Bucks is the man - have no doubt Pies Fans!

[daics cousin]

Ha ! You see. every chance they get these doubters always throw in their cheap shots.

There are rumour mongers out there ,who believe Collingwood may not make Top 4 this year.Ok if we had severe inujuries i defy any team to make top 8 let alone top 4,that is the curse of modern day football.

Collingwood are not the only team that suffers injuries,players from all clubs are falling over like nine pins with the constant changing of our playing rules.No can blame a coach for that and the season proper hasn't commenced yet.

Buckley will be a premiership coach,and more than once,book mark it.
A few astute journos out there can already see that he Buckley doesn't follow strategies, he endeavours to keep ahead of the competition by being aggresive and tweeking strategies.

Its already happening,in the NAB Cup and it was brought to light the other night on 360 footy show.
While the OTHERS are the copiers Buckley will be innnovator always two steps ahead of the competition.
Once the players can implement the strategies,then we will be home and hosed,Yes we will play around the boundary line but the players will execute through the corridor whenever the opportunities exist.

What we have to do is have at least 28- 30 fit players ready to go once the business end of the season arrives,then its blitz the bastards.
So the older players must be managed well throughout the season,and we have to find at least 6 extra young,hungry players who can be called upon,when required to go,the criteria is they must have match conditioning througout the year ,this will cover any injuries at the business end of the year.

If the premiership year taught us anything,well lets say that Geelong learn't from us and implemented our strategies and won the flag last year.

Don't worry Buckley will be a very shrewd and agggresive coach not like Mlathouse in many ways, who will deliver flags quicker than most think!

Even in a interview recently with MALTHOUSE,Malthouse was asked who would win the flag this year,and he simply stated,barring any serious injuries to key players,Collingwood will win the flag...........Easily !

 

[Blessed]

Re: Bucks is the man , have no doubt Pies Fans!

I need a game plan. I am yet to see it in 3 NAB Cup games.

 

[Knightmare]

Re: Bucks is the man , have no doubt Pies Fans!

I need a game plan. I am yet to see it in 3 NAB Cup games.

I'm in the same boat right now.

I'm seeing the 2002/03 Collingwood turn up under Buckley's coaching.

Same style of switching the play and kicking backward. Doesn't impress me at all.

I want to see the early 2011 Collingwood. The ball movement was incredible and our play felt truly dominant and completely without equal.

 

[mattys123]

It's hard to assess just what the differences will be to our gameplan based off one game (ignore what happened at Blacktown).

And even in that game, we dramatically changed our team at half time, which would have led to a slight change in game plan just to protect some of the younger players.

As I've said about intensity levels, or individual players, wait for a few actual games of home and away football to be completed before you start criticising anything, because at the moment we are only seeing a very small example of what will actually happen in the season proper.

And even then, I can see Buckley's/The teams gameplan changing and adapting as the season progresses, because it will come under pressure, and just how Malthouse made changes to the game style over the years, and during them, so will the new coaching group.

I have faith in him, wait, in fact I have faith in the actual coaching group as a whole, which is really the important factor when talking about a new senior coach. Yes, all the accolades and criticism will sit with Bucks, but in the current coaching landscape his assistants and the likes of McRae and Eade will be just important as the great man.

We'll be alright, I don't believe the gameplan will dramatically change from seasons past, it will just be modernised to cope with what others teams are throwing at us.

 

[Swooop]

Re: Bucks is the man , have no doubt Pies Fans!

Agree there's no clearcut game plan, but very early days yet and he's probably still experimenting with various things.

Also, it's not like he's had his best starting 22 at his disposal to nail things down, though in fairness some other sides have shown a little more system. ie copies of Pies 2010.

Wonder if we abandoned the 2010 model press a bit too early - still seems to work a treat.

I expect a slowish start to the year tbh, I think the injuries and decision to be so full of youth in the NAB Cup and a tough early draw will go against us potentially.

Also, a new coach with a changing game plan will take a while to bed down, so I think we may need to be pretty patient early on.

But I also expect we'll finish on a stronger note, barring injuries / suspension etc

 

[Blessed]

We have to be up and about early because the Hawthorn game is huge.

 

[Go Pies!!!!!]

We have to be up and about early because the Hawthorn game is huge.

Rnd 1 is huge but so are all the games in September............

 

[loki04]

Re: Bucks is the man , have no doubt Pies Fans!

I'm in the same boat right now.

I'm seeing the 2002/03 Collingwood turn up under Buckley's coaching.

Same style of switching the play and kicking backward. Doesn't impress me at all.

I want to see the early 2011 Collingwood. The ball movement was incredible and our play felt truly dominant and completely without equal.

lol until we played the cats who smashed us all over the ground in every game that year...

