to go we will take your PP, we should also push to swap second/third rounders.

 

[ausbacker]

Still think both WA clubs will look at him for maybe a late pick or thrown into a trade.

Leaks goals at Port but has speed and takes the game on and is serviceable in a team that is playing well.

Cox.

I remember seeing Pettigrew playing as a junior for West Perth. I'm not sure why he hasn't been given extended exposure as a high forward or wing in the AFL.

He has some concerns over his knees from reading the Port board synopsis. That would be a red flag one would think. Despite Ebert's limitations, he's proven to be consistent with his health and ability to get on the field when required.

Surjan is something we have plenty of, we also have Mcginnity and Smith who can play his role. We need a rebounding half back with speed and foot skills, not shutdown defenders.

If Ebert wants to go we will take your PP, we should also push to swap third rounders.

Proposing that is an embarrassing comment for all us West Coast supporters.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Who would Surjan displace out of Butler, Hurn, Waters, A.Selwood, Schofield, Glass, McKenzie?

Smith, Sheppard, Blayne Wilson, Brennan and Stevenson to boot as well.

 

[Obeanie1]

These guys can barely stay on the park, and to be honest Surjan would be a better shutdown defender than just about all of those smalls you named.

Agree. Butler and Waters are injury prone and if all were 100% fit Surjan would be the better shut down small defender.

Smith and Sheppard are running HBFers or wingmen.

B Wilson is still very young and needs a couple of years to get up to AFL level.

We have plenty of running HBFers and A Selwood as our shut down smallish back but even he gets found out by the smaller nippy forwards.

Surjan adds class and hardness in the one area down back we are not fully covered. Sure we wouldn't chase him directly but if Ebert wants a trade Surjan is a decent option.

 

[longdonkey]

I remember seeing Pettigrew playing as a junior for West Perth. I'm not sure why he hasn't been given extended exposure as a high forward or wing in the AFL.

I've would agree with that comment but saying that he plays at centre half forward at SANFL level and doesn't set the world on fire. I've seen him play forward at AFL level and i thing he got 5 one day in Tasmania.

Port likes to play him in an area where he can hurt another team with his disposal but in a team that is defending so much, the way we play doesn't suit his style (Much better with the ball than without it).

Loads of Port supporters are going to dispute this - I say go back and watch some tapes from 06-08.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I remember seeing Pettigrew playing as a junior for West Perth. I'm not sure why he hasn't been given extended exposure as a high forward or wing in the AFL.

He has some concerns over his knees from reading the Port board synopsis. That would be a red flag one would think. Despite Ebert's limitations, he's proven to be consistent with his health and ability to get on the field when required.

Proposing that is an embarrassing comment for all us West Coast supporters.

Really, and what would you propose pick and/or player wise? Because as far as I can see there is no player who I would want that will be involved in a trade and we won't get their first rounder, so tell me Einstein, if Ebert says he wants out I would like to hear your version of a better outcome.

I've seen alot of your drivel of late and no doubt you are another member who was forced to change their name because the community worked out you were a knob, no doubt paralleling your real life.

 

[Wargreymon90]

priority pick and broadbent for ebert?

 

[ausbacker]

Really, and what would you propose pick and/or player wise? Because as far as I can see there is no player who I would want that will be involved in a trade and we won't get their first rounder, so tell me Einstein, if Ebert says he wants out I would like to hear your version of a better outcome.

I've seen alot of your drivel of late and no doubt you are another member who was forced to change their name because the community worked out you were a knob, no doubt paralleling your real life.

I'm not the person proposing a priority pick for a 21 year old midfielder with more question marks than answers embarrassing the rest of the West Coast supporters offering reasonable propositions.

And for the record, I've proposed many, many points for discussion regarding Brad Ebert and equitable compensation without making West Coast supporters look like ignorant snobs with low football knowledge and market rate appreciation.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Proposing that is an embarrassing comment for all us West Coast supporters.

That would leave us with Picks 23, 28, 45 and 51.

I'm not sure we would use 51 but it will give us a pick 12 selections higher and that's no small thing if we use 4 picks.

 

[ausbacker]

That would leave us with Picks 23, 28, 45 and 51.

I'm not sure we would use 51 but it will give us a pick 12 selections higher and that's no small thing if we use 4 picks.

