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Oh look. He's using a number that he even knows isn't confirmed deaths, and trying to slip in it there innocuously.
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Oh look. He's using a number that he even knows isn't confirmed deaths, and trying to slip in it there innocuously.
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I did realise that but it copies the article completely, so if you don't have a paywall go directly to Quadrant.
Did you read the articles? The last thing he is doing is claiming it's a conspiracy / cover-up, but a lack of scientific discussion becasue of suppression of debate and information is a factor!
He quotes a lot of research and it is his expert analysis and opinion about the vaccines, and safe and effective therapeutics.
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What is it, Day 3 now of BlueE quoting and pretending to understand things, then using words that clearly demonstrate he doesn't understand them.
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650 deaths? I’m sure you, being clearly well-read on this subject, would know that of those 665 cases that only nine are actually linked. Or is that scheme something different?I find your soapbox is a strange thing and am trying to get used to it.
I was aware of all the three categories and that they hadn't finalised any compensation over $20,000 as yet.
When I last looked they had only approved TTS and Myopericarditis as recognised side effects for any category and this still seems to be the same. Hopefully this will change for the 3000 serious adverse events and over 650 deaths that are listed on DAEN as they finalise the scheme, becasue it leaves difficult, expensive, protracted Court action for many.
Not only that, it completely underestimates the very poor myocarditis prognosis which wouldn't be known for up to 5 years, so accepting a deal where you receive $20,000 and not able to apply for any more is stupefying.
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im not sure its the scientific words BlueE doesnt understand. from the way they are quoting statements by scientists and organisations explicitly stating that the mrna vaccines are not gene therapy as evidence that they are, i think its the general english language they're not understanding.
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I bolded the inaccurate bits.
He provides his opinion about the vaccines. Of which he appears to have no research or actual expertise in, along with commentary regarding therapeutics that aren't demonstrated as effective at doses safe in humans.
My "soapbox", or whatever you like to call it, is that you, and others, have been posting things as fact when they are, in fact, speculation, opinion, or just outright incorrect.I find your soapbox is a strange thing and am trying to get used to it.
I was aware of all the three categories and that they hadn't finalised any compensation over $20,000 as yet.
When I last looked they had only approved TTS and Myopericarditis as recognised side effects for any category and this still seems to be the same. Hopefully this will change for the 3000 serious adverse events and over 650 deaths that are listed on DAEN as they finalise the scheme, becasue it leaves difficult, expensive, protracted Court action for many.
Not only that, it completely underestimates the very poor myocarditis prognosis which wouldn't be known for up to 5 years, so accepting a deal where you receive $20,000 and not able to apply for any more is stupefying.
You say that you are aware that they hadn't finalised any compensation over $20,000, and yet you posted that "Australia is still trying to develop a compensation scheme, which only included TTS and myopericarditis and only compensation up to $20,000". So your statement is either incorrect or very poorly worded given you start the sentence mentioning that it's still in development. If you said "and currently only includes compensation up to $20,000" then that would have been all good.
You say that they "ONLY" include TTS & myopericatditis, and yet the PI for Comirnaty includes other possible side effects. Someone could claim if they had an anaphylactic reaction for instance. So, once again, your statement is not correct.
You've previously stated as fact that the Indian Merck trial ceased for safety reasons, which we finally, after a ridiculously convoluted discussion, got to the point of you admitting it was speculation. The way you word things is VERY important in these sorts of discussions. If you'd said "In my opinion, the Indian trial was ceased for safety reasons" then that's all good.
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If you are going to directly quote users please at least tag them in the posts
Twice now you have directly used images of Roby & kingswood71 posts without tagging them or using the quote function on the posts
Twice now you have directly used images of Roby & kingswood71 posts without tagging them or using the quote function on the posts
The article literally quotes the guy as saying " This blatant attempt to further cover up vaccine failures is abhorrent"....so there's that.
You can claim literally anything you want if your explanation is a massive worldwide suppression/cover-up/bribing of people to silence....that's just not how credible scientists or researchers behave.
So no, these sorts of "I know the truth and everyone else is lying!" anecdotes are not proof or evidence of any kind.
