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[blackshadow]

Once again you continue to ignore that this is not the case, proving your ignorance continually.

It all goes back to the US and prohibition. Our government has little say on drug laws, there's a reason they're illegal everywhere and it all revolves around the US.

Can't wait for your rebuttal involving they're illegal for good reason again.

I'll save you the time.... Marty's response will be along these lines bla bla bla Singapore something something something Phil Walsh.

 

[marty36]

I still think we're decades, possibly even lifetimes away from any real progress sadly.

There won't be changes because the US dictates it, and the only drug they are changing their stance on so far is Marijuana.

Our government continues to waste people's money and time with their stupid scare scaremongering tactics and campaigns that do nothing except create a culture (particularly older people's views) that every person who uses an illicit drug will become a machete toting ice addict with no clue regarding what they're doing. Meanwhile studies continuously show that most of the illicit drugs are comparable with alcohol when it comes to damage, addiction etc and in some cases lower.

But yeah, continue to try and pathetically dig up Phil Walsh's death to try and justify this stupid war. Did the police's efforts stop his son from gaining access to unregulated stuffed up ice (or whatever it was)? Nope.

Gee I wonder why we are a lifetime away from change on drugs. Maybe because black shadow, livthekangas, jack outback and yoyrself will have no say what so ever on how this country runs it's policy. And I will say that's a bloody good thing.

And by drugs I'm talking coke, heroine, ice etc

 

[blackshadow]

Gee I wonder why we are a lifetime away from change on drugs. Maybe because black shadow, livthekangas, jack outback and yoyrself will have no say what so ever on how this country runs it's policy. And I will say that's a bloody good thing.

And by drugs I'm talking coke, heroine, ice etc

Heroine huh?

 

[PP34]

Everyone's an advocate until they damage themself with a drug in the exact way they were warned would happen.

Bull.

 

[Westicle]

Once again you continue to ignore that this is not the case, proving your ignorance continually.

It all goes back to the US and prohibition. Our government has little say on drug laws, there's a reason they're illegal everywhere and it all revolves around the US.

Can't wait for your rebuttal involving they're illegal for good reason again.

Not true. Our government has unfettered discretion to make laws about drug use, it is called sovereignty. Look it up.

Secondly, the UN supports decriminalization, going so far as to suggest the "war on drugs" may be contrary to international human rights laws.

Recently, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime quietly circulated a remarkable document not only calling “decriminalising drug use and possession for personal consumption…consistent with international drug control conventions” but stating that doing so “may be required to meet obligations under international human rights law.” - http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/cen...ginning_of_the_end_of_drug_war_as_we_knew_it/

 

[PP34]

Not true. Our government has unfettered discretion to make laws about drug use, it is called sovereignty. Look it up.

Secondly, the UN supports decriminalization, going so far as to suggest the "war on drugs" may be contrary to international human rights laws.

Recently, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime quietly circulated a remarkable document not only calling “decriminalising drug use and possession for personal consumption…consistent with international drug control conventions” but stating that doing so “may be required to meet obligations under international human rights law.” - http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/cen...ginning_of_the_end_of_drug_war_as_we_knew_it/

I know that.

The US would still make things incredibly tough. Let's not act like they wouldn't have a major say in what the UN does.

 

[JackOutback]

Everyone's an advocate until they damage themself with a drug in the exact way they were warned would happen.

Not true. I know people who have used drugs sporadically with no lasting effects. I also have close family members who have become addicted. It didn't change my mind, they would have been better served if they were not criminalised. As a side note, a family member was an alcoholic, it was just as damaging as any illicit drug, except his addiction is acceptable to polite society.

 

[fishardansin]

Luckily it makes no difference what you think your opinion counts for nothing. The government has firm views on drugs and with the amount if resources they are putting into the problems at regional centres there will not be a change to make them legal from either political party.

Unless you plan on starting your own party or lobbying the government your opinion is worthless.

You keep going back to that after you have fact burn after fact burn. It's almost like you think the laws are written in stone.

