Cam Wood

[yazdo]

Should we have kept our first round pick and traded 2nd or 3rd round pick to get King from Geelong instead of doing what we did last pre season draft??? We could have had a midfield player we needed and a ruckman as well. Peoples thoughts.

 

[smiddaz123]

Wow, talk about a knee jerk reaction to being dropped. Seriously.

 

[didak legend]

no way. cam is only 20 or 21yrs old, is an excellent tap ruckmen, will continue to improve every game, and i ''wood'' prefer him over old king any day

 

[Gyroscope_182]

stupid thread!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Heavens no... although I'm not sure what you mean by "last pre-season draft".

 

[Giddy Up]

hell no! he is going to be an important factor within our team for many many years.

 

[wicksy]

I think you got your answer!!!!

I want to add my 2 cents though.

Cam Wood is going to be a brilliant ruckman and player for us for the next 10 years.

I really like Bryan and it seems like everyone at the club does also, but he isn't the talent like Wood is.

I know this is a big call but I wouldn't mind seeing the Bryan/Wood combination for a couple of games and see how they go.

Fraser could play as a permanent forward pocket.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Bloody hell.

 

[kevind]

Should we have kept our first round pick and traded 2nd or 3rd round pick to get King from Geelong instead of doing what we did last pre season draft??? We could have had a midfield player we needed and a ruckman as well. Peoples thoughts.

I actually posed this question a couple of weeks ago. We obviously could have got Travis Johnstone and King probably with our last pick(didn't he go about pick no 94 ????). There is obviously an element of risk there, given their ages, but I wondered at draft time if the club actually believed they had a premiership side as yet when they didn't pursue this option.

Wood was an interesting choice. At times he looks to have everything bar a physical presence but as yet does not do enough in a game to warrant his selection. He was Brisbane's 4th string ruckman, so there is also a large risk that he may never develop the way we wish. The club has adopted a youth policy to recruiting so that probably answers the question you pose and Wood is the perfect age to develop and peak with our young stars.

Playing Wood and Fraser together though gives us 2 ruckman with little physical presence. This is probably another factor in Wood's demotion, as Bryan has enormous physical presence and gives us more variety. Would we have been any better recruiting Johnstone and King ??? Well we won't known for several years until we can see Wood as a 24-25 year old ruckman.

 

[mdc]

I actually posed this question a couple of weeks ago. We obviously could have got Travis Johnstone and King probably with our last pick(didn't he go about pick no 94 ????). There is obviously an element of risk there, given their ages, but I wondered at draft time if the club actually believed they had a premiership side as yet when they didn't pursue this option.

Wood was an interesting choice. At times he looks to have everything bar a physical presence but as yet does not do enough in a game to warrant his selection. He was Brisbane's 4th string ruckman, so there is also a large risk that he may never develop the way we wish. The club has adopted a youth policy to recruiting so that probably answers the question you pose and Wood is the perfect age to develop and peak with our young stars.

Playing Wood and Fraser together though gives us 2 ruckman with little physical presence. This is probably another factor in Wood's demotion, as Bryan has enormous physical presence and gives us more variety. Would we have been any better recruiting Johnstone and King ??? Well we won't known for several years until we can see Wood as a 24-25 year old ruckman.

Actually, we will.

Johnstone is as outside as they come, and he wouldn't be adding all that much to our side. Or in other words, there's no way we would have traded the 14th pick for Travis Johnstone.

As for King, Wood is already a better ruckman and beat King+Gardner comfortably in the Saints game. He also has the advantage of being a tad younger.

If the 14th pick turns out to be some sort of superstar, then we can wallow in self-pity. But if the option is Wood or Johnstone+King, it's no contest.

 

[motr]

Where does this come from. Cam is doing just fine - couldn't be happier.

 

[B&W Army]

I can't believe what the OP is asking! Seriously how many games has he played for us? He has already made an difference. He is a fantastic tap ruckman as was mentioned earlier and has held his own against established ruckman from around the league. Our boys just have to learn to get our own taps now that we can do it consistently.

Bad thread..

 

[Pie eyed]

Actually, we will.

Johnstone is as outside as they come, and he wouldn't be adding all that much to our side. Or in other words, there's no way we would have traded the 14th pick for Travis Johnstone.

