Brad Fisher is Overrated

[OZBomb]

Very rare that I actually create a thread, but I thought I would following the condemning I got from some people regarding the notion of dropping Brad Fisher this week.

Young Bradley Fisher has proven two things in his time at Carlton.

1) He's a fantastic mark and always gets into great position to mark.

2) He's not particularly good at anything else.

* He very rarely kicks to advantage in the field of play.
* He constantly deflates the team with his poor goal kicking.
* His handballs miss targets and lack penetration.
* He tackles rarely.
* He doesn't apply forward pressure.
* His decision making, beyond marking, is awful.
* He's ineffective at ground level.

- I don't want this to sound like too much of a Richmond 'eating their own' thread. Brad Fisher in some senses is a good player, but he is not jesus and he will not spoon with you on a cold night. He was a good late pick-up and a role player, but let's not get carried away.

 

[CarltonFan]

and who do you suggest we replace him with?

 

[Blueinblood]

He will be very handy if we still have him next year in a 3 pronged forward line with Mckinley

 

[Team Mo']

Agree he is overrated.

But we aint got much else. He would be alright as a 3rd or 4th tall but as our best CHf he isn't good enough.

 

[OZBomb]

and who do you suggest we replace him with?

No one to replace him with at the moment which is the problem. I would actually prefer we play Cloke in Fisher's role and rotate two of Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer through the seniors.

As Team Mo said, as a 3rd or 4th tall, he's fine for now.

 

[Jimthegreat]

He must've done very well in the first place to be over-rated after being a pick 72.

 

[Team Mo']

No one to replace him with at the moment which is the problem. I would actually prefer we play Cloke in Fisher's role and rotate two of Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer through the seniors.

As Team Mo said, as a 3rd or 4th tall, he's fine for now.

Yeh the rotation of the youngsters is needed but can they hold a CHF and play ruck?

Will be tough for them to swap with no rest on the bench.

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

Very rare that I actually create a thread, but I thought I would following the condemning I got from some people regarding the notion of dropping Brad Fisher this week.

Young Bradley Fisher has proven two things in his time at Carlton.

1) He's a fantastic mark and always gets into great position to mark.

2) He's not particularly good at anything else.

* He very rarely kicks to advantage in the field of play.
* He constantly deflates the team with his poor goal kicking.
* His handballs miss targets and lack penetration.
* He tackles rarely.
* He doesn't apply forward pressure.
* His decision making, beyond marking, is awful.
* He's ineffective at ground level.

- I don't want this to sound like too much of a Richmond 'eating their own' thread. Brad Fisher in some senses is a good player, but he is not jesus and he will not spoon with you on a cold night. He was a good late pick-up and a role player, but let's not get carried away.

Add slow runner/chasing to that list

 

[Jimthegreat]

Marks very well, courageous, hits the ball hard. Last year about 40 goals at 72% accuracy rate. This year not as good but that happens. Shown to be more dangerous the last couple of weeks, especially the Richmond game, when played closer to goal. Previously was taking his 8-10 marks up the ground as a decent link-up player but was alot less effective.

 

[OZBomb]

He must've done very well in the first place to be over-rated after being a pick 72.

I just think people make him out to be something he's not. No one's questioning the effort he's put in.

 

[OZBomb]

Marks very well, courageous, hits the ball hard. Last year about 40 goals at 72% accuracy rate. This year not as good but that happens. Shown to be more dangerous the last couple of weeks, especially the Richmond game, when played closer to goal. Previously was taking his 8-10 marks up the ground as a decent link-up player but was alot less effective.

Our open style last year probably helped that, has a different sort of role now (Small CHF) which as you mention isn't helping.

 

[Pie_squasher]

No one to replace him with at the moment which is the problem. I would actually prefer we play Cloke in Fisher's role and rotate two of Jacobs, Hampson and Kreuzer through the seniors.

As Team Mo said, as a 3rd or 4th tall, he's fine for now.

Jacobs is a hack!!!! Cloke is an ordinary footballer (who tries his heart out) who isn't a long term option, Kreuzer will be a gun but needs time and Hampson is a question mark (could be very, very good or the other extreme)....

Fisher is a proven performer who is unfortunately going through a rough trot...give him a break

 

[BlueMania]

Personally , as others have also suggested in previous threads , I think he should play a lot closer to goal . He is a very good mark and 1 on 1 will beat most opponents . I don't like seeing him so far up the ground as he is a forward .