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It’s a handy mechanism in trying to prove whatever you want if you can just dismiss any intelligent counter argument as a cover up
Ive noticed a few using this tactic lately in trying to defend their positions
The greater scientific community is wrong and part of the cover up and the singular source that backs up my stance is the only correct one
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Methinks its a deliberate attempt to misrepresent what they said while avoiding being responded to or called out on it
Took all of 10 seconds to find that the rate of fetal deaths in NZ has been well over 114 since 1996. Its never been "114" since then....I didn't think he's been eloquent but with his background in immunology and being a vaccine developer he's a vaccine supporter and more than qualified to critique the genetic vaccines and safe and effective therapeutics. He's not publishing research, but has specific expertise in mucosal immunology of airways, and development of optimal airways protection through activating the common mucosal system, which counters inflammatory cytokine response while reducing pathogenic microbiome.
No one has said he's been talking on behalf of any University and being retired means he can't lose his job and gives independence from Big Pharma and the huge amount of money they grant, so he's not afraid to point out it's influence over Australia's regulatory bodies.
COVID-19: Where Are We At and Where Are We Going? - Quadrant
In an article in Quadrant Online in January this year, twelve months into a pandemic with a level of devastation unknown to our generation, I described Australia as an island nation, isolated in an artificial and unstable bubble from a sea of COVID-19 causing 15,000 deaths across the world each...quadrant.org.au
We Can’t Vaccinate This Pandemic Away - Quadrant
Thirty frontline doctors in Australia recently treated over 600 patients with COVID-19. The treatment strategy was ivermectin (IVM) with doxycycline and zinc. Five of the patients required admission to hospital for progressive symptoms. There were no deaths. In a similar number of contemporary...
https://alethonews.com/2021/09/18/a-sad-and-shameful-day-for-australian-medicine/ (reprinted to avoid paywall)
Same is happening in NZ where a retired Doctor from Tauranga is speaking up about deaths of teenagers and still births shortly after taking the Pfizer jab, which is being suppressed from the public according to a letter sent she sent to the NZ Medical Council.
‘NZ Medical Council has blood on their hands’
Extract from a letter sent to the NZ Medical Council from a retired Doctor in Tauranga. “… the still birth rate has rocketed. Usually there are 114 still births per year for the entire …waikanaewatch.org
"... the still birth rate has rocketed. Usually there are 114 still births per year for the entire country but in just two weeks Hastings alone had 9 still births in vaccinated mothers who were following your advice to get the vaccine."
"We have 2 siblings dead after the vaxathon in Christchurch – a girl aged 15 and a boy aged 17. Plus a 17 year old boy in Northland and a 13 year old in the South Island – both dead the day after their vaccination -and a 14 year old boy in South Auckland who died 2 hours after his vaccination. Also the 17 year old girl whose death should have stopped the roll out but was instead blamed, prior to any autopsy report, on the pill – which she had been prescribed some time prior so therefore the GP would have checked for clotting risk factors at that point in time.
I know a lot more about this case then you do as I know close family friends. I am also aware that the government has asked families involved with severe adverse reactions and deaths to sign waivers that come with financial settlements. This blatant attempt to further cover up vaccine failures is abhorrent, as is the gagging of the media at the cost of millions of dollars of tax payer money."
"This equates to a fetal death rate of 6.4 per 1000 total births".
"Asked about a specific rumour being spread online that a teenager's recent death had been linked to the Pfizer vaccine, Ardern said she had been advised there was no such link. All I would say is, those who seek to make those links, I just can't imagine how distressing that would be for family members."
"She advised people to be wary of believing information that came from people who were trying to undermine vaccination efforts"
Thats good advice....
'Distressing for family': PM hits back at rumours claiming teen's death is linked to vaccine
Year 13 student's death was unrelated to Covid vaccine.
“In Nuremberg, the punishment for crimes against humanity involved the gallows,” she said to loud cheers.
“We no longer have capital punishment in this country, but I suggest a good punishment would be a ball and chain around your ankle digging hard rock for the rest of your life.”
Later, on her Facebook page, Ratna went a step further, writing that Ardern “is going to get her own lethal injection when the International Criminal Court sits for Nuremberg two”.
I’ve written about Ratna before. She circulated a rumour that the Japanese embassy had predicted the recent lockdown, which spread widely on Telegram despite being plainly false. (I did not name her in a report at the time, but now that she has publicly advertised her views, there is less reason to protect her identity.)"
