Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Shooter#17]

You mean you can't explain it because you just made it up, pal.

Oh wow you got me you're so clever.

There is gag/ supression orders in place everywhere only an imbecile would choose to live in denial of this.

 

[james Dean]

Pretty impressive effort by Jones to go from a joke, to a respected player, back to a joke.

A true 360

 

[CFC_#17]

My business works directly with medical specialists, there are loads whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Deni Varnhagen has flat out refused it and she's am ICU nurse, if the virus was as severe as reported and the vax as effective then ICU nurses would be the last you need to convince.
It's not hard to look through the smokescreen.

How’s COVID going in Adelaide?
There has been 982 cases in south Australia. So a S.A nurse might not be the best judge of how severe COVID can be.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Pretty impressive effort by Jones to go from a joke, to a respected player, back to a joke.

A true 360

Shame if that’s how his AFL Career ends but it’s his choice at the end of the day

 

[Lockyer24]

There was always gunna be at least one freak with their head up their ass

 

[Shooter#17]

How’s COVID going in Adelaide?
There has been 982 cases in south Australia. So a S.A nurse might not be the best judge of how severe COVID can be.

She'd be aware of a lot more than you and I.

 

[CFC_#17]

She'd be aware of a lot more than you and I.

I know a lot of doctors and I would trust them over an unemployed nurse.

 

[slashin_velvet]

How’s COVID going in Adelaide?
There has been 982 cases in south Australia. So a S.A nurse might not be the best judge of how severe COVID can be.

How many doctors/nurses across the country have refused vaccination? I'm assuming it's an astoundingly low number.

 

[Shooter#17]

I know a lot of doctors and I would trust them over an unemployed nurse.

Well she wasn't unemployed when she made the decision. I know a lot of doctors too buddy, it's nothing to big note yourself over.

 

[The 747]

Oh wow you got me you're so clever.

There is gag/ supression orders in place everywhere only an imbecile would choose to live in denial of this.

I see, so the entire world media is under a gag or suppression order? And nobody anywhere is breaking that order despite all the fame, clicks and money it would bring. There must be a world government we don't know about - could they be......lizard people?

 

[Stax on the mill]

Oh wow you got me you're so clever.

There is gag/ supression orders in place everywhere only an imbecile would choose to live in denial of this.

And only an imbecile would claim there are wide ranging gags/suppression orders in place preventing alternate views being put.

 

[Toump Ass]

My business works directly with medical specialists, there are loads whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.

TBH your single anecdote isn't really that convincing, sorry.

Deni Varnhagen has flat out refused it and she's am ICU nurse, if the virus was as severe as reported and the vax as effective then ICU nurses would be the last you need to convince.

Well she's not an ICU nurse anymore, as it turns out.

In any case bit of a stretch to call her a "medical specialist" isn't it? I have the deepest respect for nurses but as I said before, they're not rocket surgeons.

It's not hard to look through the smokescreen.

That's what my mate who believes in Lizard People says. Reckons he saw them too.
Do you believe in Lizard People?

 

[bing181]

She'd be aware of a lot more than you and I.

So this is how confirmation bias works. One case of a nurse refusing a vaccine is evidence of ... well what exactly: something something vax/adverse reactions. But the hundreds of thousands of nurses who have been or are being vaccinated isn't evidence of anything.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

My business works directly with medical specialists, there are loads whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Deni Varnhagen has flat out refused it and she's am ICU nurse, if the virus was as severe as reported and the vax as effective then ICU nurses would be the last you need to convince.
It's not hard to look through the smokescreen.

I'll go with the other 99.99 percent of the nursing profession on this one, not a jobless outlier.

 

[sosos]

Wouldn't have thought so - bloke got shafted from the Doggies when they were about to win a flag.
Has been languishing at the blues ever since who have supposedly been a finals threat.

Spot the guy who doesn't watch football much.

 

[hoianbulldog]

My business works directly with medical specialists, there are loads whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.

What is "loads" in percentages?

 

[carlton_99]

According to the therapeutic goods association (govt website) from roughly 35million jabs there have been 72.5k adverse events and 622 deaths in amongst those reports. So far govt is saying 9 deaths so maybe the reports need to be investigated.

Source

Safety information & education

This section includes links to articles about the general safety of medicines and medical devices, including how the safety of products i

apps.tga.gov.au

Some of the personal attacks going both ways are pretty nasty.

TGA is confirming 9 deaths from the vaccine. 642 is how many have been reported to them and 9 is how many after investigations were linked to the vaccine.
From https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-04-11-2021

 

[Shooter#17]

TBH your single anecdote isn't really that convincing, sorry.

Well she's not an ICU nurse anymore, as it turns out.

In any case bit of a stretch to call her a "medical specialist" isn't it? I have the deepest respect for nurses but as I said before, they're not rocket surgeons.

That's what my mate who believes in Lizard People says. Reckons he saw them too.
Do you believe in Lizard People?

Im referring to my client base not Deni as a medical specialist however she works in the medical profession and would know a lot of specialists.
We run an accounting firm specialising in medicos so yeah I speak to a lot of them also and most are against mandating the vaccination through coercion.

So your mate has a patent on the term smokescreen, good to know.
No mate I I don't believe in lizard people, I also don't think the earth is flat and have my vaccinations upto date bar the COVID scam.
I however don't trust governments, anyone that does does so at their own peril.

 

[Shooter#17]

What is "loads" in percentages?

Are you referring to who I know personally,? There would be 60-70 %

 

[faible]

Deni Varnhagen has flat out refused it and she's am ICU nurse

*unemployed ICU nurse.

Also likely a bit of an idiot.

 

[hoianbulldog]

Im referring to my client base not Deni as a medical specialist however she works in the medical profession and would know a lot of specialists.
We run an accounting firm specialising in medicos so yeah I speak to a lot of them also and most are against mandating the vaccination through coercion.

Are your medico mates againts the vaccine or against a mandate? One is a medical opinion, tthe other political.

 

[pc79]

Oh FFS. We do, because adverse reactions only ever occur within a few days or weeks of vaccination. For all vaccines and since we've had vaccines.

If you're going to put up this kind of conspiracy theory BS, at least learn how vaccines work first.

Formaldehyde?

 

[theyellowsash]

Lol that it was so easy to predict it was Jones. You can see an antivaxxer from a mile away.

 

[Ih8bombers]

Can I ask an actual serious question. You said the below:



But then when presented with the viral load component of what the studies were really showing, you commented that

"I won’t question your understanding of this, particularly your point on how long one is contagious for, mainly because I just don’t know whether this is accurate or not."

My question is, why would you talk about what a study actually is saying without understanding it properly? Or did you feel you understood it and realised you might've got it wrong. I'm not being a jerk when I ask this, I just see people frequently talk about studies and research who haven't read it, or just don't understand it and twist it to suit a point which is how mis-information spreads. Just wanted to understand your reasoning.

Sure, fair question. I didn’t want to clog up the site with a debate on my understanding of the study versus the other posters. That wasn’t the gist of my post.

Read further down as to why I don’t think mandating vaccination is required when about 95% are already fully vaccinated. For what it’s worth I would encourage people to get vaccinated. I just don’t regard the small percentage of unvaccinated as much as a threat to our health as some others might. My view would be different if that percentage was significantly lower. You may disagree with this and that’s fine, I’ll always respect your right to your opinion.

 

[Forward Press]

Would the mods be able to change the title to Liam Jones

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refusing vaccination?