Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Ligma]

I had a uni class with Liam and he was always quiet and never gave me the vibes of being an anti vaxxer lmao

 

[Gruffles]

Interestly, they pre sold Molnupirvir for billions to many countries, then in a magnanimous gesture gave the formula for third world countries to produce cheaply for their use. However, India did it's own trials on the drug which they had to halt for safety reasons.

I'm not sure this is entirely true, but correct me if I'm wrong. Merck hasn't "given the formula to third world countries", but rather gone into licencing deals with companies to manufacture generic molnupiravir to be sold at lower prices to low/middle income countries. I have no problem at all with this as it is making an effort to supply medication to all rather than only a few.

I also can't find any information showing that an India trial had been halted for "safety reasons", but rather that two companies halted their trial on covid patients with moderate symptoms due to the drug not showing significant efficacy in these cases, but they would continue the trial on patients with mild symptoms as it was showing successful outcomes there. Again, if I've missed the information you've seen then please point me to it.

 

[kingswood71]

I realise that the TGA have only admitted 9 of the deaths are directly related to the vaccines. That is without evidence of autopsies for even a small number of cases to establish cause. When an expert was brought in to assess a death the TGA said was not related, they had to change their assessment on the experts advice. However they still ignore the other 87 cases and 3 deaths from the same condition, becasue they didn't get expert advice for those cases.

Almost impossible to deny TTS for 160 cases and 8 deaths, but they have for the similar 87 reports and 4 deaths of Immune thrombocytopenia, (except one death was assessed by an expert), Immune Thrombocytopenic pupura, Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia, Thrombocytopenia, or nearly 1500 reports and 26 deaths of thrombosis or deep vein thrombosis, and another 1162 reports and 36 deaths with increased D dimer levels.

TGA committed to watching safety signals and collect data from other countries becasue they started their roll outs well before Australia, but haven't acted to banning or age restricting AZ, Moderna or Pfizer based on data collected or their own strong safety warning signals.

They first ignored many countries banning AZ or age restricting it to over 60s so many would have died becasue the TGA didn't following that advice. For the current mRNA vaccines there are worse safety signals for heart inflammation for the exact AFL cohort of young men under 30, that is being found in many countries and Australia and they still don't act.

Most vaccinations had years of safety data and were not, never before approved for human genetic vaccines. My comparisons are the total of all 75 vaccines Australia has used over the last 50 years, with 7 months COVID vaccines in the same database of adverse event reports.

It's debatable that not being treated early with safe and effective therapeutics, or effectively later for the coagulation and inflammatory stages of COVID infection, would have saved many more lives.

Couple of questions:
How do you know that its "without evidence of autopsies for even a small number of cases"??.
Given the law states quite clearly that you cant write a death cert unless the cause is known and that unexpected or unexplained deaths have to be reported, If there is any doubt, it is referred to the coroner.
"However they still ignore the other 87 cases and 3 deaths from the same condition, becasue they didn't get expert advice for those cases". Literally ANY person presenting after an AZ dose with symptoms of TTS would get thoroughly investigated. You dont need to be an expert to do this. Its blood tests and CT/MRI. What "experts" are you saying should review the cases?? Any person who is admitted after AZ with TTS like symptoms would be reviewed by neuro and hematology.....
"1500 reports and 26 deaths of thrombosis or deep vein thrombosis, and another 1162 reports and 36 deaths with increased D dimer levels". What is the incidence of thromboembolism in Australia?

 

[MisterMarcus]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine: Options, safety, and how to get it

COVID-19 vaccines help prevent illness, particularly in vulnerable groups. Read about recommendations, how to get a vaccine, and vaccine safety.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Interesting read.

Interesting that the snapshot you posted literally contains the words "non peer-reviewed study" and "many concerns raised about the study"?

 

[The 747]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine: Options, safety, and how to get it

COVID-19 vaccines help prevent illness, particularly in vulnerable groups. Read about recommendations, how to get a vaccine, and vaccine safety.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Interesting read.

