Cameron Cloke?

[K.Simpson]

Been in the system for a while, doesnt have a true position. He cant play forward because he cant take a make to save himselves, hes always running under the ball, he plays dumb footy and kicks the ball instead of giving it to the likes of stevens judd and gibbs to deliever, he is too short to be a ruckman and cant jump high enough. The only attribute i see is that he tries hard, and if thats all you need to get a game at Carlton were aint coming anywhere.

The obveous replacement is Brad Fisher, but he has been in woeful form this year and even in the VFL, so why not play Adam Hartlett at CHB (been BOG and in the best few playing at CHB in the reserves). Waite can then play forward and Thornton can play where he is meant to play, as loose man sweeping.

TADA CLOKE!

 

[The Grover]

Worst game I have seen him play for Carlton. I reckon he will not be as effective playing at MCG compared to Telstra dome due to bigger ground.

I also don't think the MCG surface suited him, as it was very wet & slippery.

Long term he is not the answer, but until Warnock & Hampson are ready to play ruck ( Kreuzer then moves forward ), he's the best option.

 

[blues_gibbzy]

Worst game I have seen him play for Carlton. I reckon he will not be as effective playing at MCG compared to Telstra dome due to bigger ground.

I also don't think the MCG surface suited him, as it was very wet & slippery.

Long term he is not the answer, but until Warnock & Hampson are ready to play ruck ( Kreuzer then moves forward ), he's the best option.

Hampson is ready to go. Yes Cloke is never going to put on a show or even kick a bag of 4 and in the OP someone mentioned Hartlett why not get him in to play CHB like you said drop Cloke swing Waite to CHF.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Cloke does OK. But unfortunately OK is sometimes not enough. It is fair to say he had a shocker yesterday. So did Wiggo, which only compounded the problem. It is a big structural problem.

My only concern with the Hartlett idea is that his body has let him down in his attempt to be our CHF, switching him to CHB does not put any less stresses on his body, but having said that many many players spend a couple of years strugling with their bodies before they finally come good and have an uninterupted run of a couple of seasons. Lets hope this option works for us. And one more positive it Harts can show to be a good option we can also swing him forward if needed from time to time.

The one thing that Cloke does bring to CHF is his big body. Fish does not bring that, I agree he is a marking option (although his kicking has been poor last year but these things come around) but he does not crash packs. I admit to not knowing a lot about Hammer, except the few seniors outings he has had, but my impression of him is that whilst he is athletic he has a bit to go on his skills (marking) and body positioning.

I am sure we are working on this because we seem to be 2 kpp players short, one at each end.

 

[WinOrLoseILoveEm]

Been in the system for a while, doesnt have a true position. He cant play forward because he cant take a make to save himselves, hes always running under the ball, he plays dumb footy and kicks the ball instead of giving it to the likes of stevens judd and gibbs to deliever, he is too short to be a ruckman and cant jump high enough. The only attribute i see is that he tries hard, and if thats all you need to get a game at Carlton were aint coming anywhere.............

TADA CLOKE!

Do you want Bear back?

 

[sosos]

After a largely ineffective first half and a bit in the forward line, Ratts moved Cloke into the ruck late in the third where he bullocked and did his best work. As a result, Carlton got closer to the Hawks. Start of the last and Ratten took him out of the ruck! At the time I thought it was a big mistake, because even though I love Kreuzer and thought he played well, Cloke's rucking style, though not as elegant and effective from a tapwork perspective, actually kept the ball in close where the mids worked hard and were winning there fair share of ball. It was sucking the flankers into the contest creating more room in the forwad line.

When Kreuzer rucked, the midfield unclogged, and the Hawks pace off the mark allowed them to scoot clear a little too easily, even though Kreuzer was winnning a lot of taps.

Not saying he is a long term ruck prospect, howver it was akin to the Jacobs bullocking big bodied ruckman that I thought was quite effective in the first few games.

 

[blues4flag]

You didn't see Kreuzer's second, third, fourth, fifth, nth efforts in the last quarter, tackling around the stoppages and doing his all to keep the Hawks from clearly it?

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

send him to the twos and bring in Hartlett or someone whos going to compete

 

[incog43]

You didn't see Kreuzer's second, third, fourth, fifth, nth efforts in the last quarter, tackling around the stoppages and doing his all to keep the Hawks from clearly it?

I did, this kid has such a huge heart, 2 great games in a row. The point he was making though, was that we needed to clear the ball from the center, Kreuzer on his hands and knees indicates we were not, to be fair thou, it was tight at the bounce.

20 year old kid, playing bigger bodies, played his guts out, played well, would love to have seen him go forward in the last and Cloke to the ruck. That's still not to say Cloke would have cleared the ball though.

Unless you are playing O'halpin defensively(primarily) I don't think you can play him at all. Much prefer to see Cloke roaming, seems more comfy on the move rather than in a fwd role.

Lot's of players were average yesterday, but we nearly snuck a win in. Good signs.