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I dont know whats worse: Her, or you for posting it....
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Poor prognosis with vaccine related myocarditis?
For the vast majority, there is complete recovery.
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I enjoy how a particular group play up the effects and rarity of vaccine-related myocarditis while pushing the 'COVID is harmless, no need to vaccinate if you're fit' angle. The mental gymnastics would warrant a gold medal at the next Olympics.
I know BlueE wont like it, but a scheme related to adverse reactions has to have guidelines, otherwise everyone would be saying they had one and then claim
The guidelines say:
For claims between $5,000 and $20,000, claimants need to have been hospitalised for at least one night, will need to nominate they are seeking less than $20,000 and provide applicable evidence of:
- the nature of the injury and medical documentation of its likely relationship to a COVID-19 vaccination
- hospitalisation, due to a vaccine-related injury
- medical costs
- lost wages.
And forget that covid causes myocarditis at a higher rate....
"Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine"
Risk of Myocarditis from COVID-19 Infection in People Under Age 20: A Population-Based Analysis
Background There have been recent reports of myocarditis (including myocarditis, pericarditis or myopericarditis) as a side-effect of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines, particularly in young males. Less information is available regarding the risk of myocarditis from COVID-19 infection itself. Such...
Prevalence and clinical outcomes of myocarditis and pericarditis in 718,365 COVID‐19 patients
Background COVID-19 has a wide spectrum of cardiovascular sequelae including myocarditis and pericarditis; however, the prevalence and clinical impact are unclear. We investigated the prevalence of ...
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Bluey posting reams and reams of bullshit and getting absolutely destroyed, as usual. Nice.
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I cant see the BlueE post that referenced me. I can see he wrote "Take it up with them when they were incorrectly telling me that COVID-19 was not a cause of death in Australia but the "things" that caused COVID -19 like pneumonia, ARDS etc would be the cause of death"
This was discussed ad nauseam on another thread. I will repeat it again though: For med cert purposes, the COD WILL be ARDS, pneumonia etc. IF covid-19 is listed as an antecedent, (meaning nothing above it related to the death would have happened without the covid infection), it is coded as a covid death by the ABS. IF covid is not in the antecedents, it wont be coded as a covid death.
It is not difficult to actually understand this.
This was discussed ad nauseam on another thread. I will repeat it again though: For med cert purposes, the COD WILL be ARDS, pneumonia etc. IF covid-19 is listed as an antecedent, (meaning nothing above it related to the death would have happened without the covid infection), it is coded as a covid death by the ABS. IF covid is not in the antecedents, it wont be coded as a covid death.
It is not difficult to actually understand this.
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UK figures are chilling - and a sobering reminder of the importance not just of vaccination, but of other measures: masking for one. I've been over there a couple of times recently and it's pretty confronting, especially coming from France where everyone masks up in indoor/enclosed spaces. Terrible leadership from Boris and co.
And as per the ABS....
I seriously dont understand what the issue is!!
He cherry-picks what he wants to reference, and the "research" he quotes is either unvalidated or, in most cases, irrelevant. Obviously impresses the gullible though.
He's a charlatan, no different from ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield, he of "vaccines cause autism" fame. Wakefield also "quoted a lot of research".
See this is why I see you don't understand what you are reading.
-The mrna vaccine DOES NOT KEEP teling the body to produce s-spike proteins. Did you know which proteins and cells are targeted? Do you the mechamism of how it illicits the antigen reposnse?
-There IS AN OFF SWITCH because technically there is no replication unlike a live virus like Covid-19. It does ONE THING and that's it. It's coded to do ONE THING and then it's destroyed.
-Lipids are NEEDED in vacciness. Dear god! I've explained this already to you. Also they DO NOT HAVE POSSIBLE ALLERGENIC PROBLEMS they HAVE ALLERGENIC PROBLEMS! There is no conjecture about this. Some people have an allergic reaction to certain fat or glucose molecules that house the viral vector, protein or microgamism for transportation. A small number of people have allergies. Yes. It's unfortunate. We are constantly developing new delivery methods for vaccines that reduce the probabilty of allergic reactions: in effect at the very least if one vaccine causes an allergic reaction, another won't.
- Lastly allergic reactions are not long last lasting as in, the vaccine does not give you an allergic reaction 3 months from now.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest of you post, I don't have time sorry.