Brett Thornton

[reg_lower91]

Would you trade him? If yes, what/who for?

Don't know whether i would. From an outsider's point of view (don't know what he's like at training or on match day) but it seems his atitude is poor. Don't think he plays for the club and only really seems to give a damn and make an effort when he's moved on to a different player.

 

[one_twelve112]

Zero heart, zero passion, zero commitment from Thornton. Gives his teammates a spray week-in, week-out. He looks disinterested and we need to get rid of him.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Well the guy has asked to be traded a number of times.

 

[Faz 2000]

I think Thornton has done a bloody good job over the years, pretty much constantly over-matched in a backline that was getting absolutely shelled every game.

Clearly Waite is a superior defender, and soon-if-not-already Jamison and Bower will go past him too. BUT, that doesn't mean he's not worth having around. He is by far the most experienced player we have back there, and experience is a real, valuable thing. He can calm Bower if he gets rattled, he can show Jammo where to be. His disposal, I have always thought, is quite OK if unspectacular, and he's capable of generating some reasonable run.

He's not a star, but he's solid, especially if he's playing 3rd or 4th defender.

Yeh, I'd trade him if someone gave the right deal - he's not "must have" - but he's not worth nothing, and I think he can and will continue to contribute in our emerging backline.

 

[one_twelve112]

I think Thornton has done a bloody good job over the years, pretty much constantly over-matched in a backline that was getting absolutely shelled every game.

Clearly Waite is a superior defender, and soon-if-not-already Jamison and Bower will go past him too. BUT, that doesn't mean he's not worth having around. He is by far the most experienced player we have back there, and experience is a real, valuable thing. He can calm Bower if he gets rattled, he can show Jammo where to be. His disposal, I have always thought, is quite OK if unspectacular, and he's capable of generating some reasonable run.

He's not a star, but he's solid, especially if he's playing 3rd or 4th defender.

Yeh, I'd trade him if someone gave the right deal - he's not "must have" - but he's not worth nothing, and I think he can and will continue to contribute in our emerging backline.

It isn't so much whether he can or can't play the game for me, it is the insipid, heartless performance he puts in and the constant sprays he gives teammates that I have a massive issue with.

 

[Kramer1]

Well the guy has asked to be traded a number of times.

He has?

Poor bastard can't take a trick. Whether he wanted out or not, he has battled on through our darkest period, oftem playing well beyond his physical means.

He's showed some reasonable form at times this year, and has clearly carried his knee injury since returning.

Im not averse to trading him if the right deal comes along, in the same way Im not averse to trading any player if the right deal comes along, but I think people are over-estimating the depth of our young backline at present.

Quality defenders are generally not too think on the ground come trade time, and I don't think he could be easily replaced.

 

[4blues]

If he asks to be traded then yes lets get the best deal we can for him, agree that his body language at times is poor and that could be because he doesnt want to be at the club. If thats the case trade him, if not tell him to show leadership in defence and make him feel like he is in control of that part of the ground. Is he in the Leadership group?

 

[The Grover]

Should be traded, we need some guys in the backline that can actually penetrate with kicking skills.

I currently can't see anyone of our backline group that has elite kicking skills.

Carrazzo
Thornton
Browne
Armfield
Austin
Anderson

All these guys are nothing special kicking wise.

Bower,Jamison & Waite are probably above average.

Therefore I won't be disappointed if we pick up Hurley.

 

[pumped]

He has?

Poor bastard can't take a trick. Whether he wanted out or not, he has battled on through our darkest period, oftem playing well beyond his physical means.

He's showed some reasonable form at times this year, and has clearly carried his knee injury since returning.

Im not averse to trading him if the right deal comes along, in the same way Im not averse to trading any player if the right deal comes along, but I think people are over-estimating the depth of our young backline at present.

Quality defenders are generally not too think on the ground come trade time, and I don't think he could be easily replaced.

Perhaps our darkest period had something to do with the attitudes of guys like Thronton and not as much to do the salary cap restrictions that Pagan heavily promoted. Thornton is a gifted footballer in my opinion but like some other experienced players on our list has yet to master his mental stability.

 

[Kramer1]

Perhaps our darkest period had something to do with the attitudes of guys like Thronton and not as much to do the salary cap restrictions that Pagan heavily promoted. Thornton is a gifted footballer in my opinion but like some other experienced players on our list has yet to master his mental stability.

Righto then...

All along I thought it had to do with gross mis-management of the playing list, a self sabotaging board that left the club on the brink of financial ruin, a decade wasteful picks and draft blunders, the most severe draft and financial penalties ever awarded, sub-standard training facilities and coaching resources, and of course the El Nino weather phenomena.

But in a few well chosen words you have been able to narrow it all down to Bret Thornton's poor attitude.

I yield to your clearly superior ability to reason.

 

[serenityNow]

Been saying it for years ( Thorntons Attitude). Everyone points at Fev when he gets the shits or gives a team mate a spray, but Thornton is just as bad. Would like to keep him but if he asked to be traded again......i would definately get rid of him as it would be the 3rd request and he clearly wouldnt wanna stay.

Also, dont blame Thornton for our dark days, he did the best he could playing a lone hand down back at a young age.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Thornton is no world beater but puts in an honest game each week...though I agree he can crack the sads at times and it's something he will have to work on if he is to enter the leadership group. Hope he stays at Carlton, since that's where he started. Should be close to 150 games by the end of next year...