 

[Gambit78]

I thought there were some clear cut signs of the game plan last weekend. There were more plays through the corridor, risky kicks through the centre square and the like. And some of those moves, if the skills were executed correctly, would have resulted in scoring opportunities from advantageous positions in our forward line.

Contested ball is a given in this day and age - but what I like about the kick backwards and switch, is that it shows Buckley and his coaching staff are looking at ways of getting out of congestion. When every team implements a press and seek to create stoppage after stoppage, what do you need to combat it? You need to win contested ball, but just as importantly, you need to create and use space. Territory is a premium. So going back and switching does a couple of things:

- It forces our players to stream out of the congestion and spread into the flanks, making hitting a target easier. We have the fittest midfielders in the league - I would be confident of matching if not beating any other midfield in gut busting run for a game.
- It spreads the opposition's press, allowing players ahead of the play to lead into gaps in defensive zones.


Now, that's how it has appeared on TV. Anyone go to the games and seen it live?

 

[kevind]

It is very hard to guage anything from the NAB CUP.

But if our game plan is to dramatically increase our short kicks to long kick ratio as has happened over the last 2 weeks, we won't make top 4. We may even miss the finals if we were to persist with such a plan.

One of the most telling statistics that determines who wins or loses and has been the case for the last 50 years, is the number of effective long kicks.

With the suspect nature of a lot of our players in mastering the short, soft kicks, going down a short passing road is a recipe for disaster.

Hoping it is not the case in the H&A season with regard to the game plan we have seen so far, but I will watch our opening game against Hawthorn with great interest as to what our 2012 game plan might be.

 

[Ed D]

You get the feeling this is what Geelong fans were going through last season with Scott as coach and Geelong looking average in the preseason. It really does mean very little, especially when you look at which players have been fielded in each game so far.

 

[Knightmare]

I thought there were some clear cut signs of the game plan last weekend. There were more plays through the corridor, risky kicks through the centre square and the like. And some of those moves, if the skills were executed correctly, would have resulted in scoring opportunities from advantageous positions in our forward line.

Contested ball is a given in this day and age - but what I like about the kick backwards and switch, is that it shows Buckley and his coaching staff are looking at ways of getting out of congestion. When every team implements a press and seek to create stoppage after stoppage, what do you need to combat it? You need to win contested ball, but just as importantly, you need to create and use space. Territory is a premium. So going back and switching does a couple of things:

- It forces our players to stream out of the congestion and spread into the flanks, making hitting a target easier. We have the fittest midfielders in the league - I would be confident of matching if not beating any other midfield in gut busting run for a game.
- It spreads the opposition's press, allowing players ahead of the play to lead into gaps in defensive zones.


Now, that's how it has appeared on TV. Anyone go to the games and seen it live?

The difference between this and what happened was how slowly we moved the ball. The opposition could easily set up quickly because our ball movement was consistantly too slow. Then we kicked the ball so far back that we would set up further back on the other side of the field.

With the switch of play unless you can do it with tempo it is ineffective and allows the opposition to reset.

The only time I'd be happy with a switch is if Ben Reid sets it up with a 55-60m pass to an open man on the other side of the field - on the kick he has the speed, accuracy and penetration to execute this and effectively set up an attack on the other side of the field.
With anyone else it is just too low %.

It looks like it will become a part of Buckley's gameplan and I guess until we see our whole A Team play we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But personally I have my doubts on this aspect of the gameplan.

 

[Gambit78]

The difference between this and what happened was how slowly we moved the ball. The opposition could easily set up quickly because our ball movement was consistantly too slow. Then we kicked the ball so far back that we would set up further back on the other side of the field.

With the switch of play unless you can do it with tempo it is ineffective and allows the opposition to reset.

The only time I'd be happy with a switch is if Ben Reid sets it up with a 55-60m pass to an open man on the other side of the field - on the kick he has the speed, accuracy and penetration to execute this and effectively set up an attack on the other side of the field.
With anyone else it is just too low %.

It looks like it will become a part of Buckley's gameplan and I guess until we see our whole A Team play we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But personally I have my doubts on this aspect of the gameplan.

I agree, for it to work, we have to be effective with disposal, and obviously the sides we've fielded so far in the NAB Cup are no where near our best squads. There is an obvious difference when Reid gets the ball at CHF compared to Keefe in regards to the effectiveness of the switch.

What I like about the idea (whether it works is another thing) is that it forces the opposition zones to move, ie instead of setting up their press knowing we will go to the boundary every time - therefore knowing exactly what to expect - the switch to space makes teams shift their press across. Now, unless supremely disciplined, opposition teams when switching are exposed to the possibility of having holes in their zones. It may occur because a player loses the man they are marking, they're lazy, or they can't match the fitness and are burnt off. Kinda like tennis - you control the rally and send your opponent from one side of the court to the other, that opponent is gonna be exhausted right quick. If we control ball movement and make them shift one side to the other, reckon it opens up the field more - attack more from the corridor.

