Brad Ebert

[longdonkey]

Did you miss the pick 45 you also get? Compare the difference between pick 45 and pick 33 in terms of players still on list. I doubt its as big a deal as your making out.

With pick 28 and 33 Eagles will package it to trade for another first rounder I think or a grab at Mitch Clark. Without pick 33 our trade position is pretty much non existant.

If an upgrade from 33 to 45 isn't a big deal why do you want it? To compare apples with apples.

2003 33 Jed Adcock 45 Amon Buchanan
2006 33 Jarryd Morton 45 Brennan Stack
2009 33 Anthony Long 45 Sam Shaw
2010 33 Jeremy Howe 45 Alex Fasolo

The chance to get good player decreases exponentially the higher in the draft you go. If you're looking for a sweetener why don't you ask for an upgrade from 63 to 51?

 

[Powerade 08]

I think WC would be stupid to reject whatever is being offered up after they've milked it. Don't see it happening.

Port are paying for his name and WC employing his father and pumping 70 games into him hoping he'd come good. Outside of that he probably isn't worth a whole lot.

WC could easily come out of it with a better player.

 

[longdonkey]

Did you miss the pick 45 you also get? Compare the difference between pick 45 and pick 33 in terms of players still on list. I doubt its as big a deal as your making out.

With pick 28 and 33 Eagles will package it to trade for another first rounder I think or a grab at Mitch Clark. Without pick 33 our trade position is pretty much non existant.

So what you're saying is what you want is Mitch Clark and 45 for Ebert at the end of the day - and that's fair and you wouldn't be bending anyone over to do that? So that's guy who was in the All-Australian squad 12 months ago for a player who didn't make your first 22 for the last couple games of the season plus 45 of course.

Mmmmmmmmmm

 

[longdonkey]

Jesus, really? And what exempts you from not knowing shit about players from other states?

McGinnity and Ebert don't play nearly the same position, so PMac didn't get a game ahead of Ebert, he earned it in his own right. Ebert was left out due to Darling and Nicoski being in better form than he had shown in his last couple of games. Was best 22 for the bulk of the year, being best 22 doesn't mean you automatically get selected if your form doesn't command it.

John Butcher wasn't in the team all year until there was no chance you couldn't finish bottom two. He is therefore clearly not best 22 and should be a straight swap for Ebert. Though Ebert played 7 times the games Butcher did this season, so you should probably throw in #6 too.

And yes, the quote was a direct quote.

So Ebert wasn't getting a game because Pick 26 from last year has taken his place and he didn't play midfield all year because you have better skilled players to do the job. This is the reason why he has left and this is the primary reason why Port supporters think he is not worth more than pick 28.

Butcher has nothing to do with it as he's been injured for the best part of the 2 years he's been on our list - he has played 11 SANFL games before his AFL debut.

 

[Coledinho]

So what you're saying is what you want is Mitch Clark and 45 for Ebert at the end of the day - and that's fair and you wouldn't be bending anyone over to do that? So that's guy who was in the All-Australian squad 12 months ago for a player who didn't make your first 22 for the last couple games of the season plus 45 of course.

Mmmmmmmmmm

Wow, you talk alot of rubbish. First you ask me a question I answered in the very post you quoted then you come up with this trade theory I have never not once mentioned in this or any other thread. Personally id want Picks 22 28 33 and look to trade 1st rounder + Swift for Clark

That way we trade away two players, get one in and keep a decent position in the draft with picks 28 33 and 61 left

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Ebert is not worth 28 + 33.

Find a 3rd team to send us a pick in the 35-38 range and I may consider it.

 

[Coledinho]

Ebert is not worth 28 + 33.

Find a 3rd team to send us a pick in the 35-38 range and I may consider it.

Pick 45 is surely close enough...

 

[Schulzenfest]

Personally id want Picks 22 28 33 and look to trade 1st rounder + Swift for Clark

I'd want to trade pick 100 for Ebert too, but that doesn't mean that it's fair or should happen. Ebert isn't worth 28 + a pick upgrade from 33 to 45.