Yes, and since you must have read that article - could you tell us why it is interesting?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Interesting that the snapshot you posted literally contains the words "non peer-reviewed study" and "many concerns raised about the study"?

Should go for the quinella and get a Joe Rogden article lol

 

[HairyO]

Quick question - how many boosters and at what interval would it take for you to say enough is enough and not wish to have any more covid vaccines injected into you?

I get a flu shot each year because my doctor says I should.

If COVID is an annual booster than that 5 minutes out of my busy life will bejust bearable.

 

[Drought Break]

Interesting that the snapshot you posted literally contains the words "non peer-reviewed study" and "many concerns raised about the study"?

take from it want you want. Just concentrate on your "studies" released and published by the government and pharmaceutical companies.

 

[HairyO]

take from it want you want. Just concentrate on your "studies" released and published by the government and pharmaceutical companies.

What are your thoughts on University reviewed studies?

Also paid off by the enemy?

But youtube and facebook are trustworthy sources?

How much money do you think AstraZeneca have made from selling their Covid vaccine? Dont go looking, have a guess.

 

[Drought Break]

Should go for the quinella and get a Joe Rogden article lol

plenty of information with a simple search on phizzer heart inflammation concerns for younger people, rare but a concern. Anyway after scrolling through your continual dribble you will only read what agrees with your mindset.

 

[Drought Break]

What are your thoughts on University reviewed studies?

Also paid off by the enemy?

But youtube and facebook are trustworthy sources?

How much money do you think AstraZeneca have made from selling their Covid vaccine? Dont go looking, have a guess.

dunno, Phizzer making a motza but.

 

[Drought Break]

I get a flu shot each year because my doctor says I should.

If COVID is an annual booster than that 5 minutes out of my busy life will bejust bearable.

how have you gone with the flu shot over the years?. Did you get the flu?

 

[HairyO]

dunno, Phizzer making a motza but.

So what is in it for AstraZeneca? Why is their message the same as Pfizer ?

I assume if you had to choose you would go for Sinovax or Sputnik ?

Because big pharma cant be trusted ?

 

[HairyO]

how have you gone with the flu shot over the years?. Did you get the flu?

Not had it. But Im an asthmatic so it wouldnt be pretty.

My ex had a very nasty bout. 2 weeks in bed and I had to help get her to and from the bathroom. I didnt get it. I was vaccinated, she wasnt.

Anecdotal obviously, but I dare say more scientific than Joe Rogan.

 

[Drought Break]

So what is in it for AstraZeneca? Why is their message the same as Pfizer ?

I assume if you had to choose you would go for Sinovax or Sputnik ?

Because big pharma cant be trusted ?

who the hell are sinovax and sputnik?. sound more like satellites to me.

 

[MisterMarcus]

take from it want you want. Just concentrate on your "studies" released and published by the government and pharmaceutical companies.

I take from it that it's pretty dumb to post 'studies' that actually hurt your own argument.

 

[Turnover]

who the hell are sinovax and sputnik?. sound more like satellites to me.

Research them

 

[MisterMarcus]

plenty of information with a simple search on phizzer heart inflammation concerns for younger people, rare but a concern. Anyway after scrolling through your continual dribble you will only read what agrees with your mindset.

If there's "plenty of information" out there, why do anti-vaxxers keep posting the same 'studies' that are non peer-reviewed, withdrawn, retracted, plagiarised, have ethical concerns, or simply don't say what antivaxxers claim them to say?

 

[Drought Break]

Not had it. But Im an asthmatic so it wouldnt be pretty.

My ex had a very nasty bout. 2 weeks in bed and I had to help get her to and from the bathroom. I didnt get it. I was vaccinated, she wasnt.

Anecdotal obviously, but I dare say more scientific than Joe Rogan.

I take from it that it's pretty dumb to post 'studies' that actually hurt your own argument.

what that young boys getting vaccinated have a greater risk of heart inflamation then actually getting covid?