 

[on the 50]

Would you trade him? If yes, what/who for?

Don't know whether i would. From an outsider's point of view (don't know what he's like at training or on match day) but it seems his atitude is poor. Don't think he plays for the club and only really seems to give a damn and make an effort when he's moved on to a different player.

bower reminds me of young scarlet jamo is a gun.and ohalpin needs to bulk up again,which means thornton will play his best footy on the the h.b.f, and for austin i think he will become a forward

 

[AlecDuncan]

Never underestimate a BigFooty thread for Teh Stupid.

 

[Korn]

I hate the fact that he is always in a jogging pace and the only times he has shown aggression is when he is yelling his team mates instead of showing aggression in going for the ball.
Jamison took his spot ever since his very first game, give Bower a pre-season and a full season of senior games he too will take Thornton's spot, Austin is going alright too at the moment. Given that Thornton has not improved much for the past 3 years, his long term future at Carlton is not looking too good.

 

[Silvagnis]

Keep unless we get a good trade.

Can't afford to lose a player who beat Didak twice as well as beating Brett Ebert and Robert Murphy.

Spraying your teammates isn't a good look, but understandable when unaccountable teammates up the ground make your job as a defender a living hell. :NickStevens:

Waite sprayed a teammate as well on Saturday, but who's bagging him for that?

Or criticising Fevola for his attitude?

I suspect one of the reasons supporters are anti-Thornton and anti-Russell is because both wanted out two years ago.

Never underestimate a BigFooty thread for Teh Stupid.

The Usual Suspects are out in force after a loss...

 

[Premiership Quarter]

We should definately trade him. he has currency at the moment given he is a solid defender and has a higher rep at other clubs than his own. We will lose nothing by moving him on. He cant kick, has poor decision making ability, has a poor attitude and is at best an average defender. Any loss we would get by losing him would be offset by the goals that we wont get kicked against us becasue of his turnovers particualrly on the last line. I would say a second rd pick is definately on teh cards and probably market value....By the way ditto for Carrazzo. In fact a direct swap Lovett for Carrazzo would be a goer.

 

[Gozz]

We should definately trade him. he has currency at the moment given he is a solid defender and has a higher rep at other clubs than his own. We will lose nothing by moving him on. He cant kick, has poor decision making ability, has a poor attitude and is at best an average defender. Any loss we would get by losing him would be offset by the goals that we wont get kicked against us becasue of his turnovers particualrly on the last line. I would say a second rd pick is definately on teh cards and probably market value.

Shhh don't let the other clubs know he is crap.

 

[pumped]

Keep unless we get a good trade.

Can't afford to lose a player who beat Didak twice as well as beating Brett Ebert and Robert Murphy.

Spraying your teammates isn't a good look, but understandable when unaccountable teammates up the ground make your job as a defender a living hell. :NickStevens:

Waite sprayed a teammate as well on Saturday, but who's bagging him for that?

Or criticising Fevola for his attitude?

I suspect one of the reasons supporters are anti-Thornton and anti-Russell is because both wanted out two years ago.

The Usual Suspects are out in force after a loss...

I am one of the ones questioning his attitude and it had nothing to do with him wanting to leave the club or because we lost on the weekend. I believe that he should be a top class player but that he hinders himself with a victim mentality. He is not on his own with this. There are a few others at the club also.Too often he is slow in reaction times and lets his forwards get off him way too easily. However to look at his effort on Brown in the last qtr against Brisbane it is obvious that he can stop even the best when he is switched on. Cannot speak for the other supporters who may be the usual suspects but I cannot see anything wrong in having an opinion about how we could improve.

 

[Bluebear]

oftem playing well beyond his physical means.

Not so much this year though.

Jammo plays beyond his physical means week in and out......he does o.k.

My biggest problem with Thornton is he takes way too long to make a decision and kick when he marks across HB.

In the games vs Roos and Hawks with the 18 man zone, you must take your first option, hit the target and run on to receive.

Too many times, Thornton, amongst others, took the mark.....burned the first option......waled back.....burned the second option......and now is faced with the zone and trying to hit a target or hope for a big grab.

Have a look this week at how the Dogs will play the zone, or how the Cats played it a few weeks ago.

Play on quickly into space and run hard to help out.

He is tradable (i.e. has some value) and with Bower, Jamison, Waite, Setanta and Austin I think we can afford to lose him if it means we can fill a gap in our list.

Trade if the deal is suitable.

 

[one_twelve112]

My biggest problem with Thornton is he takes way too long to make a decision and kick when he marks across HB.

He kills all our momentum coming out of the backline...

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

I actually rate T-Bird as a pretty handy player. He's played out of his depth ever since he started, and is generally pretty classy with his disposals. He was good early this season prior to getting injured (was absolutely on fire in round 1), and my own way of looking at his tantrums is that he's passionate about having big scores kicked against us. Maybe he's been permanently mentally scarred by having to play alongside the steaming Livingstone for all those games ?

All that aside, he's now probably behind Waitey, Jammo and possibly the Emu in terms of importance in our back half, so i guess he's not an untouchable if the right trade deal was presented.

 

[thylacine60]

He kills all our momentum coming out of the backline...

Possibly the most succinct, accurate criticism of him yet.

 

[Banga19]

Thornton + 24 for Hawthorn's pick 15?

 

[Bluebear]

Thornton + 24 for Hawthorn's pick 15?

If we want to insult them I can think of less complicated ways.