Players who have gone at 28 recently: Mitch Duncan, Shaun McKernan, Marlon Motlop, Chris Dawes. Motlop is clearly worth less, McKernan about on par and Duncan and Dawes clearly worth more. Plenty of other quality players went at the picks directly surrounding 28 too. Chances are the Eagles can get a player at least the equal of Brad Ebert with 28, and he's not under contract so you can't hold us to ransom. He's not worth anymore than 28.

 

[Coledinho]

Its a weak draft. Brad Ebert is one of two trades your club is trying to pull off. If you dont give up pick 33 to the Eagles you will certainly be asked and expected to give it up for a much lesser player like Renouf and Griffin who both in reality would represent a bigger rip off then Ebert is at pick 28.

 

[PortBrillance]

We won't trade pick 28 AND 33 for Ebert. If we do, I will burn down Alberton

 

[Coledinho]

We won't trade pick 28 AND 33 for Ebert. If we do, I will burn down Alberton

Ebert + pick 45. Leaving the pick 45 out of the equation is a pretty big thing to leave out. May aswell leave Ebert out of the trade next time too

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

33 and 45 is too much of a jump. Find a lower pick via 3rd team.

 

[Prem87]

33 and 45 is too much of a jump. Find a lower pick via 3rd team.

Not really when you consider Ebert is at least worth a Pick between 15-20.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Maybe if he learns to kick.

 

[Jonts]

Pick 45 is surely close enough...

There is no such thing as close enough

Port wanted to trade 9+16 for Melbourne pick 2

Melbourne wanted 8+9 or 8+16

port said surely 9+16 is enough, Melbourne said there isn't a thing as close enough, thats how it works if WCE want 28+33 port will want and get another pick 35-42

 

[bodazoka]

Maybe if he learns to kick.

If his kicking was not an issue he would be worth a top 5 pick. It's because if his kicking that he is worth 28 + 33 for Ebert and 45. IMO

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

He would be a top 5 pick if he could kick, gained a burst of speed, became a ball magnet, and had an x-factor game breaking potential.

Right now he's a slow player that butches his kicks and gets games because he was a poor first round draft choice and has Ebert on his surname.

 

[Mr B]

He would be a top 5 pick if he could kick, gained a burst of speed, became a ball magnet, and had an x-factor game breaking potential.

Right now he's a slow player that butches his kicks and gets games because he was a poor first round draft choice and has Ebert on his surname.

Not arguing too much with any of that. Except that his surname means NOTHING in WA.

 

[kaiserchief13]

He would be a top 5 pick if he could kick, gained a burst of speed, became a ball magnet, and had an x-factor game breaking potential.

Right now he's a slow player that butches his kicks and gets games because he was a poor first round draft choice and has Ebert on his surname.

Um no....see his games vs Geelong and Melbourne this year he has potential but his consistency is non existent. Granted his disposal isn't great but he is a good mark for his size and his kicking at goal isn't bad.

 

[bodazoka]

He would be a top 5 pick if he could kick, gained a burst of speed, became a ball magnet, and had an x-factor game breaking potential.

Right now he's a slow player that butches his kicks and gets games because he was a poor first round draft choice and has Ebert on his surname.

He is a ball magnet and kicks goals so...

Top 5 may be too high at least in the top 10-12 if his kicking was not a problem.

I don't think you have watched enough of him to have a complete view either.

 

[greennick]

Some people on here seem to think they're at the trade table.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Not really when you consider Ebert is at least worth a Pick between 15-20.

No, he's really not. Slow, mainly outside (at least on the role he's played at AFL level so far) players who can't kick are not worth a pick between 15-20. Personally I think 28 is being generous.

at least in the top 10-12 if his kicking was not a problem.

Maybe so, but his kicking is a big problem, so 28 it is.

 

[Brown Bottle]

I've seen him play. If my club gave up a pick in the first round for him I'd be pretty unhappy, and no, I'm not trolling. Draft picks are historically over-valued, but in this instance I'd prefer my club to go to the well than to add Ebert to the playing list.

 

[longdonkey]

God I hope this trade gets done tomorrow because this thread is going nowhere!
Just an aside will taunting West Coast fans and drawing ass signs (!) prompt a Yellow Card when the deal gets done for 28?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I think 28 isn't entirely unreasonable. Would like more and believe he's worth more but I think it'll end up being Ebert for 28