Carlton, Outside looking in

[Bojangles17]

I've been looking on with interest how the ol Navy Blues have self destructed in recent years with an eerie sense of de ja vu for tiger fans. With their current board bumbling from one cluster @#$! to another it really proves how destructive instability at board level can be to the clubs fortunes both on and off the field. Refer to RFC period 1982-2004. I'm ever so grateful that we are not one of the AFL's punks a'la the Blues, Demons, Dogs and North where decisions cannot be made without the impromata of the Boss..only little ones I suppose like sacking coaches, interstate home games etc

For once we aren't making headlines for all the wrong reasons, good luck to Steve Wright in his recovery we need you back mate

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Its funny how they seem to think that good draft picks = immediate improvement. You really have to get the coach and development team right, and of course the business side of things, before you can successful.

I'm going to laugh so hard when they finish at the bottom end of the ladder for the next 5 years, and their high draft picks all want to leave (ala thornton) after the end of their first contracts. Then we can scoop some of the talent if they havent already ruined them (like we ruined the talent of ottens, and perhaps fiora by not kicking their butts into shape).

 

[astro_toby]

carltons board trouble dont seem to go away, and is very much ala richmond of the past 20years. Onfield i think they are gonna be alot stronger than people might think, and alot sooner as well. And when they do, like it or not, Victoria footy will be alot stronger for it - if we can get Essendon, carlton richmond and collingwood all strong at the same time again - show me the money baby!! expect 60,000 supporters each week, and finally victoria can compete with the interstate teams again.

Their board though is a mess, it doesnt seem to get any better, a challenge is not far away IMO, and maybe then, something will finally give. as much as people like to murder Elliott, he did a hell of alot better job running that club than "AFL" collins, and Smorgan. he was a strong leader, who didnt accept excuses and either supportered someone 100% or pissed them off straight away. This current board is so bloody wishy washy its really hard to understand what exactly they are thinking, or trying to achieve. i think if Elliott was there, he would have had things moving alot quicker - he MADE things happen, legal or not - sometimes the people who push the rules to the limits are the ones who get that one percent extra - such as essendon with Mal Michael. sometimes the difference between being a mastermind or a cheat is a) getting caught or b) inturpretation.

 

[1980]

Carlton were always going to struggle when the era of buying players with unlimited resources was over.

Their last great team was in 1995 and was full of pre-draft cheque book players like Kernahan, Diesel, Bradley and McKay.

When they couldnt replace those players by writing more cheques, they ended up where they are now.

 

[Bojangles17]

carltons board trouble dont seem to go away, and is very much ala richmond of the past 20years. Onfield i think they are gonna be alot stronger than people might think, and alot sooner as well. .

think you missed the whole point of this thread buddy, success is nigh impossible with armegeddon happening at board level...and I dont care who the hell theyre drafting ....success doesn't happen by accident

 

[wart101]

I've been looking on with interest how the ol Navy Blues have self destructed in recent years with an eerie sense of de ja vu for tiger fans. With their current board bumbling from one cluster @#$! to another it really proves how destructive instability at board level can be to the clubs fortunes both on and off the field. Refer to RFC period 1982-2004. I'm ever so grateful that we are not one of the AFL's punks a'la the Blues, Demons, Dogs and North where decisions cannot be made without the impromata of the Boss..only little ones I suppose like sacking coaches, interstate home games etc

For once we aren't making headlines for all the wrong reasons, good luck to Steve Wright in his recovery we need you back mate

Dude, board level dissorganisation runs straight down the ladder, i know this because i work for a company right now where the board is partially broken and we are tredding thin ice at the moment, you see the thing is when the board isn't working properlly and that dissorganisation is reflected to the employees it sufferes aat production level,

i imagine that it would be the same at a football club, think about what it was like at richmond 2 years ago, i still remember when TW said that when he first got there he had to clean the gym because it was full of animal ******** (can't remember what animal), now what kind of CEO or even coach would let a club get to this point? things must have been pretty bad,

i don't know what state carlton are in but one thing i do know is tere financial state isn't to good, the company i work for is even worse off so i can only imagine how those players and supporters might fell not knowing that weaether in the future they are going to be playing or barracking for the club they love,

if i where a carlton supporter i ould be very angry at the moment not knowing what is going to happen to the future of the club, if the tiges say became a merged club or had a completly different name that would be it for me.

GLENELG WOULD THEN BECOME MY HOME.