If there's "plenty of information" out there, why do anti-vaxxers keep posting the same 'studies' that are non peer-reviewed, withdrawn, retracted, plagiarised, have ethical concerns, or simply don't say what antivaxxers claim them to say?

who said I'm an anti vaxxer or have you just made your own assumptions?. The article I put up was in reference to YOUNG boys and heart inflammation reports after being vaccinated and that the "rare" reports of this occurring outweigh the even more rarer reports of YOUNG boys having bad cases of covid. Even the QLD chief health officer publicly stated that she had concerns about young people getting vaccinated. Anyway you label me an anti vaxxer . I will label you a PRO Jabber who will be happy for anyone to get as many jabs as advised at any age.

 

[kingswood71]

what that young boys getting vaccinated have a greater risk of heart inflamation then actually getting covid?

who said I'm an anti vaxxer or have you just made your own assumptions?. The article I put up was in reference to YOUNG boys and heart inflammation reports after being vaccinated and that the "rare" reports of this occurring outweigh the even more rarer reports of YOUNG boys having bad cases of covid. Even the QLD chief health officer publicly stated that she had concerns about young people getting vaccinated. Anyway you label me an anti vaxxer . I will label you a PRO Jabber who will be happy for anyone to get as many jabs as advised at any age.

Whats the background incidence of myocarditis, especially in under 18 year old males?
Whats the incidence of myocarditis in covid infections?

 

[Gruffles]

Whats the background incidence of myocarditis, especially in under 18 year old males?
Whats the incidence of myocarditis in covid infections?

It's amazing how often you need to ask that question in these threads.

 

[MisterMarcus]

what that young boys getting vaccinated have a greater risk of heart inflamation then actually getting covid?

who said I'm an anti vaxxer or have you just made your own assumptions?. The article I put up was in reference to YOUNG boys and heart inflammation reports after being vaccinated and that the "rare" reports of this occurring outweigh the even more rarer reports of YOUNG boys having bad cases of covid. Even the QLD chief health officer publicly stated that she had concerns about young people getting vaccinated. Anyway you label me an anti vaxxer . I will label you a PRO Jabber who will be happy for anyone to get as many jabs as advised at any age.

From a non-peer-reviewed study that even your own screenshot says has serious disagreement, concerns and pushback against it.

The article you posted literally harms your own argument. I assume you're not so stupid to do this intentionally, so the only other option is you just copy/pasted something from an antivax site without even reading past the headline.

As is common antivax behaviour.

 

[kingswood71]

It's amazing how often you need to ask that question in these threads.

Many people dont understand epidemiology
On poster wrote about 162 deaths in 7 months due to "cardiac arrest" from the reporting data.....Given that aprox 20,000 to 30,000 Australians die of cardiac arrest each year and given the fact that 90% of Australians have had one or more vaccines, the fact that 162 of them had a covid vaccine comes as no great surprise.....
If 90% of a population all wear blue shirts and a percentage of them die, do blue shirts cause death??

 

[Drought Break]

From a non-peer-reviewed study that even your own screenshot says has serious disagreement, concerns and pushback against it.

The article you posted literally harms your own argument. I assume you're not so stupid to do this intentionally, so the only other option is you just copy/pasted something from an antivax site without even reading past the headline.

As is common antivax behaviour.

So who’s the pushback coming from? Anyone with a vested interest in getting anyone from any age vaccinated? Have you researched heart inflammation risks in young people? Not just the 1 article published?

what I’m debating is the “ benefits “ of getting young people vaccinated as opposed to the risk

common Pro jab behaviour is to argue against any report not suiting there own

so what’s your view on a suitable age to jab young people? 15,5,2, newborn?

 

[Forward Press]

It's amazing how often you need to ask that question in these threads.

It will never be answered because the answer is detrimental to antivaxxers.

who the hell are sinovax and sputnik?. sound more like satellites to me.

Government sponsored vaccines from China and Russia respectively. There are 'doubts' - to put it lightly - about their effectiveness, with little to no peer review or objective evaluation of any kind.