BRODIE MARTIN

[1970crow]

See VB taking Martin's spot in the team. He has the same two way gut running and is a better finisher in front of the sticks. MCrouch, Lyons and Grigg are different types, think Crouch will make it this year, not sure about the other two. Martin should be playing plenty of SANFL this year.

I think Mackay will experience Walsh's selection axe before Martin. Of bourse it's hard to get right, Martin has only been average for 30 odd games, whereas Mackay provides a much richer history.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Bit of a quad strain if what's left of my memory is correct. Actually maybe he just made way for another player, it was quite a hot topic in the selection thread at the time. He had dropped off a bit, but had still been kicking goals and was sent to the 2nds. It's either of those 2.

Don't reckon he did enough to demand selection. Defensive transition issues also , if he improves his defence and plays on the edge a bit more will be a walk up start

 

[dylan123]

You know its been a slow off season when a Brodie Martin thread gets 12 pages. Average player at best. If he, mckay, wright, vb and henderson are still regulars in the 22 in 2 years time we're in a bad way.

Think Henderson is a bit of an odd one out. At least at his best, he was one of our better players, think he polled 2nd behind Brad Crouch in 2013 (?) when he was moved to HBF and became that offensive weapon coming out.

 

[AFC979810]

Wow, is this 'young' player already 26? Is he our next Michael Doughty?

I wish.

 

[AFC979810]

Last year we had someone coaching for their next contract, not coaching for the clubs future

This is a very good point.

Makes you wonder what the message is from ****/Roo for this year?

So much talk of elite standards and practices. Walsh talks of 'chasing success as hard as we can'. Walsh has come out and acknowledged that our list will most likely be ready to challenge in about 2017.

Very interested to see how we line up in Round 1. Its pretty much confirmed that both Hansen and Grima will both miss the round 1 game. Do we play Walker, Jenkins and Pods to stretch them? Or do we acknowledge that Pods is not going to be around in 2016, let alone 2017 and not play him unless we have an absolute nightmare run with injuries?

 

[relapse]

Last year we had someone coaching for their next contract, not coaching for the clubs future

I think the mistakes made during Sanderson's time were the result of deeper cultural issues within the club.

During the Neil Craig era the club developed this belief that they had to be a perennial finalist, even when we didn't have a premiership calibre list. We started filling our side with depth players in the hope of getting a few results go our way in the hope that we could slip into the 8. Sadly this mentality continued during Sanderson's time at the club and in the end he beame a victim to the club's flawed ideology.

I think with Roo's arrival at the club the penny has finally dropped at West Lakes and we've brought someone in who cis his own person and isn't interested in chasing mediocrity.

 

[1970crow]

This is a very good point.

Makes you wonder what the message is from ****/Roo for this year?

So much talk of elite standards and practices. Walsh talks of 'chasing success as hard as we can'. Walsh has come out and acknowledged that our list will most likely be ready to challenge in about 2017.

Very interested to see how we line up in Round 1. Its pretty much confirmed that both Hansen and Grima will both miss the round 1 game. Do we play Walker, Jenkins and Pods to stretch them? Or do we acknowledge that Pods is not going to be around in 2016, let alone 2017 and not play him unless we have an absolute nightmare run with injuries?

There as an article quoting Pods saying that he's been doing a bit of work with the defenders. It's very late in a career to be learning how to be an accountable defender, but if Hartigan fails, then Pods may just be required back there. I just can't see a coach who is about hard running, going in with the 3 genuine talls plus Lynch forward set-up. If I recall correctly he listed himself, Hartigan and one other as perhaps sharing the duties between them and spending some time in the SANFL. I recall thinking it was bit presumptuous of him at the time.

 

[Mike Smyth]

This is a very good point.

Makes you wonder what the message is from ****/Roo for this year?

So much talk of elite standards and practices. Walsh talks of 'chasing success as hard as we can'. Walsh has come out and acknowledged that our list will most likely be ready to challenge in about 2017.