Well played by the Hawks as well, gutsy effort all day with a few good players out. Wsnt it nice to be right with them most of the day

 

[Waite_30]

Setanta's actions are now justified.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Been in the system for a while, doesnt have a true position. He cant play forward because he cant take a make to save himselves, hes always running under the ball, he plays dumb footy and kicks the ball instead of giving it to the likes of stevens judd and gibbs to deliever, he is too short to be a ruckman and cant jump high enough. The only attribute i see is that he tries hard, and if thats all you need to get a game at Carlton were aint coming anywhere.

The obveous replacement is Brad Fisher, but he has been in woeful form this year and even in the VFL, so why not play Adam Hartlett at CHB (been BOG and in the best few playing at CHB in the reserves). Waite can then play forward and Thornton can play where he is meant to play, as loose man sweeping.

TADA CLOKE!

It's posts like these that give stupidity a bad name.
Did have a shocker, probably his first one for the year in a "new" position, against that zone, and he's useless .

Can't take a mark? Taken many this year including a round 1 hanger. Presents and provides a viable option. Could kick more goals but does lead well up the ground. Takes a man away from Fev as well making us more unpredictable.

Then you come up with Hartlett!!!! He's been useless there forever and half the CHF Cloke is. Do you know anything? Fisher is a 3rd tall not a CHF. Would've been handy in Wiggo's spot as his contested marked would've been handy in a clustered zone. Not that I would've dropped Wiggo on form.

Cloke no star, never will be, I know that, but is our best option there. Probably his worst ever game for the Blues. Welcome to CHF the toughest position on the ground. In a "new" in the position for him and in such a zone cluster would've been a huge education. If CHF's could be picked easily the Bulldogs would be premiers. Doesn't happen so we make the best of what we have.

Other's suggested Kreuzer. Ummm, he's 19, still building and would ruin him there as he's not strong enough yet. We got him as a ruckman and round the ground player maybe occasionally resting in a FP, not a CHF full time.

Love knee-jerk reactions.

 

[K.Simpson]

It's posts like these that give stupidity a bad name.
Did have a shocker, probably his first one for the year in a "new" position, against that zone, and he's useless .

Can't take a mark? Taken many this year including a round 1 hanger. Presents and provides a viable option. Could kick more goals but does lead well up the ground. Takes a man away from Fev as well making us more unpredictable.

Then you come up with Hartlett!!!! He's been useless there forever and half the CHF Cloke is. Do you know anything? Fisher is a 3rd tall not a CHF. Would've been handy in Wiggo's spot as his contested marked would've been handy in a clustered zone. Not that I would've dropped Wiggo on form.

Cloke no star, never will be, I know that, but is our best option there. Probably his worst ever game for the Blues. Welcome to CHF the toughest position on the ground. In a "new" in the position for him and in such a zone cluster would've been a huge education. If CHF's could be picked easily the Bulldogs would be premiers. Doesn't happen so we make the best of what we have.

Other's suggested Kreuzer. Ummm, he's 19, still building and would ruin him there as he's not strong enough yet. We got him as a ruckman and round the ground player maybe occasionally resting in a FP, not a CHF full time.

Love knee-jerk reactions.

Obveously have watched NO Bullants this year champ, Hartlett has been very solid at CHB, and id like to see him IN, Waite forward and Thornton loose man, as my post said.

No one can ever doubt that Cloke tries hard and throws his body around, but when simple over head marks are dropped there have to be questions asked. And the amount of times this season he has not judged the drop of the ball and runs under it, as a result the ball going over his head would be higher than any other palyer in the AFL.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Worst game I have seen him play for Carlton

Can only get better from here on then

Give him a week or two in the 2's. He needs to be playing for us, yet I dont want him to get in the mindset that he is an automatic selection. He is not a good enough player to be going through the motions, and being complacent.

Get him in the 2's to give him a kick up the backside, get him hungry, and see if he wants to come out and play finals footy for the navy blues.

EDIT: FWIW, I now think Bannister should come in for him, with Hampson a close second depending how he plays today.

 

[CarltonSocialClub]

He's rubbish.

As the Triple M boys call him, the turtle! Tucks his head in and sh*ts himself when hard contact is imminent. He's not a CHF's as"shole and he's a dog of a bloke, trust me, Setenta was just doing what a lot of people were thinking when he clocked him.

Is Fisher ready yet? Would like to see him have a chance.

 

[Blue Dimension]

He's rubbish.

As the Triple M boys call him, the turtle! Tucks his head in and sh*ts himself when hard contact is imminent. He's not a CHF's as"shole and he's a dog of a bloke, trust me, Setenta was just doing what a lot of people were thinking when he clocked him.

Is Fisher ready yet? Would like to see him have a chance.

If people knew the real reason for that incident I don't think there'd be as much likeness around these parts for Cloke, that's all I'll say.

Calling him 'rubbish' is a bit harsh. He tries does Cloke, but I've said for a long while that he is too easily exploited. Not our answer to CHF.

 

[40yearBLUE]

He's rubbish.

As the Triple M boys call him, the turtle! Tucks his head in and sh*ts himself when hard contact is imminent. He's not a CHF's as"shole and he's a dog of a bloke, trust me, Setenta was just doing what a lot of people were thinking when he clocked him.