 

[marty36]

You keep going back to that after you have fact burn after fact burn. It's almost like you think the laws are written in stone.

show me an article where the federal government is quoted even considering legalising Ice,

 

[fishardansin]

show me an article where the federal government is quoted even considering legalising Ice,

What has that got to do with anything? Here's a new term for you. Non sequitur.

 

[marty36]

What has that got to do with anything? Here's a new term for you. Non sequitur.

Keep going about this legalisation it won't happen it isn't happening I don't suppose it even matters you keep talking about it. Won't happen

 

[Badesumofu]

Keep going about this legalisation it won't happen it isn't happening I don't suppose it even matters you keep talking about it. Won't happen

Yep no way - next they'll be advocating for inter-racial marriage or the legalisation of sodomy! Kids these days. Nothing ever changes.

 

[marty36]

Yep no way - next they'll be advocating for inter-racial marriage or the legalisation of sodomy! Kids these days. Nothing ever changes.

Good luck with your law change, they might even drop speed limits you may not even need a drivers licence to drive who knows things change unlikely but who knows hahahahaha

 

[Badesumofu]

Good luck with your law change, they might even drop speed limits you may not even need a drivers licence to drive who knows things change unlikely but who knows hahahahaha

Clearly English isn't your first language so I will clarify for you - I wasn't actually proposing law change, I was making fun of the suggestion that reform never happens. Even if it seems unthinkable to you personally.

 

[marty36]

Clearly English isn't your first language so I will clarify for you - I wasn't actually proposing law change, I was making fun of the suggestion that reform never happens. Even if it seems unthinkable to you personally.

You can think about a lot of things like time travel doesn't mean it will happen hahahahahahaha

 

[fishardansin]

Good luck with your law change, they might even drop speed limits you may not even need a drivers licence to drive who knows things change unlikely but who knows hahahahaha

Yes using drugs and operating a one tonne vehicle in a public space are totally equivalent.

 

[fishardansin]

You can think about a lot of things like time travel doesn't mean it will happen hahahahahahaha

Are you laughing to cover that everyone else is laughing at you, or are you a troll who's spent the last few days pretending to be a semi literate idiot who has little understanding of history, psychology, law or politics? If it's the later, well played. If it's the former, I'm not wasting my time kicking the disabled kid.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm starting to think Marty might be on something himself.

 

[Akka76]

something I can't work out... I'd ask this on the Saints board, as it's come up there a lot, but obviously I can't because it's understandably a private thread... and it came up a fair bit on here anyway, most notably from my absolute favourite poster Akka76

But how on earth does anyone thing EFC could have known about this? Serious question. The guy quit the club the minute the siren rang on the Collingwood game. And that was nearly 2 months ago. I can't imagine there's been too many back and forths.

So how the hell would EFC know what he's been getting up to in nightclubs on the other side of the world. Anyone?

ha Ha.... keep trying champ.......

 

[Strahany]

Anyone with even a modicum of pharmacological and/or physiological knowledge would know that that the harshest component of most "hard drugs" could be eliminated if it were legalised.

Properly refined heroin, for example, has effectively zero adverse side effects, beyond the risk of death from overdose. However, an abundance of risks arise from its illegal use, including needle sharing, the drug being cut with unknown substances to enhance profits, and criminal activity to fund the expensive use.

If it were legal, there would be less stigma, and people would be more likely to abstain from disease havens such as drug hideouts, therefore reducing the likelihood of needle sharing.
If it were legal, you could obtain pure heroin from reputable pharmacies, thus eliminating the possibility of it being cut with a myriad of unknown and dangerous substances. Additionally, there is a reduced risk of overdosing due to the combination of proper medical advice, and a known concentration of the compound.
If it were legal, it would be cheaper, thus preventing the need for users having to resort to criminal activities in order to pay for their habit.

Sure, there are risks such as users slacking off from work, or driving under the influence, or still overdosing. But these are all "socially acceptable" side effects of alcohol, so there is no logical reason to enforce such prohibitory measures.