Very interested to see how we line up in Round 1. Its pretty much confirmed that both Hansen and Grima will both miss the round 1 game. Do we play Walker, Jenkins and Pods to stretch them? Or do we acknowledge that Pods is not going to be around in 2016, let alone 2017 and not play him unless we have an absolute nightmare run with injuries?

If walshy is serious about 2017 then pods, as much as I like him, should not play much senior football in 2015.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Think Henderson is a bit of an odd one out. At least at his best, he was one of our better players, think he polled 2nd behind Brad Crouch in 2013 (?) when he was moved to HBF and became that offensive weapon coming out.

Surprisingly hendo is still a bit of an unknown quantity. He swings from brilliant to terrible. Lets see how he goes with an injury free year before we can judge him properly.

 

[spenze]

I think the mistakes made during Sanderson's time were the result of deeper cultural issues within the club.

I don't buy that. Sanderson won the job as Adelaide coach by over rating our list. The person he defeated had a less enthusiastic appraisal of our list and had suggested a rebuild ( given that he would have blown his stack when the sanctions came in), so in essence Sando and the club enabled each other. Sando had the opportunity to say that we would struggle each year after the sanctions but he talked us up as a top 8 team...which we didn't achieve.

It's all well and good to say that was the clubs mantra being forced on Sando but Sando was a coach of an AFL side pulling in 400-550k a year. That to me, makes him a senior manager of a large orginisation, not a newb, not a rookie but a well paid senior manager, if he had an issue with the clubs line he should of pulled the plug, not played along. Personally I would have had more respect for him if he had pulled the plug last year and his reputation would be much higher than it is. He could have said it was impossible to work with an admin that had destroyed his recruiting yet expected finals participation, it would have shown us to be the mickey mouse admin that Roo finally came in and had to dismantle.

Still, this isn't about Sandos short comings, it's about Brodie Martins short comings and the fact that he is less reliable in front of goal than Petrenko says a lot. I like what he brings to the team but he is easily replacable.

 

[dylan123]

There as an article quoting Pods saying that he's been doing a bit of work with the defenders. It's very late in a career to be learning how to be an accountable defender, but if Hartigan fails, then Pods may just be required back there. I just can't see a coach who is about hard running, going in with the 3 genuine talls plus Lynch forward set-up. If I recall correctly he listed himself, Hartigan and one other as perhaps sharing the duties between them and spending some time in the SANFL. I recall thinking it was bit presumptuous of him at the time.

Was that a recent article? Sort of been keeping an eye out to see if that has been suggested but I must have missed it as I hadn't seen that.

Surprisingly hendo is still a bit of an unknown quantity. He swings from brilliant to terrible. Lets see how he goes with an injury free year before we can judge him properly.

No doubt, just think he's an odd one out given he has the potential to be brilliant and has actually shown as such on the field.

The others in Mackay, Wright, VB and Martin have the potential to be good players but nothing more (imo), Hendo's best seems a lot better then anything these guys have shown/looked capable of showing.

 

[Team DJ]

Apologies, I must have mis-understood this sentence from above, "No i am not, but a 1 year extension meant that we wouldve had an option if someone like Callinan had a good year. 2 years did not."

Unless, of course, you are now suggesting that young Ian Callinan had a future at the club.

I stand by it. A one year extension gave us the option. The 2 year deal he signed did not.
Which meant that a guys like Callinan, Aiden Riley etc pretty much had their papers marked a year out. Because Martin and Luke Thompson had a year to run. What if the Callinan kicked 30 and had a good 2013?

The matter of Lyons Grigg etc is separate. Martin playing so many games last year hindered the opportunities for the young players with futures from developing. Where as Brodie Martin who doesnt have a future played those extra games

 

[dylan123]

At 26, he's not exactly near the end of his career physically so I'm not exactly sure I agree with you in terms of him not having a future.

