Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc) - Part 3

[FRUMPY]

And here are the repercussions of the AFL demonizing individual players:

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

www.foxsports.com.au

If you give morons permission, they're going to do this sh*t. The AFL media/establishment should have a good hard look at themselves and ask, to what extent did we encourage this with the way we've attacked him publicly over the past few days?

Yes, its the media's fault a nuffie was racist......yes.....

 

[Gethelred]

Yes, its the media's fault a nuffie was racist......yes.....

Well, what did they think was going to happen???

They've been smashing him for weeks. They've called him lazy, called him unfit, called him soft. They've thrown insult after insult at him, and then when he's reacted - again, the way that 99% of players in the comp were going to react - they've smashed him again with 'dog act', 'unconscionable'.

They did this with the Goodes thing, pretended there were two sides to the booing until it became redundantly obvious that an aboriginal player was about to be chased out of the game. If you're looking to laugh bleakly at something - and you usually are - take a look at the change in tone in the media once the AFL pundits realised the leviathan they'd created, and the backpedalling they tried to slow it down with without success.

When you spend all this time demonizing someone, you've made it permissible for the muppets who think it's okay to do things like this. And I've said before it's interesting who gets called lazy in the AFL.

The media have a lot to answer for. They fanned the flames of this, and now they've made a lovely wee blaze. Watch them douse this down now; because they don't want the lens placed on their culpability.

 

[Arr0w]

Well, what did they think was going to happen???

They've been smashing him for weeks. They've called him lazy, called him unfit, called him soft. They've thrown insult after insult at him, and then when he's reacted - again, the way that 99% of players in the comp were going to react - they've smashed him again with 'dog act', 'unconscionable'.

They did this with the Goodes thing, pretended there were two sides to the booing until it became redundantly obvious that an aboriginal player was about to be chased out of the game. If you're looking to laugh bleakly at something - and you usually are - take a look at the change in tone in the media once the AFL pundits realised the leviathan they'd created, and the backpedalling they tried to slow it down with without success.

When you spend all this time demonizing someone, you've made it permissible for the muppets who think it's okay to do things like this. And I've said before it's interesting who gets called lazy in the AFL.

The media have a lot to answer for. They fanned the flames of this, and now they've made a lovely wee blaze. Watch them douse this down now; because they don't want the lens placed on their culpability.

The media may and often do set the wheels in motion for their own clickbait, but people respond in different ways.

Brown wanted to grandstand, calling/claiming Williams was doing or not doing, certain things, while stating he had all this evidence, yet supplying very little.

Most of our own supporters agreed, some not as harshly

Other supporters? Just guessing, but most of them also probably were convinced it was accurate to a tee, some laugh some troll

Then you get an extreme minority, a racist coward. With or without the media commenting, that, unfortunately, will never change for these types

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

And here are the repercussions of the AFL demonizing individual players:

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

www.foxsports.com.au

If you give morons permission, they're going to do this sh*t. The AFL media/establishment should have a good hard look at themselves and ask, to what extent did we encourage this with the way we've attacked him publicly over the past few days?

*media*

BigFooty? Pot-kettle

It's not good on this forum either at times, but BF is a bit more insulated. The media is far more mainstream and visible. Not that that makes it ok.

Yes, its the media's fault a nuffie was racist......yes.....

The media normalises the player bashing. How somebody chooses to present that bashing is entirely on the individual, but the media isn't an innocent party to this.

 

[Gethelred]

The media may and often do set the wheels in motion for their own clickbait, but people respond in different ways.

Brown wanted to grandstand, calling/claiming Williams was doing or not doing, certain things, while stating he had all this evidence, yet supplying very little.

Most of our own supporters agreed, some not as harshly

Other supporters? Just guessing, but most of them also probably were convinced it was accurate to a tee, some laugh some troll

Then you get an extreme minority, a racist coward. With or without the media commenting, that, unfortunately, will never change for these types

There is a marked difference between a lone dude who is a racist sitting by themselves thinking racist things, the boorish facile 'pundit' who sits in front of a television to call an aboriginal soft and lazy, and the reptilian cynical arseh*le who produces the entire thing and lets the flames grow in order to have more material to sell ad space.

The latter two empower the former.

 

[bluesmell]

Well, what did they think was going to happen???

They've been smashing him for weeks. They've called him lazy, called him unfit, called him soft. They've thrown insult after insult at him, and then when he's reacted - again, the way that 99% of players in the comp were going to react - they've smashed him again with 'dog act', 'unconscionable'.

They did this with the Goodes thing, pretended there were two sides to the booing until it became redundantly obvious that an aboriginal player was about to be chased out of the game. If you're looking to laugh bleakly at something - and you usually are - take a look at the change in tone in the media once the AFL pundits realised the leviathan they'd created, and the backpedalling they tried to slow it down with without success.

When you spend all this time demonizing someone, you've made it permissible for the muppets who think it's okay to do things like this. And I've said before it's interesting who gets called lazy in the AFL.

The media have a lot to answer for. They fanned the flames of this, and now they've made a lovely wee blaze. Watch them douse this down now; because they don't want the lens placed on their culpability.