I made mention as one of my initial points in the thread that if Ebert was keen to move to Port Adelaide an exchange of 2nd round picks and a player of quality would seem about right (given the modified conditions for drafting now and for the next 5 seasons) for the very reasons you listed.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I'm not the person proposing a priority pick for a 21 year old midfielder with more question marks than answers embarrassing the rest of the West Coast supporters offering reasonable propositions.

And for the record, I've proposed many, many points for discussion regarding Brad Ebert and equitable compensation without making West Coast supporters look like ignorant snobs with low football knowledge and market rate appreciation.

Is that you Gunnar? Crawl back into your hole, nobody cares what you have to say, or how loud you feel you need to shout it.

Ebert was pick 13 in a pretty average draft and has to date not done enough to hold his value @ pick 13 in future drafts. IMO he is never going to be anything more than an average player given his skill set and ability to improve them.

If he asks to leave we will get unders unless Adelaide wants him which is highly unlikely given Rendell's opinion on him.

So you say I have no appreciation for market rate, well if Port is the only one in the market I think it is you that has no idea. Not going to get in a scratching and biting contest with you, I have better things to do.

 

[ausbacker]

Is that you Gunnar? Crawl back into your hole, nobody cares what you have to say, or how loud you feel you need to shout it.

Whatever issues you have with this poster I suggest you take it up with him/her.

Ebert was pick 13 in a pretty average draft and has to date not done enough to hold his value @ pick 13 in future drafts. IMO he is never going to be anything more than an average player given his skill set and ability to improve them.

I happen to agree with you that he's going to be a solid albeit unspectacular player. He'll be the dependable workhorse type of player that will more often than not do his job with some nice cameo performances.

Being selected at pick 13 in the draft suggests West Coast saw him as a value pick then. If the draft was re-done today, that may change or it may not. It's not an indicator or player quality it's an reflection of a review at a specific point in time. Dean Cox was a rookie elevation. Difference in quality of player? Enormous.

If he asks to leave we will get unders unless Adelaide wants him which is highly unlikely given Rendell's opinion on him.

That depends on the way in which you rate a player. There's been some ridiculous propositions on the West Coast board from a poster claiming to be "in the know" with intimate knowledge that West Coast will demand a top 10 pick for Ebert. If you're reasonable, you know that's a fanciful notion.

As mentioned, I'm neither here nor there. I'd prefer to keep him for the depth option he provides at West Coast. I also agree that we'll probably be on the lower spectrum of the trade scenario if he does decide to leave. What I am certain of is that West Coast has built a foundation on equitable trades and generally gets them done.

So you say I have no appreciation for market rate, well if Port is the only one in the market I think it is you that has no idea. Not going to get in a scratching and biting contest with you, I have better things to do.

Post some reasonable ideas and I'm sure we won't have to travel down this path again. Good day!

 

[Icanwalk]

Considering Ebert is out of contract and has possibly nominated Port as his preference, the most reasonable trades posted have been

Ebert + 1st rounder for Pearce + PP/2nd rounder
or
Ebert for Surjan + PP/2nd rounder

With the accompanying pick dependent on whether Ebert selects Port.

I'd also be interested in Ben Newton, could add something to our midfield rotations. Not sure how he could be involved though, probably not worth a straight swap?

 

[Peck]

Pearce for Ebert would never happen unless you had a top 10 pick, which you don't.

IMO the trade that could happen would be Ebert for 2nd Rounder, and possibly a player/3rd/4th rounder.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Considering Ebert is out of contract and has possibly nominated Port as his preference, the most reasonable trades posted have been

Ebert + 1st rounder for Pearce + PP/2nd rounder
or
Ebert for Surjan + PP/2nd rounder

With the accompanying pick dependent on whether Ebert selects Port.

I'd also be interested in Ben Newton, could add something to our midfield rotations. Not sure how he could be involved though, probably not worth a straight swap?

The first one is probably about right value wise but Pearce fills a run and carry role that we need badly so I can't see us willingly trading him out.

Ebert by himself is worth around that PP so the PP plus Surjan (who is a quality player who had one poor season due to injury) is way overs.

 

[CrimsonRaven]

Pearce will not be traded by Port unless your offering soming insane. While Pearce to any other team is just an above average player not worth a lot he is also Port's only outside running player with any pace and footskills.

The rest of our midfield bar Gray who spends just as much time in the forward pocket are inside extractors and contested ball winners who burn the ball as often as not. The last thing Port need to do is get rid of one our only consistant creative midfielders. Rodan can do it as well, but only 1 every 6 games, and his knees are surely going to be shot in a few years at the current rate.

