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Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
 
borderbarry said:
Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
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Hickey has been 10 times the player of Longer.
 

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borderbarry said:
Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
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Bit early to be on the turps i would have thought
 
Could be worth finding out whether a Longer/Hickey combination yields better results than a Hickey/Marshall combination. Hickey has shown some really good touch. His decision making with the ball and his disposal by hand and foot has been especially surprising. If Longer can provide a better contest in the ruck that improves our clearance rate, especially against the heavies, then Hickey might be an equally good prospect at full forward. I know we have tried Hickey forward before, but he seems to have come a long way since then.
 
CursingFijian said:
Could be worth finding out whether a Longer/Hickey combination yields better results than a Hickey/Marshall combination. Hickey has shown some really good touch. His decision making with the ball and his disposal by hand and foot has been especially surprising. If Longer can provide a better contest in the ruck that improves our clearance rate, especially against the heavies, then Hickey might be an equally good prospect at full forward. I know we have tried Hickey forward before, but he seems to have come a long way since then.
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Not a Longer fan at all but I Id rather drop Hickey and play Longer than play them both. Neither is even close to good enough to play as a forward. Matter of fact Lonie is a better forward mark then Longer.

Got no idea what Barry is on about. Hickey is the least of our issues.
 
borderbarry said:
Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
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Hickey was one of our better players versus GWS. We would be 0-6 if Billy was in the side.
 

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borderbarry said:
Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
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Longer is still getting his usual one kick a week, this year at Sandy instead of the 1s. With the mobile ruckman back in vogue highlighting the need for ruckman to be an extra midfielder, not even the staunchest Billy advocates can justify him playing. In fact his staunchest cheerleader Moorabin Ghost has even left the forum: if that doesn't signal Billy's career is at the cross-roads, nothing will.
 
Unless Billy is suddenly playing like Max Gawn or Brodie Grundy in the VFL I don't see what we would gain by playing him in the team ahead of Hickey.

Hickey has been one of our few positives this year, has battled hard in the ruck, given us a lift around the ground and kicked a few goals pushing forward.
 
Has Billy gotten more than 1 kick yet in the VFL?

No you say... hmm.
 
borderbarry said:
Bring back Billy Longer. Wont get anywhere playing Tom Hickey. He may take an extra couple of marks a match, but he does not have Bill's fire. Bill gets more hit outs and does more tackles a game than Hickey.

The season so far.
Bill played first two matches (injured in the second). We had our only win in the first.

Tom has played six so far for one draw, 5 losses.

Bring back Billy.
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Longer has no upside. Hickey has plenty.
 

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Drake Huggins said:
Don't bring him back unless we have a DeLorean that can take us back to the 70's. Trade bait at best, but the suitors who were there after 2016-7 have disappeared. Another write off. Thanks trout and pelican.
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Keeps me up at night what we could’ve done with that pick in 2013.
 
hayes said:
Keeps me up at night what we could’ve done with that pick in 2013.
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One mistake is forgivable and forgettable, but when you continually butcher valuable picks in the 20's you have to ask the question. Pick 25 in 2013 should have developed into a decent, regular senior player. We miss from time to time, but those two made an art form of it. MacKenzie, Goddard, Longer, White, Wright, ......need I go on? Some people will forgive anything, which is exactly why we are where we are now.
 
Drake GGHuggins said:
One mistake is forgivable and forgettable, but when you continually butcher valuable picks in the 20's you have to ask the question. Pick 25 in 2013 should have developed into a decent, regular senior player. We miss from time to time, but those two made an art form of it. MacKenzie, Goddard, Longer, White, Wright, ......need I go on? Some people will forgive anything, which is exactly why we are where we are now.
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The lions took Daniel McStay....
Not exactly a world beater. But hey if it makes people feel better keep saying 'we should have taken X at pick X' or 'we missed with pick X'..

On average, most draft picks don't come off. If they did you' have to delist good players which obviously never happens.

I think Billy has been serviceable. When we traded McEvoy. We knew we had to land another ready made ruckman. Given longer was originally taken at pick 8 by the lions a few seasons earlier, I was wrapped we got him. In fact - Can't say too many on here were disappointed when we landed him... Harry Hindsight is always right in these threads!
 
Not sure if you're seeing something different to me but it looked to me like Hickey couldn't have done much more against Sandy last week. He competed in some unique ways which Longer wouldn't have even thought of around the stoppages as well as being someone the team trusts with a handball receive in congestion, something Longer will never offer.
 

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