As for King, Wood is already a better ruckman and beat King+Gardner comfortably in the Saints game. He also has the advantage of being a tad younger.

If the 14th pick turns out to be some sort of superstar, then we can wallow in self-pity. But if the option is Wood or Johnstone+King, it's no contest.

Every thing he said only more ferveantly and with gusto.^^^

 

[kevind]

Actually, we will.

Johnstone is as outside as they come, and he wouldn't be adding all that much to our side. Or in other words, there's no way we would have traded the 14th pick for Travis Johnstone.

As for King, Wood is already a better ruckman and beat King+Gardner comfortably in the Saints game. He also has the advantage of being a tad younger.

If the 14th pick turns out to be some sort of superstar, then we can wallow in self-pity. But if the option is Wood or Johnstone+King, it's no contest.

Sure Cam Wood shows great potential, no doubt. But his performances have not equalled that potential. To say he is already better than King is an absolute joke. Did you watch last year's GF? King absolutely dominated with his physical presence. As for 2 weeks ago v STK, the match committee obviously disagree with you, as do I. I thought he was very ordinary that night. He was dropped for his performance in that game and replaced by a guy that many on this site don't think is worth an AFL game.

You are doing the typical Collingwood rose coloured glasses brigade's work. See a bloke with potential and project his abilities through the roof before the performance warrants it

 

[Dave The Man]

Sure Cam Wood shows great potential, no doubt. But his performances have not equalled that potential. To say he is already better than King is an absolute joke. Did you watch last year's GF? King absolutely dominated with his physical presence. As for 2 weeks ago v STK, the match committee obviously disagree with you, as do I. I thought he was very ordinary that night. He was dropped for his performance in that game and replaced by a guy that many on this site don't think is worth an AFL game.

You are doing the typical Collingwood rose coloured glasses brigade's work. See a bloke with potential and project his abilities through the roof before the performance warrants it

Well King would play for another 2 Year of Decent football with us then it would be back where we started from


Wood Was brought in to grow with the young players

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Should we have kept our first round pick and traded 2nd or 3rd round pick to get King from Geelong instead of doing what we did last pre season draft??? We could have had a midfield player we needed and a ruckman as well. Peoples thoughts.

Absolutely not. The club did the right thing. King is on his last legs. Injury permitting, Wood has a decade of football in front of him.

He'd played less than 20 games when we drafted him. He was always gonna take awhile.

Personally, I wouldn't have dropped him, and I'm pretty happy with his performance thus far.

 

[kevind]

Well King would play for another 2 Year of Decent football with us then it would be back where we started from


Wood Was brought in to grow with the young players

If you read my original post, that's exactly what I said. Just used different words. The club has obviously got a 'youth policy' which I wholeheartedly endorse. It's the smarter way to go and the importance of players fitting into a playing group is highly underestimated.

I never believe in players until their performance matches their potential. The longer a player stays in the 'potential' category the less likely you will ever see performance. It happens with many players. Even Guy Richards showed potential at one stage.

To say Wood is better than King is absurd. King has got so many performances over Wood, it's not funny. Most notably a dominating performance in a GF.Hopefully that will change in the next couple of years. In the meantime , lets not tell the world what a great ruckman Wood is until he performs at that level.

 

[Dave The Man]

If you read my original post, that's exactly what I said. Just used different words. The club has obviously got a 'youth policy' which I wholeheartedly endorse. It's the smarter way to go and the importance of players fitting into a playing group is highly underestimated.

I never believe in players until their performance matches their potential. The longer a player stays in the 'potential' category the less likely you will ever see performance. It happens with many players. Even Guy Richards showed potential at one stage.

To say Wood is better than King is absurd. King has got so many performances over Wood, it's not funny. Most notably a dominating performance in a GF.Hopefully that will change in the next couple of years. In the meantime , lets not tell the world what a great ruckman Wood is until he performs at that level.

Fair Enough - Wood has not had any Dominating Performances but Shown that he can in the Future.

Remember Ruckman take awhile and he is only 21 and they reach there peak around 25-27

 

[mdc]

Sure Cam Wood shows great potential, no doubt. But his performances have not equalled that potential.

By definition, a player with "potential" cannot be "equalling" his potential, otherwise he would no longer have potential and be fully developed.

