Bushfires.

[SM]

She couldnt afford to cancel them, the cost to the council would be astronomical, and in her presser still had a go at the governments inaction on climate change.
Typical green-left hypocrite.

How dare she argue for rational climate policy while also supporting a sensible economic policy.

Have you explained yet the link between allowing fireworks and their destructive impact on climate change policy?

 

[theyellowsash]

What are you talking about. The federal government is being increadibly proactive in thus current national disaster

Not sure cutting fire services funding really helps

 

[theyellowsash]

Man, I probably spent 14+ summers in Mallacoota with my family growing up. What's happening there today is truly terrifying, my Mum sent my sisters and I a message, distraught. It's surreal to think of the New Years I had up there as a kid and now there are 4000 people just like me trapped there while the town burns and gas bottles explode, waiting for firefighters to sound an alarm so they know when to jump into the water.

What's crazy to me is we knew this was coming, even two days ago when the fires moved closer and closer, where is the Navy to evacuate communities such as Mallacoota by boat? The way our government has responded to this national emergency is pathetic.

Not that the gov shouldn't help, but when you live in a bushfire area you should have insurance to cover loss and when you know 2 days out you have enough time to get out yourself unless you are inhibited in some way

 

[Navyblues09]

Not sure cutting fire services funding really helps

What does state government issues have to do with the federal government’s response?

What's crazy to me is we knew this was coming, even two days ago when the fires moved closer and closer, where is the Navy to evacuate communities such as Mallacoota by boat? The way our government has responded to this national emergency is pathetic.

When the premier is away it’s hard for him to request federal assistance

 

[theyellowsash]

What does state government issues have to do with the federal government’s response?




When the premier is away it’s hard for him to request federal assistance

Same party

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

So every mainland state has had severe fires before January.

The thing is the calafornians warned us last decade. Still people voted Liberal and still liberals cut funding to fire services..

And don't forget radio. Cuts the abc has resulted in less bushfire emergency services.

Its mind boggling when you see it, for what it is.

Less fire trucks means more water for irragators the Liberal Party politicians, invest in

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

The Sydney Mayor, Clover Moore, was the one who pushed hard to go ahead with the fireworks, and she's as left wing as they come.

Fireworks in Sydney Harbour has everything to do with Bushfires? who would have thought

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

So every mainland state has had severe fires before January.

The thing is the calafornians warned us last decade. Still people voted Liberal and still liberals cut funding to fire services..

And don't forget radio. Cuts the abc has resulted in less bushfire emergency services.

Its mind boggling when you see it, for what it is.

Less fire trucks means more water for irragators the Liberal Party politicians, invest in

yeh but the Green's are responsible for supplying the fuel for this flame, if only we had national park control lines

 

[nobbyiscool]

yeh but the Green's are responsible for supplying the fuel for this flame, if only we had national park control lines

Typical Newscorp parrot bullshit.

THE GREENS AREN'T IN POWER! How the **** did they prevent hazard reduction burns? (Especially when their policies support hazard reduction burns.)

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

Typical Newscorp parrot bullshit.

THE GREENS AREN'T IN POWER! How the fu** did they prevent hazard reduction burns? (Especially when their policies support hazard reduction burns.)

you should get your Greens Policy right, typical leftist deflection

 

[SM]

Fireworks in Sydney Harbour has everything to do with Bushfires? who would have thought

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

yeh but the Green's are responsible for supplying the fuel for this flame, if only we had national park control lines

You ****ing moron.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

yeh but the Green's are responsible for supplying the fuel for this flame, if only we had national park control lines

National park control lines you say?

Is that like the black lines?

You know when they gave all the convicts guns told them to stand on the edge of town and stop all the baddies?

Is that what you propose? Lining the national park boundaries with convicts, forcing the fire to burn them?

Crazy idea, but I like it!

 

[Bazzar]

Not sure cutting fire services funding really helps

I missed where the Federal government cut funding to fire services. I'd be interested to have a read. Link?

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

todays fun fact is Australia's carbon emissions this year are around 500 million tons and the bushfires in 2018 burnt approx 4 million hectares and this year they are around 6 million hectares. Each hectare of bushfire releases on average 80-100 ton of carbon per hectare, times that by 4 million and 6 million you have 100m million tons of carbon going into the astmosphere just from the bushfires from the 2 previous years. It gets you thinking what a waste of time any climate change policy is when any progress made is literally gone up in smoke, add to that the waste of money being thrown at the cause which could be put to far better things and the loss of the bush itself which helped destroy the Co2.

Also what amusing is that Co2 caused by bushfires is not counted in International Climate Protocol yet the Co2 measured in the atmosphere is?

 

[SM]

todays fun fact is Australia's carbon emissions this year are around 500 million tons and the bushfires in 2018 burnt approx 4 million hectares and this year they are around 6 million hectares. Each hectare of bushfire releases on average 80-100 ton of carbon per hectare, times that by 4 million and 6 million you have 100m million tons of carbon going into the astmosphere just from the bushfires from the 2 previous years. It gets you thinking what a waste of time any climate change policy is when any progress made is literally gone up in smoke, add to that the waste of money being thrown at the cause which could be put to far better things and the loss of the bush itself which helped destroy the Co2.