I can see the Surjan trade happening however as he has seemingly been on the outer at Alberton this year with injuries and a possibly personality clash. He's also a western australian, and has shown in 2010 that he can play to an extreamly high standard with a full pre-season.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I made mention as one of my initial points in the thread that if Ebert was keen to move to Port Adelaide an exchange of 2nd round picks and a player of quality would seem about right (given the modified conditions for drafting now and for the next 5 seasons) for the very reasons you listed.

What list management needs require a player swap with a second round upgrade?

Out: Wilson, Dalziell, Bones, Ebert(T)

In: Hams, Pick 23, Pick 28, Pick 45

Draft's could look something like this for example.

McInnes, Nelson and Williams
Kresten, Manson and Ah Chee.

If we did ever find ourselves with their 3rd rounder and If Stevenson was delisted then Hill, Verrier, Yeo could come into consideration.

Surjan is a Dalziell like waste of time and list space. Ben Newton is ok but Nelson is better and would probably be around at 28.

 

[ausbacker]

What list management needs require a player swap with a second round upgrade?

Out: Wilson, Dalziell, Bones, Ebert(T)

In: Hams, Pick 23, Pick 28, Pick 45

Draft's could look something like this for example.

McInnes, Nelson and Williams
Kresten, Manson and Ah Chee.

If we did ever find ourselves with their 3rd rounder and If Stevenson was delisted then Hill, Verrier, Yeo could come into consideration.

Surjan is a Dalziell like waste of time and list space. Ben Newton is ok but Nelson is better and would probably be around at 28.

None do, it was a comment in response to Port Adelaide people proposing trade ideas for Brad Ebert.

 

[Obeanie1]

What list management needs require a player swap with a second round upgrade?

Out: Wilson, Dalziell, Bones, Ebert(T)

In: Hams, Pick 23, Pick 28, Pick 45

Draft's could look something like this for example.

McInnes, Nelson and Williams
Kresten, Manson and Ah Chee.

If we did ever find ourselves with their 3rd rounder and If Stevenson was delisted then Hill, Verrier, Yeo could come into consideration.

Surjan is a Dalziell like waste of time and list space. Ben Newton is ok but Nelson is better and would probably be around at 28.

You were sounding quite reasonable before you wrote this.

Surjan has had an injury interupted year and also had a falling out with Motlop big time. Prior to this he showed he is a very capable player and tough, finals tough. The type of player that helps win finals games of footy and can dominate the oppositions best small forward.

Nothing like Daziell at all.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Surjan is a Dalziell like waste of time and list space. Ben Newton is ok but Nelson is better and would probably be around at 28.

Wasn't it you talking up Newton last year in nearly every single draft related post?

 

[Powerade 08]

Wasn't it you talking up Newton last year in nearly every single draft related post?

This is bigfooty m8.

Surjan - 20something - list clogger

Newton - 19yo - half decent, past his peak

Nelson?? - 17yo - better than Judd

 

[Icanwalk]

The first one is probably about right value wise but Pearce fills a run and carry role that we need badly so I can't see us willingly trading him out.

Ebert by himself is worth around that PP so the PP plus Surjan (who is a quality player who had one poor season due to injury) is way overs.

Fair enough, It's true that Pearce is worth more to you guys than Ebert to us.

We're also in need of some run and carry through the midfield, and given Pearce's age, he'd seem a good fit. Dunno what it'l take though, Ebert and our first would be way overs.

I wouldn't say that Ebert for your second and Surjan is way overs, particuarly in this draft. He wasn't getting a game even when fit IIRC.

Surjan will add some depth in our backline and valuable experience for when Glass eventually retires. Nothing like the Dalziell trade.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Fair enough, It's true that Pearce is worth more to you guys than Ebert to us.

We're also in need of some run and carry through the midfield, and given Pearce's age, he'd seem a good fit. Dunno what it'l take though, Ebert and our first would be way overs.

I wouldn't say that Ebert for your second and Surjan is way overs, particuarly in this draft. He wasn't getting a game even when fit IIRC.

Surjan will add some depth in our backline and valuable experience for when Glass eventually retires. Nothing like the Dalziell trade.

Surjan wasn't fully fit all year, that is the point. Even when he did play he was getting subbed off. With a full preseason he will be back to his 2010 best in 2012. Port would only be considering trading him if he declares he wants to go.