This.
AFL media is a troll factory. I don’t really understand its organisational structure, but not many companies can get away with singling out and criticising / shaming an employee publicly.

The parallels to Goodes are disturbing. Shame on the AFL (we already know what to expect from the tabloid media).

Zac W, must be a damn strong character to put up with all that then come play a great game.

 

[Juddalenko]

Media normalising? No. People need to be accountable for their actions. Being unkind or worse to someone is not tolerated from when a person is able to comprehend right from wrong (usually about 2-3 years old). By adulthood, people know the difference.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

And here are the repercussions of the AFL demonizing individual players:

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

‘Gutless s**t’: Racist troll exposed after vile attack on Carlton star

www.foxsports.com.au

If you give morons permission, they're going to do this sh*t. The AFL media/establishment should have a good hard look at themselves and ask, to what extent did we encourage this with the way we've attacked him publicly over the past few days?

Eddie has had nothing but praise for his entire career and he still cops it, far worst than anybody probably knows.
Nothing to do with the media, it is a small racist group of pinheads who just shout from the dark hoping somebody notices their pathetic existence.
The media should not highlight these as it is giving these clowns the oxygen they crave. Block them and hunt them down. When we have a face to the message then you parade them out for all to see.

 

[Gethelred]

Media normalising? No. People need to be accountable for their actions. Being unkind or worse to someone is not tolerated from when a person is able to comprehend right from wrong (usually about 2-3 years old). By adulthood, people know the difference.

... do I have to list the wrongdoing of adults throughout history to demonstrate the degree to which you are wrong?

Racism isn't invented by children.

What shifts is what is permissible to speak out loud. It's called the Overton Window; the things society will accept versus that which it won't.

 

[Broadside]

I see Jonathan Brown's critique of Zac Williams and the racism in social media as two quite separate issues.

does the media have a responsibility not to single out individuals for harsh criticism? perhaps. Should ethnicity impact this responsibility? I don't think so. I don't believe Jonathan Brown's comments would have been any different for someone with a different background who was very highly paid but underperforming / turned up unfit.

The peanut who made the vile racist attack on Williams was not empowered in any way by Brown's comments. People like that always find some way to rationalise their position, no matter how absurd.

 

[Arr0w]

There is a marked difference between a lone dude who is a racist sitting by themselves thinking racist things, the boorish facile 'pundit' who sits in front of a television to call an aboriginal soft and lazy, and the reptilian cynical a-hole who produces the entire thing and lets the flames grow in order to have more material to sell ad space.

The latter two empower the former.

I might have this wrong, but are you suggesting, Brown's comments incited a racist, who then created a bogus account to use racist comments against Williams?

 

[GenYBlue]

So the Media that has been criticising Williams' PERFORMANCE is responsible for someone racially vilifying him?

Spare me.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I might have this wrong, but are you suggesting, Brown's comments incited a racist, who then created a bogus account to use racist comments against Williams?

I guess it's not so much Brown's comments specifically, but that the AFL media in general seems to mirror social media commentary in it's tendency to swing between the extremes.

Players, coaches and teams are either the second coming or lazy/unifit/selfish/stupid/arrogant/entitled/overrated/overpaid/etc.

When all the "expert" content eschews accuracy for impact, it's unsurprising that the comments from the general public do the same. Everyone is chasing their likes and shares and whatever else gets their rocks off on social media, and they're encouraged to do so by the "celebrities" who make careers out of doing so.

Media reporting with some kind of responsible moderation wouldn't change things over night, but it could in time see a gradual maturation of the way fans view the game.

Probably a pipe dream, though.

As we all know, idiots will be idiots.

 

[Arr0w]

I guess it's not so much Brown's comments specifically, but that the AFL media in general seems to mirror social media commentary in it's tendency to swing between the extremes.

Players, coaches and teams are either the second coming or lazy/unifit/selfish/stupid/arrogant/entitled/overrated/overpaid/etc.

When all the "expert" content eschews accuracy for impact, it's unsurprising that the comments from the general public do the same. Everyone is chasing their likes and shares and whatever else gets their rocks off on social media, and they're encouraged to do so by the "celebrities" who make careers out of doing so.

Media reporting with some kind of responsible moderation wouldn't change things over night, but it could in time see a gradual maturation of the way fans view the game.

Probably a pipe dream, though.

As we all know, idiots will be idiots.

I think the last line, will always be the case.

We have seen indigenous players targeted without the spotlight of previous performances highlighted.

People like that, don't need an excuse

 

[Blue__Balls]

So the Media that has been criticising Williams' PERFORMANCE is responsible for someone racially vilifying him?

Spare me.

It's not that they criticised his performance, it's how they did so.

For what it's worth, I think Ratten actually did an admirable job of shielding Brad Hill from some of this sort of treatment. On a number of occasions he publicly stated that Hills' teammates weren't looking for him enough, or getting the ball to him enough. There's certainly some truth to that, and probably a degree of poor form/performance from Hill himself, as well as an understanding that a player may not simply walk into a new club and immediately fit into their systems and structures the way they did at their previous club.