Also what amusing is that Co2 caused by bushfires is not counted in International Climate Protocol yet the Co2 measured in the atmosphere is?

You are literally too stupid to function.

Climate change policy is a waste of time because the consequences of inaction make things worse? No shit Sherlock.

 

[Bazzar]

So every mainland state has had severe fires before January.

The thing is the calafornians warned us last decade. Still people voted Liberal and still liberals cut funding to fire services..

And don't forget radio. Cuts the abc has resulted in less bushfire emergency services.

Its mind boggling when you see it, for what it is.

Every mainland state has had bushfires before January. The worst so far are QLD and NSW and their bushfire season traditionally is Sept-November and March-May. They dont have a summer season.

Australian fire experts have been warning about these fires for 10-15 years, so regardless of the political side what else can they do apart from what you mentioned, money.

ABC cuts have not led to fewer emergency warning broadcasts, stop making things up. Australian residents have never been better informed as they are at the moment.
Maybe ABC should stop paying staff 42% of total funding for staff wages.

"Less fire trucks means more water for irragators the Liberal Party politicians, invest in" lol, perfect example of your knowledge and bias on the subject.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

You are literally too stupid to function.

Climate change policy is a waste of time because the consequences of inaction make things worse? No shit Sherlock.

the consequence of your action is mute, thats why its a waste of time, even if you do believe the most extreme versions of climate change

 

[nobbyiscool]

the consequence of your action is mute, thats why its a waste of time, even if you do believe the most extreme versions of climate change

The word is moot dumbarse.

 

[Bazzar]

NSW budget slashed?

Fact Check.

The claim
Catastrophic bushfires in NSW have seen tempers flare and set social media abuzz with claims funding for the state's firefighters has been slashed.

NSW Labor, the firefighters' union and the Young Greens each took to Facebook or Twitter with varying numbers to support their case.

Adding to the chorus, on November 15, 2019, NSW Labor Leader Jodi McKay claimed:

"[The] government's budget papers show that Fire and Rescue NSW and the Rural Fire Service combined are facing a $40 million budget cut — a cut that will mean fewer people on the ground to fight fires and less budget to do it with".

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has rejected any suggestion of cuts, arguing her Government had "provided record funding to all of our frontline agencies in emergency services".

So, is $40 million being cut from the NSW firefighting budget? RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.



The verdict
Ms McKay's claim doesn't stack up.

Her office told Fact Check the $40 million figure relied on numbers from the latest June budget.

However, Ms McKay has compared initial estimates for the coming financial year, 2019-20, with revised estimates for the last. These numbers are not a like-for-like comparison, and the budget papers make clear the initial estimates are subject to change.

Her comparison ignores the fact that the revised 2018-19 estimates include more than $40 million in retrospective reimbursements for spending on natural disasters.

By contrast, the initial 2019-20 estimates do not include top-ups for disaster spending, which the fire agencies are almost certain to receive.

Recurrent funding was also particularly high in 2018-19 due to a change in workers compensation arrangements.

The change muddies the comparison with spending in this year, which may be lower due to a drop in insurance costs.

Importantly, lower spending on workers compensation would not affect the firefighting agencies' ability to combat bushfires.

Experts consulted by Fact Check said budget outcomes inevitably varied from the initial estimates, meaning it was too early to say if funding had been cut.

Fact Check estimates that firefighting expenditure would need to grow by at least $39 million just to keep pace with inflation and population growth.

We fact checked Jodi McKay's claim on NSW bushfire funding. Here's what we found

NSW Opposition Leader Jodi McKay says the state's firefighting budget is facing a $40 million cut. RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SM]

the consequence of your action is mute, thats why its a waste of time, even if you do believe the most extreme versions of climate change

Mute or moot? Try again.

Didn't answer my question from last night I see. Always the sign of a weak argument when you just ignore the holes poked in it.

 

[Bazzar]

Victorian December fires

1905 - 1 December (12 deaths)
1938-39 - December - January, included "Black Friday" 71 deaths
1944 - December - February. 51 deaths
1943 - 22 December (10 deaths)
1998 - 2 December (5 deaths) Linton, Western Victoria
2006-07 - 1 December - 6 February "Eastern Victoria Great Divide bushfires"

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

The word is moot dumbarse.

i put it there just for you.....and you took the bait

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

Mute or moot? Try again.

Didn't answer my question from last night I see. Always the sign of a weak argument when you just ignore the holes poked in it.

so you agree its a waste of time, and thats not even including the conflict of other countries make which would only add to my argument

 

[Zidane98]

Victorian December fires

1905 - 1 December (12 deaths)
1938-39 - December - January, included "Black Friday" 71 deaths
1944 - December - February. 51 deaths
1943 - 22 December (10 deaths)
1998 - 2 December (5 deaths) Linton, Western Victoria
2006-07 - 1 December - 6 February "Eastern Victoria Great Divide bushfires"

Black Saturday in 2009 possibly the worst of them all.