Obviously there's been a mistake somewhere down the track. Injuries hurt early in his career with x2 knee recos and some soft tissue injuries that followed, but being on the list for that long, he really should have been given a proper go early to see what he could offer to the AFL team or moved on. There have been a number of guys that were in a similar position where they killed in in the SANFL but were just left there and they became older and older yet with little AFL experience to prove themselves/further develop. I actually really liked what Sando did last year, he played guys like Martin, L.Thompson etc who had been on our list for years but no one really knew if they were to AFL standard or not and we got a much clearer idea of that because of him giving them games. They were once the Lyon, Crouch, Grigg's of the team at that age and weren't played. After last year we found L.Thompson wasn't capable of playing the KP role required and Martin did enough to prove to be handy depth or possibly just inside the 22 depending on what the coach thinks.

Tambling and Symes are two that come to mind that I just have no idea of the clubs thought process. Obviously both played a fair bit more AFL level footy so we knew what they could bring but both were killing it in the SANFL, we'd give them the odd game here and there over younger players, but often as a sub and even if they played well, they were never given a proper shot and were often pushed out of the side again. Towards the final season that Tambling spent on our list, I recall him being brought in around round 18 or so against Geelong and he was great, doing what many had hoped. The next week he was the starting sub, came on in the last and did nothing. Was dropped and then brought back a couple of rounds later as a sub again for memory, dropped and delisted. What on earth was the point of that? The one full game he got he did well but we never gave him the chance to back it up as if we'd planned to delist him all along. If delisting him was the plan all along, then why did he get those games to begin with over someone like Martin for example (just any younger player that would have been in a similar role)?

 

[Red mist]

At 26, he's not exactly near the end of his career physically so I'm not exactly sure I agree with you in terms of him not having a future.

Obviously there's been a mistake somewhere down the track. Injuries hurt early in his career with x2 knee recos and some soft tissue injuries that followed, but being on the list for that long, he really should have been given a proper go early to see what he could offer to the AFL team or moved on. There have been a number of guys that were in a similar position where they killed in in the SANFL but were just left there and they became older and older yet with little AFL experience to prove themselves/further develop. I actually really liked what Sando did last year, he played guys like Martin, L.Thompson etc who had been on our list for years but no one really knew if they were to AFL standard or not and we got a much clearer idea of that because of him giving them games. They were once the Lyon, Crouch, Grigg's of the team at that age and weren't played. After last year we found L.Thompson wasn't capable of playing the KP role required and Martin did enough to prove to be handy depth or possibly just inside the 22 depending on what the coach thinks.

Tambling and Symes are two that come to mind that I just have no idea of the clubs thought process. Obviously both played a fair bit more AFL level footy so we knew what they could bring but both were killing it in the SANFL, we'd give them the odd game here and there over younger players, but often as a sub and even if they played well, they were never given a proper shot and were often pushed out of the side again. Towards the final season that Tambling spent on our list, I recall him being brought in around round 18 or so against Geelong and he was great, doing what many had hoped. The next week he was the starting sub, came on in the last and did nothing. Was dropped and then brought back a couple of rounds later as a sub again for memory, dropped and delisted. What on earth was the point of that? The one full game he got he did well but we never gave him the chance to back it up as if we'd planned to delist him all along. If delisting him was the plan all along, then why did he get those games to begin with over someone like Martin for example (just any younger player that would have been in a similar role)?

I agree re Tambling. He was also in the team in the last minor round game against West Coast which we won easily. There was a passage of play in the last quarter where he intercepted a ball on the wing, took a couple of running bounces and goaled. The view then turned to the coaches box where Sando had a smile and laugh. This was Tamblings last highlight in AFL, while in the box it showed that it didn't matter as his goose was cooked.

 

[1970crow]

Was that a recent article? Sort of been keeping an eye out to see if that has been suggested but I must have missed it as I hadn't seen that.


No doubt, just think he's an odd one out given he has the potential to be brilliant and has actually shown as such on the field.

The others in Mackay, Wright, VB and Martin have the potential to be good players but nothing more (imo), Hendo's best seems a lot better then anything these guys have shown/looked capable of showing.

My recollection was a little skewed. It was him suggesting Lynch and Cameron will be in and out that I thought presumptuous.