 

[Big Punt]

Carlton down and out = bliss

 

[1980]

Dude, board level dissorganisation runs straight down the ladder, i know this because i work for a company right now where the board is partially broken and we are tredding thin ice at the moment, you see the thing is when the board isn't working properlly and that dissorganisation is reflected to the employees it sufferes aat production level,

i imagine that it would be the same at a football club, think about what it was like at richmond 2 years ago, i still remember when TW said that when he first got there he had to clean the gym because it was full of animal ******** (can't remember what animal), now what kind of CEO or even coach would let a club get to this point? things must have been pretty bad,

i don't know what state carlton are in but one thing i do know is tere financial state isn't to good, the company i work for is even worse off so i can only imagine how those players and supporters might fell not knowing that weaether in the future they are going to be playing or barracking for the club they love,

if i where a carlton supporter i ould be very angry at the moment not knowing what is going to happen to the future of the club, if the tiges say became a merged club or had a completly different name that would be it for me.

GLENELG WOULD THEN BECOME MY HOME.

Not a good comparison. With regards to the company you work for, its you that brings the whole place down.

 

[Bojangles17]

Dude, board level dissorganisation runs straight down the ladder, i know this because i work for a company right now where the board is partially broken and we are tredding thin ice at the moment, you see the thing is when the board isn't working properlly and that dissorganisation is reflected to the employees it sufferes aat production level,

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dunno if thats what you intended but you reinforced precisely what my thread was about...if the management is %#$@ then you aint got a hope...business, footy clubs...doesn't matter...all takes good management to be successful

 

[Crumden]

i still remember when TW said that when he first got there he had to clean the gym because it was full of animal ******** (can't remember what animal), now what kind of CEO or even coach would let a club get to this point? things must have been pretty bad,

Possum ********. And I think it was in Danny frawleys office. He used the little balls of possum ******** as players to work out his game plan strategy on the desk when Madtigers diagrams were too complicated for him.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Proves how overrated Pagan is. Pretty stupid move to leave the kangaroos hehehe

 

[Tambo]

Possum ********. And I think it was in Danny frawleys office. He used the little balls of possum ******** as players to work out his game plan strategy on the desk when Madtigers diagrams were too complicated for him.

 

[captain blood 17]

tell you what, i'm going to try and feel sorry for Carlton right now ......mmmm..... nope nothing. talk to saints supporters and north and old fitzroy supporters about what carlton has done to them and did to them over the years. this is football god karma and it is right and justified. i hope they continue to live in the 'house that big jack built' for a few years yet. go tigers

 

[parrot]

Sound's like you guys have been nicely sucked-in by one of Caro's latest anti-Carlton Sunday fabrications. You are after all her target demographic. For the record, the Blues have made some sensational progress over the offseason, and now have the most talented young list in the comp by some margin, one or two light years better than what you guys have, hence the envy. But I guess that doesn't sell papers.

 

[IDGAF]

For the record, the Blues have made some sensational progress over the offseason, and now have the most talented young list in the comp by some margin, one or two light years better than what you guys have, hence the envy. But I guess that doesn't sell papers.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo @ that

Nice try Parrot

Do you work in marketing ?

 

[pantsdown]

Sound's like you guys have been nicely sucked-in by one of Caro's latest anti-Carlton Sunday fabrications. You are after all her target demographic. For the record, the Blues have made some sensational progress over the offseason, and now have the most talented young list in the comp by some margin, one or two light years better than what you guys have, hence the envy. But I guess that doesn't sell papers.

Well lets hope your prepared for some more pain, stay tuned Parrot, i think i can hear the knive cupboard rattling, Neoptisim is alive and well at Bluesland.

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton were always going to struggle when the era of buying players with unlimited resources was over.

Their last great team was in 1995 and was full of pre-draft cheque book players like Kernahan, Diesel, Bradley and McKay.

When they couldnt replace those players by writing more cheques, they ended up where they are now.

And someone called 1980 would know alot about winning flags and success!

We didn't replace those guys because we drafted and traded poorly under Parkin and Brittain leadership and we were then hit with the salary cap penalties on top of that.

Andrew McKay was drafted just like Camporeale, Pearce, Clape, Whitehead, Sexton, Hogg and Rice when no other club wanted them and they went onto play in a flag. They weren't pinched from another club like Gaspar, Nathan Brown, Stafford and all those Fitzroy players you politely signed for nix when their club was dying a slow death.