To say he is already better than King is an absolute joke. Did you watch last year's GF? King absolutely dominated with his physical presence.

Yep, King played well in a side that won by 110 points. What a hero.

What you fail to mention, is that for most of the year he was playing seconds behind Mark Blake, who is no better than Cam Wood.

As for 2 weeks ago v STK, the match committee obviously disagree with you, as do I. I thought he was very ordinary that night. He was dropped for his performance in that game and replaced by a guy that many on this site don't think is worth an AFL game.

Who said Josh Fraser wasn't worth an AFL game?

You are doing the typical Collingwood rose coloured glasses brigade's work. See a bloke with potential and project his abilities through the roof before the performance warrants it

He's averaging 9 possesions and 11+ hit-outs this year, in something like 35-40% of game time.

The main thing he has to work on is fitness - if he were capable of playing 70% game-time, he'd be one of the best 5 tap ruckmen in the league. Not on potential, not 3 years down the track, but right now.

 

[mdc]

To say Wood is better than King is absurd. King has got so many performances over Wood, it's not funny. Most notably a dominating performance in a GF.Hopefully that will change in the next couple of years. In the meantime , lets not tell the world what a great ruckman Wood is until he performs at that level.

You're missing a very critical bit of information here. Stephen King is old. In his prime, he was certainly a better ruckman than Wood is right now. But he is not in his prime anymore. Any career "accomplishments" are irrelevant.

 

[kevind]

By definition, a player with "potential" cannot be "equalling" his potential, otherwise he would no longer have potential and be fully developed.



Yep, King played well in a side that won by 110 points. What a hero.

What you fail to mention, is that for most of the year he was playing seconds behind Mark Blake, who is no better than Cam Wood.



Who said Josh Fraser wasn't worth an AFL game?



He's averaging 9 possesions and 11+ hit-outs this year, in something like 35-40% of game time.

The main thing he has to work on is fitness - if he were capable of playing 70% game-time, he'd be one of the best 5 tap ruckmen in the league. Not on potential, not 3 years down the track, but right now.

To answer your first point, if your potential is to be, let's say a dominating ruckman but you are not performing like that at the moment, but 2 years later you begin dominating games.. then I would have thought your performance would then equal the potential you had shown earlier????


AS for the GF, King gave as dominating performance as any ruckman in a GF I have ever seen, regardless of the big win. Why they used Blake in preference to King before that still mystifies me.

I didn't mean Fraser, I was referring to Bryan.. I thought it was down to a choice of Bryan or Wood not Fraser or Wood.

Your final point is based on if, but and maybe. If fitness is the issue then hopefully he will get fitter and return to live up to that potential we all agree he has. The only flaw in his game from a technical aspect(ie I don't know the physchological issues eg Is he driven to succeed?) that I can see is that like Fraser, he lacks physical presence for a big guy. Maybe that will come with age and maturity.

 

[kevind]

Fair Enough - Wood has not had any Dominating Performances but Shown that he can in the Future.

Remember Ruckman take awhile and he is only 21 and they reach there peak around 25-27

Your last sentence makes an interesting question. Most midfielders are well established by the age of 21-22, has there ever been a dominating ruckman at the the age of 20 at AFL level?

 

[didak04]

What a rubbish thread. King is an old man whose best footy is well and truly behind him, recruiting him would have been incredibly short sighted and detrimental to the side as his body isn't able to withstand the rigours of a full season of football.

In Wood we have an outstanding prospect, young, athletic and plenty of time to develop into an outstanding ruckman. He gets dropped once and all of a sudden getting him to the club is a bad idea. I'm glad the OP isn't involved in recruiting at Collingwood, we'd be stuffed

 

[__DaVE]

Even Guy Richards showed potential at one stage.
he performs at that level.

why? why bring him up?

 

[melbourne150]

Actually, we will.

Johnstone is as outside as they come, and he wouldn't be adding all that much to our side. Or in other words, there's no way we would have traded the 14th pick for Travis Johnstone.

As for King, Wood is already a better ruckman and beat King+Gardner comfortably in the Saints game. He also has the advantage of being a tad younger.

If the 14th pick turns out to be some sort of superstar, then we can wallow in self-pity. But if the option is Wood or Johnstone+King, it's no contest.

Well i'm pretty confident that Jack Grimes will be a super star.