Anyway, that's my spin from two NAB games. It's a bit like declaring Lotus F1 as World Champions after two Barcelona Test sessions.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

So far the biggest change I'm noticing is switching.

There is a LOT of soccer style switching going on in the limited time we've seen the boys play, and they are looking to the middle more.

Not sure if there's an 'official' gameplan in there, but that's what I've noticed.

I'd expect that whatever it is, it will be more effective with our senior squad executing it.

 

[Blessed]

Bucks was on SEN this mornng. He didn’t give much away but in response to them playing an exert from AFL360 and David King’s analysis that we will flirt wth the corridor this year....Bucks said sure, if it is open we will play the corridor.

Bucks’s main mantra is – if it isn’t broken then don’t fix it.

You can feel the desire from blokes like Andy Maher and Tim Watson and the 101 other analysis shows in footy today, that Bucks fails.

There is nothing that the media would love more than for Collingwood to get off to a slow start and for them to have the chance to get into Bucks.

Bucks is so intense too. Even when he is trying to be jovial.

The media want to see papers and hysteria. Bucks failing is the type of story that sells week in and week out.

There is serious pressure on the man.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Pretty sure Bucks is well aware of what's going on around him and couldn't be less phazed.

He's been in preparation for 2 years (....or more) so I'd say he's been well aware of expectations being placed on him externally and even from within.

I have confidence in the gameplan he'll develop. My hope is that the players can adjust quickly enough to execute it.

 

[Blessed]

Bucks explaining how the 2 and 2 rule will change the way teams need to play. so this is what he is thinking. Defend the skinny side of the ground.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/buckley-slams-rule-changes-20120308-1ules.html

"If you want to see flooding back, go the two and two," the new Magpie boss told SEN radio this morning.

"Flooding will come back. You’ve got to defend skinny parts of the field. Now the middle of the field is as fat as it gets, you’re defending a lot of width and that’s pretty hard to do because with the skill of sides these days . . .
"So you’re either going to decide are you going to continue with your press forward or are you going to drop your players back?"




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[noideaatall]

Pretty sure Bucks is well aware of what's going on around him and couldn't be less phazed.

He's been in preparation for 2 years (....or more) so I'd say he's been well aware of expectations being placed on him externally and even from within.

I have confidence in the gameplan he'll develop. My hope is that the players can adjust quickly enough to execute it.

absolutely. He is also very familiar with aggresive media and being on a hiding to nothing - remember his first year at the pies, the fig-jam label. I thought he dealt with last year far better the MM did.

Our game plan had to develop - round the boundary too predictable, the press pretty much used by all. I'm not going to get fazed by a few injuries or even a pretty average start to the season - if that happens. What I am interested in is the long term: not just winning the 2012 flag but doing the same or therabouts for every year over the next decade.

The media will, but as a supporter I don't think we should be judging Buck's coaching for a couple of years

 

[ipswichpies]

Buckley I think will be a success and judging by that article he thinks the Afl are sure to bring in the 2 ic and 2 subs rule probably next season.

Buckley has a good brain and I think he has the personnel to do the job,it may be a slow start to the season but it is better to gather momentum later in the year.

How often have we seen a team come over everyone late in the season because they get it right late in the year.

 

[HFF]

The one thing that I've noticed is the intent to look inside. From kick-ins it is evident and the second we have possession the players are clearly adapting to looking inside for the option to come inboard.

Sure, it looks a little messy still but I've noticed it. It will look far better when we have our senior side in there.

 

[Ed D]

No offense to anyone but even Malthouse said the team would look to use the corridor if it was left open. The thing is it rarely ever is. The team either has the find a way to open it up, flirt with danger and go through it anyway, or go around the boundary like the team already does/did last year.

 

[entourage]

Bucks was great on SEN

I was listening yesterday morning and andy and tim were talking about how no-one is giving good enough arguments against the sub rule, well Bucks came out this morning and said the rate of injuries decreasing was the same last year as it was the year before or something. BOOM. Surprised andy or tim didn't comment on that. Handled it well, was solid and yeah, i'm feeling good about it all.

 

[Greening Magic]

Bucks handles himself extremely well and has great presence. Andy Maher sounded like a little schoolboy talking to him. Was waiting for him to call him 'Mr Buckley'.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Re: Bucks is the man , have no doubt Pies Fans!

I need a game plan. I am yet to see it in 3 NAB Cup games.

ONe should not give away the entire hand so early in the season!

 

[Blessed]

If we lose two NAB Cup games in a row and then lose to Hawthorn in first round; the jungle drums will be beating!