Did you buy them with money or recruit them with the promise of better performances and a stable future?

And people say we bought the 1995 flag when everyone bought players left, right and centre during the eighties.

We were successfull because we were well run rather than wealthy and players viewed Carlton as as an attractive destination if you wanted to have any chance of success.

Brown and Wallace should have stayed at the Dogs if they wanted to play in the finals.

 

[mighty tiges]

We didn't replace those guys because we drafted and traded poorly under Parkin and Brittain leadership and we were then hit with the salary cap penalties on top of that.

Isn't that 1980's point?! That once the Blues couldn't buy success they couldn't or more likely under Elliot refused to work under the draft and salary cap system. Elliot's Carlton thought they were above the rules and got nailed.

You were "hit" with salary cap penalties because you cheated with brown paper bag payments to players under the desk. You've got to love how a number of Blues fan talk as if it was the AFL's fault and not Carlton's for the rabble they have become . It's hilarous that some of those involved in crippling the Blues are now trying to get back on the board or at least get their mates on.

Rice came from St Kilda btw.

 

[Melbdave81]

Isn't that 1980's point?! That once the Blues couldn't buy success they couldn't or more like under Elliot refused to work under the draft and salary cap system.

You were "hit" with salary cap penalties because you cheated with brown paper bag payments to players under the desk. You've got to love how a number of Blues fan talk as if it was the AFL's fault and not Carlton's for the rabble they have become . It's hilarous that some of those involved in crippling the Blues are now trying to get back on the board or at least get their mates on.

Rice came from St Kilda btw.

What is hilarous is how much interest Carlton creates amongst Richmond fans, anyone would think there's bit of an inferiority complex!

 

[PLSC]

kernahan is the biggest slimeball of the lot

the blame elliot when he's been gone for ages and they are still bitch fighting

they still have guys like bannister and teague on the list wtf

gibbs and murphy will carry them for years to come, both will be guns

 

[froars]

In the time Carlton's been down, I haven't seen us win any premierships. Perhaps we need to continue to get our own club in order and doing what it takes to win one - legally - rather than care anything about what they're doing.

We can hardly talk about any club as a basketcase when we've been one for 26 years ourselves.

I prefer to bag them when we're on a level playing field, when we're both back in the finals, rather than putting them down during the bad times they're experiencing. We've been there before and we know too well what it's like.

Don't get me wrong, I hate them with as much passion as the rest of you, but do we really care what they're doing? I couldn't care less. The only good thing about them and the way they are now is it just shows no club is immune to this sort of thing. Who would have thought?

Stuff 'em

 

[itsintheblood]

Sound's like you guys have been nicely sucked-in by one of Caro's latest anti-Carlton Sunday fabrications. You are after all her target demographic. For the record, the Blues have made some sensational progress over the offseason, and now have the most talented young list in the comp by some margin, one or two light years better than what you guys have, hence the envy. But I guess that doesn't sell papers.

We all hope your club dies a slow painfull death.

 

[parrot]

In the time Carlton's been down, I haven't seen us win any premierships. Perhaps we need to continue to get our own club in order and doing what it takes to win one - legally - rather than care anything about what they're doing.

We can hardly talk about any club as a basketcase when we've been one for 26 years ourselves.

I prefer to bag them when we're on a level playing field, when we're both back in the finals, rather than putting them down during the bad times they're experiencing. We've been there before and we know too well what it's like.

Don't get me wrong, I hate them with as much passion as the rest of you, but do we really care what they're doing? I couldn't care less. The only good thing about them and the way they are now is it just shows no club is immune to this sort of thing. Who would have thought?

Stuff 'em

Fair call.

 

[peejay]

In the time Carlton's been down, I haven't seen us win any premierships. Perhaps we need to continue to get our own club in order and doing what it takes to win one - legally - rather than care anything about what they're doing.

We can hardly talk about any club as a basketcase when we've been one for 26 years ourselves.

I prefer to bag them when we're on a level playing field, when we're both back in the finals, rather than putting them down during the bad times they're experiencing. We've been there before and we know too well what it's like.

Don't get me wrong, I hate them with as much passion as the rest of you, but do we really care what they're doing? I couldn't care less. The only good thing about them and the way they are now is it just shows no club is immune to this sort of thing. Who would have thought?

Stuff 'em

Well you must care, why else would you post on this thread.

 

[froars]

Well you must care, why else would you post on this thread.

Care about what, dear?