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/shows/rowey-bicks/james-podsiadly-in-defence

 

[lunacy]

My recollection was a little skewed. It was him suggesting Lynch and Cameron will be in and out that I thought presumptuous.

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/shows/rowey-bicks/james-podsiadly-in-defence

I think he actually meant Walker, Jenkins, Betts will be the mainstays while Cameron, Lynch etc will spend a lot of time up forward but would rotate through other positions.

 

[AFC979810]

I don't buy that. Sanderson won the job as Adelaide coach by over rating our list.

Thats very tough. Sando wasn't a great coach in 2013-2014 but he was massively hamstrung. The fact that he lost both Tippett and Walker (who kicked a combined 100 goals in 2012) would have destroyed most young rookie coaches.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Brodie gets a pass for nab round 1..... Nailed his set shot so hopefully that trend continues. Reckon he could be sub option for round 1 as runs hard both ways and is flexible

 

[DD#23]

I agree re Tambling. He was also in the team in the last minor round game against West Coast which we won easily. There was a passage of play in the last quarter where he intercepted a ball on the wing, took a couple of running bounces and goaled. The view then turned to the coaches box where Sando had a smile and laugh. This was Tamblings last highlight in AFL, while in the box it showed that it didn't matter as his goose was cooked.

its staggering they even bothered picking him, what a waste of time.

 

[AFC979810]

its staggering they even bothered picking him, what a waste of time.

Tambling would be laughing all the way to the bank. We paid him 1 million dollars over 3 years and he played 16 games for us. Thats a cool $62,500 for each game.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

I would like nothing more than see Brodie prove many of you negative bellies wrong. Brodie was decent last year and there is no reason that at 26 we might see more improvement.

 

[DD#23]

Tambling would be laughing all the way to the bank. We paid him 1 million dollars over 3 years and he played 16 games for us. Thats a cool $62,500 for each game.

provided he didn't actually have any aspirations to be a successful AFL footballer.

financially he killed it though, absolutely.

I would like nothing more than see Brodie prove many of you negative bellies wrong. Brodie was decent last year and there is no reason that at 26 we might see more improvement.

I think he'll get a shot because he's Walsh's type of character. Whether he can be Walsh's type of player remains to be seen.

If he can improve his kicking I think he could be in... He only went at 66.3% disposal efficiency (which was probably mostly handballs) and kicked 8.15 for goal. If he can raise that DE by 10% and get the goals to points ratio on the positive side of the ledger there's no doubt he'd be a handy player. His attitude will take him a long way if we're serious about team first, but I like many would still prefer to see guys like Grigg and Atkins push past him.

 

[AFC979810]

I think Mackay will experience Walsh's selection axe before Martin. Of bourse it's hard to get right, Martin has only been average for 30 odd games, whereas Mackay provides a much richer history.

That didn't take long to proved wrong.

Despite an injury affected preseason - Mackay is in the best 22.

Martin meanwhile was listed on the extended interchange and is the only player from that list who is playing for the SANFL team (I believe Pods/Grigg will be the emergencies). Based on my math - that puts 22 players automatically ahead of him, the two emergencies above him the four players who were injured/had injury interrupted preseasons in Crouch/Thommo/Kerridge/Crouch Jnr.

By my math it looks to me as though there are 28 players ahead of Martin in the race to play.

This is different. I am not saying he was completely terrible in 2014, he was average. In my opinion he just showed no elite qualities in any aspect of his game that says he should get a game ahead of the top 28 players at our club in season 2015.

Walshy must have been reading the bigfooty board

 

[AFC979810]

If Walsh selects him next year for round 1 what would you think?

Now that Walshy has selected Mackay over Martin in round 1 - what do you think?

 

[Barneythecrab]

I trust Walsh on his ability to pick the team for round 1. He must feel that McKay play a more suited/needed role in our side for this game. He may also at this point in time view McKay to have more potential, as Martin had better nab games than McKay in my opinion.
I'm am of the belief though that martin will push his way into the side and he is a player that Walsh would have said "I love what you e got, but I want to see you push yourself another 5-10%". I reckon Grigg is another who falls into this category.