And, before people start exclaiming that making it more accessible would increase uptake - yes, it probably would, but only by a small amount. Just because something is legalised, does not mean it will begin to be used by every person under the sun. I, myself, completely abstain from alcohol, and am far more open to the prospect of many illegal compounds, simply because I understand the fact that the latter are far less dangerous to my health than the former.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Anyone with even a modicum of pharmacological and/or physiological knowledge would know that that the harshest component of most "hard drugs" could be eliminated if it were legalised.

Properly refined heroin, for example, has effectively zero adverse side effects, beyond the risk of death from overdose. However, an abundance of risks arise from its illegal use, including needle sharing, the drug being cut with unknown substances to enhance profits, and criminal activity to fund the expensive use.

If it were legal, there would be less stigma, and people would be more likely to abstain from disease havens such as drug hideouts, therefore reducing the likelihood of needle sharing.
If it were legal, you could obtain pure heroin from reputable pharmacies, thus eliminating the possibility of it being cut with a myriad of unknown and dangerous substances. Additionally, there is a reduced risk of overdosing due to the combination of proper medical advice, and a known concentration of the compound.
If it were legal, it would be cheaper, thus preventing the need for users having to resort to criminal activities in order to pay for their habit.

Sure, there are risks such as users slacking off from work, or driving under the influence, or still overdosing. But these are all "socially acceptable" side effects of alcohol, so there is no logical reason to enforce such prohibitory measures.

And, before people start exclaiming that making it more accessible would increase uptake - yes, it probably would, but only by a small amount. Just because something is legalised, does not mean it will begin to be used by every person under the sun. I, myself, completely abstain from alcohol, and am far more open to the prospect of many illegal compounds, simply because I understand the fact that the latter are far less dangerous to my health than the former.

You speak a lot of sense and I agree with you 100%.
Unfortunately most people won't share your view, only the open-minded ones will.
Alcohol is also a drug is it not?
The only reason it remains legal is purely due to the fact that it has been around for a lot longer than drugs.

 

[Ando727]

Everyone's an advocate until they damage themself with a drug in the exact way they were warned would happen.

Yep. There's nothing more certain than the fact the person arguing conspiracy theories and relating it to US prohibition etc. is actually an active drug user who wants more permission/approval of what they do. I couldn't give a rats about the governmental conspiracies - I'm happy for drugs to remain illegal simply for the fact that it's a sad statement about humanity that we would think we need to use drugs to augment our lives and reality. I could handle it if alcohol was banned too. Anyone who needs drugs is already on a downward path. Anyone who can live without them, wouldn't care if they are outlawed. The real journey of a person is in their own mind - perception, growth, understanding, wisdom. Drugs are not necessary for fulfilment. They sidetrack it.

 

[marty36]

Are you laughing to cover that everyone else is laughing at you, or are you a troll who's spent the last few days pretending to be a semi literate idiot who has little understanding of history, psychology, law or politics? If it's the later, well played. If it's the former, I'm not wasting my time kicking the disabled kid.

hahahahahah and who am I? Keep thinking the laws will change if they makes you happy. Then you might not need drugs to make you happy! hahahahahahahah

 

[marty36]

Are you laughing to cover that everyone else is laughing at you, or are you a troll who's spent the last few days pretending to be a semi literate idiot who has little understanding of history, psychology, law or politics? If it's the later, well played. If it's the former, I'm not wasting my time kicking the disabled kid.

By the way yopur debating with an anonymous poster on a social media website, I just do it for fun, you seem to take it seriously. get off those bloody drugs! hahahahaha

 

[DERIBERATE]

Not true. I know people who have used drugs sporadically with no lasting effects. I also have close family members who have become addicted. It didn't change my mind, they would have been better served if they were not criminalised. As a side note, a family member was an alcoholic, it was just as damaging as any illicit drug, except his addiction is acceptable to polite society.

People like you making excuses for these losers is what stops them getting the wake up call they need.

Take drugs, ruin your life and watch me give a shit (and vote)