Brad Ebert

[archiemoses]

lol, this is an oxymoron. If Port wanted him 'desperately', a deal would have been done. A deal has not been done, so Port don't want him 'desperately'.

Of course he is wanted at Port Adelaide, though Port don't need to offer our 2nd and 3rd picks to get him. Why would Port rush a trade not weighted in our favour when Port are in a no lose situation? If we don't trade there is a 50% chance (IMO) of him lasting to Ports PSD pick.

Negotiating 101. Don't appear desparate. Quite simple really.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

People dont realise that we are taking mostly mature agred recruits this season. Mitch Clark will hopefully be traded in and on top of that we will probably get McGilligan (24 yr old from Claremont) who should be available at pick 100 odd anyway.

We really just need 2 picks inside the top 30 to set us up and that is all. That way we can get the two mature aged recruits in and also get 2 young replacements at the same time

Westcoast don't go deep in shallow drafts. 07 (4 top 25) 09 (3 top 25) and last season with the compromised draft ( 3 top 30). In 06 and 08 we picked up 5 in each of these drafts.

We won't get Mitch Clark and Gilligan is one of many players we will look at in the RD.

 

[PieBeast]

I don't think it is posturing to be working to get 28 actually on the table. Do you even know what posturing means? It is not like we're trying to impress anyone here, we're trying to get the best deal in the circumstances, given his true value in an open market likely won't be attainable.

I know precisely what posturing means mate, its what most of your brethren are doing ITT.
But I wasn't aware pick 28 wasn't on the table yet, you'll do well to get that for an average player like Ebert.

 

[Max zero]

Gee the offended knowing that you wasted a first round pick on a guy that was always going to want to play for Port at some stage or another is really ringing true.

What you should be asking is why didn't Adelaide pick him up especially when he was touted as being better than Dangerfield. They knew he was always going to be a risk with regards to his Port Adelaide heritage. They knew, Port knew, WCE didn't.

You guys wasted a pick and now your going to have to take whatever Port are kind enough to offer you as we are a very good chance of picking him up in the PSD.

WCE can posture all they like they are in no position to bargain here, you are not going to "win" this trade.

Pick 33 is what i would offer and would only offer 28 if there was something extra in it for us.

Its that or he walks to the PSD and we know we will eventually get our man even if it takes an extra year.

What you need to understand is that he belongs at Port Adelaide and he knows that.

Well at least your willing to admit you are screwing us over.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I think given the circumstances we should just take Pick 28 and try to minimise our losses, no point being a hero and rejecting Port's offer seeing as we'll lose him for nothing.

Think we're losing the trade but not much you can do when a player is uncontracted and he nominates a club. It's just a shame there isn't really much on Port's list that could have been added to the Pick to even it up, but they have the upper hand so we'll have to be happy with what we get.

 

[PAUR]

Negotiating 101. Don't appear desparate. Quite simple really.

Awesome but I didn't use the word desperate to describe Ports need for Ebert a WCE fan said we are despearte to get him.

desperate - showing extreme urgency or intensity especially because of great need or desire

Our actions haven't been desperate even if it's eating us up inside that WCE didn't take pick 6, 29 & 33 on our first offer.

 

[greennick]

I know precisely what posturing means mate, its what most of your brethren are doing ITT.
But I wasn't aware pick 28 wasn't on the table yet, you'll do well to get that for an average player like Ebert.

That is all BF is all about, no? It is exactly what the Port supporters in here are doing too.

But West Coast (as in the guys actually at the trade table), which you referred to in your post, have not been posturing in their statements. They're just trying to get fair value.

 

[greennick]

I think given the circumstances we should just take Pick 28 and try to minimise our losses, no point being a hero and rejecting Port's offer seeing as we'll lose him for nothing.

Think we're losing the trade but not much you can do when a player is uncontracted and he nominates a club. It's just a shame there isn't really much on Port's list that could have been added to the Pick to even it up, but they have the upper hand so we'll have to be happy with what we get.

That is all well and good, however as Pick 28 hasn't been offered yet, negotiation is still required to get it to happen.

 

[archiemoses]

Awesome but I didn't use the word desperate to describe Ports need for Ebert a WCE fan said we are despearte to get him.

desperate - showing extreme urgency or intensity especially because of great need or desire

Our actions haven't been desperate even if it's eating us up inside that WCE didn't take pick 6, 29 & 33 on our first offer.

So about 5 mins after the eagles announced Ebert requests a trade home, Port Adelaide release a statement saying that they have become aware Ebert has requested a trade home and will begin negotiations with the eagles.

And I believe there is great desire to reunite Ebert with his family at Port.

So thank you Oxford dictionary.

 

[HFF]

Pick 28 more than fair offer to secure a trade.

Not sure why WCE is holding out at the moment, it really is a pointless exercise to drag and carry out for a player Port could potentially get for nothing via the PSD.

 

[greennick]

Pick 28 more than fair offer to secure a trade.

Not sure why WCE is holding out at the moment, it really is a pointless exercise to drag and carry out for a player Port could potentially get for nothing via the PSD.

Maybe because pick 28 hasn't even been offered yet...

 

[archiemoses]

Per WCE website:

6:29 PM Tue 04 Oct, 2011 "Ebert leaves nest"

Per PA website:

6:00 PM Tue 04 Oct, 2011 "Brad Ebert Wants Trade to Port Adelaide"

I stand corrected, they were 30 mins ahead of the Eagles. LOL

 

[PAUR]

I think we were 'desperate' for good news but I was referring to the lack of trade activity today.