Is Fisher ready yet? Would like to see him have a chance.

All class this post. I am sure this is exactly what the coterie groups are saying too.

 

[Bell Ringer]

It's posts like these that give stupidity a bad name.
Did have a shocker, probably his first one for the year in a "new" position, against that zone, and he's useless .

Can't take a mark? Taken many this year including a round 1 hanger. Presents and provides a viable option. Could kick more goals but does lead well up the ground. Takes a man away from Fev as well making us more unpredictable.

Then you come up with Hartlett!!!! He's been useless there forever and half the CHF Cloke is. Do you know anything? Fisher is a 3rd tall not a CHF. Would've been handy in Wiggo's spot as his contested marked would've been handy in a clustered zone. Not that I would've dropped Wiggo on form.

Cloke no star, never will be, I know that, but is our best option there. Probably his worst ever game for the Blues. Welcome to CHF the toughest position on the ground. In a "new" in the position for him and in such a zone cluster would've been a huge education. If CHF's could be picked easily the Bulldogs would be premiers. Doesn't happen so we make the best of what we have.

Other's suggested Kreuzer. Ummm, he's 19, still building and would ruin him there as he's not strong enough yet. We got him as a ruckman and round the ground player maybe occasionally resting in a FP, not a CHF full time.

Love knee-jerk reactions.

He's played 8 games in the seniors, hardly "forever".... If he's on the list he should be given an opportunity if the guys in the ones clearly aren't up to it, ie; Cloke at CHF. I said it last year after the Sydney game and I'll say it again - Cloke is no good. He'll never, ever win you a game but his stinkers, which are mounting, will sure help lose one.

 

[gbatman]

We can't win a flag until we replace Cloke and move him on. Fact.

 

[Blueinblood]

Cloke wont be on the list in 3 years. He has done really well for the club the last few years in a crap side. He's not a top four side player.

 

[Warsaw]

Sad really, preseason we were all heaping praise on the lad, and definitley for the first few games. Now he's dead man walking...

 

[40yearBLUE]

We can't win a flag until we replace Cloke and move him on. Prediction.

Edited for accuracy.

fact / fakt/ • n. a thing that is indisputably the case.

But this is disputable, some people believe he is part of our successful set up. That you don't believe it does not make it indisputably so. Therefore it is not a fact, it is an assertion, or prediction. In order for this to be fact there has to be evidence and you cannot show evidence of future events. Possible future outcomes are not indisputably in evidence. Therefore not fact.

I am quite anal about this.

 

[BlueFeaver]

For arguments sake and I have actually said this before sometime ago............Austin is a possible CHF and should be given the opportunity.

He has the athletic ability, courage, size and is a very nice kick of the ball.

Harts is still the great white hope and I would not give up on him yet, he is still young for a KP and those Hamstrings may just be getting better.

 

[Theums16]

I think that he always gives 110% however he just frustrates me every game. He just cant read the play. He will pop up for his one great mark a game however we need him kicking goals. we need him kicking 2 or 3 a game to take pressure off Fev and help us to that next flag. However i don't see him part of the picture

 

[Dogmat]

It's posts like these that give stupidity a bad name.
Did have a shocker, probably his first one for the year in a "new" position, against that zone, and he's useless .

Can't take a mark? Taken many this year including a round 1 hanger. Presents and provides a viable option. Could kick more goals but does lead well up the ground. Takes a man away from Fev as well making us more unpredictable.

Then you come up with Hartlett!!!! He's been useless there forever and half the CHF Cloke is. Do you know anything? Fisher is a 3rd tall not a CHF. Would've been handy in Wiggo's spot as his contested marked would've been handy in a clustered zone. Not that I would've dropped Wiggo on form.

Cloke no star, never will be, I know that, but is our best option there. Probably his worst ever game for the Blues. Welcome to CHF the toughest position on the ground. In a "new" in the position for him and in such a zone cluster would've been a huge education. If CHF's could be picked easily the Bulldogs would be premiers. Doesn't happen so we make the best of what we have.

Other's suggested Kreuzer. Ummm, he's 19, still building and would ruin him there as he's not strong enough yet. We got him as a ruckman and round the ground player maybe occasionally resting in a FP, not a CHF full time.

Love knee-jerk reactions.

yes ... its probably knee-jerk ... but Cloke is not the answer .. the better sides exploit him everytime ... Hodge has had three 30+ disposal games playing off him in previous games ... he can't put defensive pressure on his opponent and the better teams link out of the backline through his opponent

and what's with him kicking the ball long at every opportunity ... another dumb Cloke ...the only time he used his head on the weekend was when the ball hit the back of it ... and just like his brother, he struggles unless everything goes right for him ...

like the idea of Hartlett proving his worth in the side ... but until Walker and Warnock come good ... we will need to live with the shortfalls of Cloke's game

his effort against Lewis on the wing late in the last quarter still infuriates me!!!

 

[gbatman]

Collingwood got something right when they delisted Cloke. They knew...