And here we are again - balanced analysis and reporting. If instead of chasing headlines, a few journos opted to do some research into how established players who move clubs perform in year 1, year 2, year 3 at their new club, we might see some interesting conversation.

Even if it shows that a certain player has regressed more than the norm, at least it would be generating discussion around why instead of just laying the boot in.

 

[AceAndy]

It's not that they criticised his performance, it's how they did so.

For what it's worth, I think Ratten actually did an admirable job of shielding Brad Hill from some of this sort of treatment. On a number of occasions he publicly stated that Hills' teammates weren't looking for him enough, or getting the ball to him enough. There's certainly some truth to that, and probably a degree of poor form/performance from Hill himself, as well as an understanding that a player may not simply walk into a new club and immediately fit into their systems and structures the way they did at their previous club.

And here we are again - balanced analysis and reporting. If instead of chasing headlines, a few journos opted to do some research into how established players who move clubs perform in year 1, year 2, year 3 at their new club, we might see some interesting conversation.

Even if it shows that a certain player has regressed more than the norm, at least it would be generating discussion around why instead of just laying the boot in.

What in the Media's criticism was the problem ?

 

[Blue__Balls]

What in the Media's criticism was the problem ?

Media coverage now is about buzzwords and sensationalism.

Williams was universally slammed on just about every AFL program and platform. The choice phrases from those programs then become headlines despite only being opinion. Those headlines make their way to social media because they generate clicks and comments. People then see those headlines and feel empowered to jump into the comments section and tee off as well, either because they're too dim to think for themselves and let the headline lead their opinion, or because they enjoy riling up strangers on the internet for their own amusement.

Would they do it anyway? Probably, to an extent. But its a cultural thing that mainstream media encourages rather than seeks to overcome.

 

[Gethelred]

I might have this wrong, but are you suggesting, Brown's comments incited a racist, who then created a bogus account to use racist comments against Williams?

I am saying that the media needs to have a think about what words they choose to use, and the frequency those words seem to come up when describing indigenous players.

 

[Gethelred]

So the Media that has been criticising Williams' PERFORMANCE is responsible for someone racially vilifying him?

Spare me.

Consider yourself spared.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Well, what did they think was going to happen???

They've been smashing him for weeks. They've called him lazy, called him unfit, called him soft. They've thrown insult after insult at him, and then when he's reacted - again, the way that 99% of players in the comp were going to react - they've smashed him again with 'dog act', 'unconscionable'.

They did this with the Goodes thing, pretended there were two sides to the booing until it became redundantly obvious that an aboriginal player was about to be chased out of the game. If you're looking to laugh bleakly at something - and you usually are - take a look at the change in tone in the media once the AFL pundits realised the leviathan they'd created, and the backpedalling they tried to slow it down with without success.

When you spend all this time demonizing someone, you've made it permissible for the muppets who think it's okay to do things like this. And I've said before it's interesting who gets called lazy in the AFL.

The media have a lot to answer for. They fanned the flames of this, and now they've made a lovely wee blaze. Watch them douse this down now; because they don't want the lens placed on their culpability.

Agreed...didn't the AFL website run with a headline "Missy Higgins" when Jack Higgins kicked all those points against Sydney?

 

[AceAndy]

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Media coverage now is about buzzwords and sensationalism.

Williams was universally slammed on just about every AFL program and platform. The choice phrases from those programs then become headlines despite only being opinion. Those headlines make their way to social media because they generate clicks and comments. People then see those headlines and feel empowered to jump into the comments section and tee off as well, either because they're too dim to think for themselves and let the headline lead their opinion, or because they enjoy riling up strangers on the internet for their own amusement.

Would they do it anyway? Probably, to an extent. But its a cultural thing that mainstream media encourages rather than seeks to overcome.

I suspect they would and Media commentary plays no part in inspiring them to do so.

I am struggling to see the link here.

 

[Arr0w]

I am saying that the media needs to have a think about what words they choose to use, and the frequency those words seem to come up when describing indigenous players.

Let's not have different delivery language. It's either acceptable or it isn't.

I do agree the the media need to be mindful, but that's across the board

 

[Aphrodite]

Didn't the AFL website run with a headline "Missy Higgins" when he kicked all those points against Sydney?

That was Jack Higgins.

Frustrated St Kilda bosses call up the AFL over ‘negative’ nickname

Fans responded to the criticism by voting for Jack Higgins as player of the game - but club bosses took their complaints even higher.

7news.com.au

 

[Beyond Blue]

That was Jack Higgins.

Frustrated St Kilda bosses call up the AFL over ‘negative’ nickname

Fans responded to the criticism by voting for Jack Higgins as player of the game - but club bosses took their complaints even higher.

7news.com.au

yep edited my last post

 

[Accidental genius]

I’d like to make a side comment that brown probably went over the top singling out zac. There may be some truths to what he said but thinking about it now it was a bit exaggerated and when you single out a player like that it can lead to all sorts of issues. Although at the time I sort of sympathised with what brown said.