 

[Jimthegreat]

On the radio the other day someone (a recruiter I think) mentioned we look too much at what a player can't do, not so much what they CAN do. Some have weaknesses but bring something to the table others can't. The beauty of 38 blokes on a list, they bring different strengths and weaknesses, which all hopefully blend nicely. Some things are certainly essentials though.

 

[Bluebear]

I just think people make him out to be something he's not. No one's questioning the effort he's put in.

I'd rate him as the second best forward in the club.

Hence, he plays each week. We aren't the Cats. We haven't had depth in our starting 22 for years. We are getting there gradually, and some guys that have played 50-60 games like Fisher, Thornton, Carrazzo etc, who may have battled in other teams, will start to feel the squeeze in coming years as we get more talent, but right now.........

Beg to differ?

His deficiencies are many, and ATM his one strength, overhead contested marking is off the boil.

How did you rate him and who do you think should replace him?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I'd rate him as the second best forward in the club.

Hence, he plays each week. We aren't the Cats. We haven't had depth in our starting 22 for years. We are getting there gradually, and some guys that have played 50-60 games like Fisher, Thornton, Carrazzo etc, who may have battled in other teams, will start to feel the squeeze in coming years as we get more talent, but right now.........

Beg to differ?

His deficiencies are many, and ATM his one strength, overhead contested marking is off the boil.

How did you rate him and who do you think should replace him?

True Dat, His great hands is the biggest myth going around ATM and i have been saying this for about 6 weeks. Appears to make more out of some of his marks by trying to avoid contact or ducking his head.

Will need a huge pre season to improve in a few areas IMO.

 

[Bluebear]

True Dat, His great hands is the biggest myth going around ATM and i have been saying this for about 6 weeks. Appears to make more out of some of his marks by trying to avoid contact or ducking his head.

Will need a huge pre season to improve in a few areas IMO.

In past years he has been a good "one grab" player, but seems to be "two grabbing" a lot more these days.

Not sure what the technical issue is, but it has hurt us up forward this year.

 

[OZBomb]

Jacobs is a hack!!!! Cloke is an ordinary footballer (who tries his heart out) who isn't a long term option, Kreuzer will be a gun but needs time and Hampson is a question mark (could be very, very good or the other extreme)....

Fisher is a proven performer who is unfortunately going through a rough trot...give him a break

I'm not sure what indicates to you he is as a proven performer. That's part of the problem, people think he's a proven performer and he most definately isn't. He's inconsistent and his best isn't even all that great.

 

[West_Lever19]

i noticed something about him on friday night, he always gets in the way of the leading players and tries to take it.

 

[OZBomb]

Bluebear's right... He probably is the second best forward at our club. It's a sign of the times unfortunately.

I just look at a bloke who broke in 6 years ago and think "Where have you improved in the past 6 years?" And the only thing I can come up with is his reading of the game is marginally better (It's always been quite good, along with his marking.)

 

[HBF]

I think that is a fair assesment on Fisher, and I would forgive all of that if the guy had more reliability when it came to his kicking. The problem is that he has no momentum through his kicking motion, in fact, he almost stops, and leans back way too far when he makes contact with the footy. This in turn sends the ball from left to right.

Let him play out there year, and I would actually put him up for trade at years end, especially whilst he has some value left in him. I know we are already lacking talls up forward, but we might just be able to nab one in trade week. We can also move Waite back there, especially now since guys like Jamo and Bower are cementing their places in the 18.

 

[prettyboy65]

im not sure
i have been wanting to drop him based on form
give him a run in the ants to get his confidence back

i would play hampson and kruezer in the ruck
and cloke at CHF (works hard, full of courage, good skills, just lacks height to be a ruckman, could be moulded into a great CHF)

 

[The Coach]

Yep his overhead marking is off the boil - lunging at second grabs thus going to ground and consequently being out of the contest when the lunge fails. Noticed that some of the marks he took on Friday he opted to take on his chest - is pretty unusual nowadays.

The fact that he did not contest when the only Blue in the goal square on a couple of occasions did not look good (I forgot to revisit them - there could have been reasons)

 

[Bluebear]

Let him play out there year, and I would actually put him up for trade at years end, especially whilst he has some value left in him. I know we are already lacking talls up forward, but we might just be able to nab one in trade week. We can also move Waite back there, especially now since guys like Jamo and Bower are cementing their places in the 18.

Not to mention Austin coming through the ranks next year........maybe at the end of this year.

 

[HBF]

Not to mention Austin coming through the ranks next year........maybe at the end of this year.

Absolutely. There is no reason at all that at some stage next year, we could chose from the following talls to play back for us:

Jamo
Carlos
Thornton
Bower
Waite
Austin