If we were desperate you would have pick 6. I can't see how Port are desperate to get him when we haven't paid overs for him and are unlikey too.

I think it will be pick 28, I would personally aim for pick 33. Which is how I think today played out.

 

[archiemoses]

I think we were 'desperate' for good news but I was referring to the lack of trade activity today.

If we were desperate you would have pick 6. I can't see how Port are desperate to get him when we haven't paid overs for him and are unlikey too.

I think it will be pick 28, I would personally aim for pick 33. Which is how I think today played out.

If you gave us pick 6, you wouldn't be desperate, you'd be stupid.

Plus, you don't go out on day 1 and give your best deal, that is not how you negotiate.

 

[West Coast 06]

Pick 28 more than fair offer to secure a trade.

Says who?

Collingwood just traded pick 25 for a rookie and a guy your last coach said he had serious concerns about in regards to his committment to the team, amongst other things. But wanting more than pick 28 for a player in our best 22 who is hard and committed to the contest, and always did the team things is asking too much?

 

[PAUR]

If we were desperate, we wouldn't negotiate though. That's not what the word means.

 

[strengthwithin]

I know this won't happen but this is what I think is fair:

Port Lose - Pick 6 + Pick 28
Port Gain - Griffen, Ebert, Pick 23 & Pick 35

(Fills 2 needs, big price but structurally makes them straight away a better team. Without bias probably still the loser of the lot though)

Eagle Lose - Ebert + 23
Eagles Gain - Mitch Clark

(Seems fair)

Adeliade Lose - Tippett + Pick 35
Adelaide Gain - Pick 6

(Probably the biggest winner but Tippett is contracted)

Brisbane Gain - Tippett
Brisbane Lose - Clark + Pick 29

(I think Brisbane would do this)

Fremantle Lose - Griffen
Fremantle Gain - Pick 28 + Pick 29

(May also be losing but they will receive 2 picks for their 3rd ruckman)

 

[Dirt Track]

lol at the Port 'supporters' in this thread.

A Win in trade week doesnt give you 4 points.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

None of that will happen due to the fact that Griffin and Tippett aren't leaving their respective clubs.

 

[PortBrillance]

Gee the offended knowing that you wasted a first round pick on a guy that was always going to want to play for Port at some stage or another is really ringing true.

What you should be asking is why didn't Adelaide pick him up especially when he was touted as being better than Dangerfield. They knew he was always going to be a risk with regards to his Port Adelaide heritage. They knew, Port knew, WCE didn't.

You guys wasted a pick and now your going to have to take whatever Port are kind enough to offer you as we are a very good chance of picking him up in the PSD.

WCE can posture all they like they are in no position to bargain here, you are not going to "win" this trade.

Pick 33 is what i would offer and would only offer 28 if there was something extra in it for us.

Its that or he walks to the PSD and we know we will eventually get our man even if it takes an extra year.

What you need to understand is that he belongs at Port Adelaide and he knows that.

Fantastic post. Sums it up for me.

The shoe is now on the other foot, and we should try and do everything to get Ebert at 33 or PSD. 28 would be a steal also, but if WC took 33, we'd be raping them.

West Coast will lose this trade either way. Ebert is worth more than 28 (only a little bit more mind you) but at pick 33, we are laughing

 

[strengthwithin]

None of that will happen due to the fact that Griffin and Tippett aren't leaving their respective clubs.

Fremantle Griffen not the Bulldogs one.

Said he wants to leave hence why Tippett is the only contracted one that the club wants to keep thus meaning having to pay overs for him.

 

[HFF]

Maybe because pick 28 hasn't even been offered yet...

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/10/10/port-offer-pick-28-for-ebert/

According to that article it has been offered...

Says who?

Collingwood just traded pick 25 for a rookie and a guy your last coach said he had serious concerns about in regards to his committment to the team, amongst other things. But wanting more than pick 28 for a player in our best 22 who is hard and committed to the contest, and always did the team things is asking too much?

Pick 28, IMO is more than fair. He is not a gun footballer to be commanding a first rounder.

Also, wasn't he dropped out of your finals side? Hardly a best 22 player. He is a fringe player on the peripherals of your team.

As for our trade for Clarke, we weren't ever going to trade out players because we have no need to and secondly our next pick was in the 40s- GWS would not have accepted this as it would have been a useless pick to them as they probably would have finished their active draft picks by then.

We also got another live pick thrown into the deal that will assist us in the upcoming draft as well as a player we obviously felt was worthy to be included in the package.

We feel we have received pretty good value from that.

 

[archiemoses]

If we were desperate, we wouldn't negotiate though. That's not what the word means.

You are desparate for his services, but you won't be desparate in the negotiations, but when push comes to shove, you'll meet WCE valuation or he will got to PSD.

WCE valuation is not unreasonable, we are not asking for pick 6, but an end of first rounder.

I have no probs if he goes to PSD. We lose pick 33.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The shoe is now on the other foot, and we should try and do everything to get Ebert at 33 or PSD. 28 would be a steal also, but if WC took 33, we'd be raping them.

I don't think there is much to be gained from 'raping' other teams at the trade table other than making enemies for future potential trades. It makes your team appear sneaky and teams will be reluctant to trade with you in the future.

 

[PortBrillance]

None of that will happen due to the fact that Griffin and Tippett aren't leaving their respective clubs.

Thank god for that. We don't pick up a spud ruckman and crows don't pick up pick 4. We are still in the box seat for Wingard