Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Gruffles]

Not all hero is wear capes?

or is wear capes some sort of noun now that’s not owned by all heroes?

You don't own a wear cape? Fashion rookie.

 

[Glenn_]

I don't think AFL players who are some of the most fit and healthy people in the world have much to worry about from Covid.

Just have a look at the professional athletes that have contracted covid , and you will see that is no guarantee of safety.
As a example; https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1101969/hwang-south-korea-football-covid-19

 

[deanc]

I dont think so, ive been around the state govt system for about 8 years now in varying capacities. Flu was always targeted (my departments only ever "strongly encouraged" but not mandated)

In the corporate world, in my experience, the Flu shot was always 'an option' you could choose with your annual medical. Most simply ticked the box and got it, I chose it one year and it made me crook as a dog, so never again...

 

[Dave]

I don't think AFL players who are some of the most fit and healthy people in the world have much to worry about from Covid.

One of our gold medal female olympian swimmers ended up in hospital after contracting it. Tipping she was pretty “fit and healthy”…..

 

[faible]

I don't think AFL players who are some of the most fit and healthy people in the world have much to worry about from Covid.

Luckily for them, they have even less to worry about from the vaccine.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

So we have players worried about the vaccine due to long term health risks yet they are quite happy to put themselves in dangerous situations on the footy field that could have long term health risks

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Also i have no idea if it was mandated for aged care previously. Health and Child 100% was.

Do you know if these people had flu vaccines in the past or not? Or just that they didn't think it was a mandate for them?

Certainly is in Queensland, staff, visitors and volunteers. Can’t speak for other states though. It definitely should be mandatory, flu kills old people just as Covid does.

 

[theyellowsash]

So we have players worried about the vaccine due to long term health risks yet they are quite happy to put themselves in dangerous situations on the footy field that could have long term health risks

And apparently arent concerned with the long term health effects of covid

 

[carnthedons]

So we have players worried about the vaccine due to long term health risks yet they are quite happy to put themselves in dangerous situations on the footy field that could have long term health risks

Stevie Baker’s CTE on show atm

 

[theyellowsash]

Just have a look at the professional athletes that have contracted covid , and you will see that is no guarantee of safety.
As a example; https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1101969/hwang-south-korea-football-covid-19

 

[theyellowsash]

So casboult is the one who wants to wait for an American made vaccine. Whats he got against the germans, brit and Swedish? Is he a trumpian idiot?

 

[Hawk Dork]

So casboult is the one who wants to wait for an American made vaccine. Whats he got against the germans, brit and Swedish? Is he a trumpian idiot?

Isnt Moderna American ?

 

[theyellowsash]

Isnt Moderna American ?

Indeed it is.

Looking it up, novavax is the one trump advocated. Looks like he is a trumpian idiot then.

 

[BigPond101]

It was an emotional dummy spit "retirement" and he will be back training next week and had his first shot, imo

 

[dmc333]

Indeed it is.

Looking it up, novavax is the one trump advocated. Looks like he is a trumpian idiot then.

Isn't it just more akin to a regular flu shot?

 

[theyellowsash]

Isn't it just more akin to a regular flu shot?

i dont think so. afaik traditional flu vaccines use dead or 'inactive' copies of the virus, which is what the chinese vaccines for covid do. novavax is still a vaccine which delivers the virus DNA information via some kind of carrier (like moderna and az), just in a different way.

heres a fairly easy to understand explanation

Vaccine platforms - The Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre (MVEC)

mvec.mcri.edu.au

either casboult has some legit medical reason (doubtful) why he can only have the novavax vaccine, he's bought into the bullshit about pfizer modifying your dna, or hes another 'trumps vaccine is best' lunatic.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

i dont think so. afaik traditional flu vaccines use dead or 'inactive' copies of the virus, which is what the chinese vaccines for covid do. novavax is still a vaccine which delivers the virus DNS information via some kind of carrier (like moderna and az), just in a different way.

heres a fairly easy to understand explanation

Vaccine platforms - The Melbourne Vaccine Education Centre (MVEC)

mvec.mcri.edu.au

either casboult has some legit medical reason (doubtful) why he can only have the novavax vaccine, he's bought into the bullshit about pfizer modifying your dna, or hes another 'trumps vaccine is best' lunatic.

Or he's just an anti-vaxxer that will find some reason not to get Novavax when it finally does arrive.

 

[theyellowsash]

Or he's just an anti-vaxxer that will find some reason not to get Novavax when it finally does arrive.

im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's just a trumpian lunatic/racist, but he will get the vaccine.

but if he does keep rejecting it even when available then yes, hes an antivax moron who deserves all the derision that will come with it.

 

[branedotorg]

Interesting that no matter what, you'll find the negative spin.

I have never said it's completely safe, BTW.

Funny thing about public health policy, it's a strategic layer effect to minimise community harm and maximise positive outcomes.

Means a lot of people not willing to make individual effort benefit from the framework, most of whom don't seem appreciate this 'forest' while they scream at the trees for being corrupt.

 

[SBYM]

Not all hero's wear capes...but this one does...

 

[BlueE]

Big problem in mandating a vaccine that doesn't stop infection or transmission of the virus and many fully vaccinated events or teams are all getting COIVD infection.

"Cal's football game against USC has been rescheduled after more than 40 players and staff tested positive for coronavirus. These seem to be breakthrough cases, since Cal says 99 percent of the team is fully vaccinated."

"While the game against USC has been rescheduled, there were questions about the team being able to play against Stanford on November 20 and against UCLA, the following week."

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[NYCFC]

Vaccines absolutely work to eradicate disease, provided a very high percentage (around 95% of the population - and that means children too) can be vaccinated.

Unfortunately we've had several problems with COVID-19. Vaccine hesitancy (the general rise of the anti-vax movement, right wing politicians in the US and elsewhere promoting vaccine skepticism), our inability to vaccinate children yet, and as a result the rise of variants.

So eradication probably isn't possible now, at least for the foreseeable future. But the more of us who are vaccinated, the easier it will be to live with this virus.

IMO, we all have/had a duty to society to get vaccinated. How much COVID-19 impacts our lives is purely determined on our collective response. This is truly a case where 'we're all in this together'. Like it or not. You want a relatively normal life for all of us? Get yourself vaccinated.

This is not as simple as 'I choose not to get vaccinated, so that's a personal choice that only affects me.' Unfortunately, it doesn't. It's not like choosing to not wear a bike helmet or a seat belt, or eat junk food, or go free climbing or BASE jumping.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is putting your thoughts and feelings ahead of your duty to everyone else in society. We get vaccinated, and wear masks, not really for ourselves, but for all of us. You getting vaccinated helps me. Me getting vaccinated helps you. Choosing not to is the very definition of selfishness.

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seems like a decent person, but there's a lot of decent people who buy into anti-vax nonsense. But I really don't understand the attitude of 'good on him for sticking to his guns/holding to his convictions/'. Do we really admire selfishness and toxic individualism as a character trait?

 

[bing181]

many fully vaccinated events or teams are all getting COIVD infection.

"Many" ???? Go on then, how many? Names and numbers. Out of all the teams and matches going on in the US across a range of sports, you've cited a single instance.

 

[DERIBERATE]

Or he's just an anti-vaxxer that will find some reason not to get Novavax when it finally does arrive.

Antivaxxers just adapting their methods. New one is "i'm not antivax, I'm just waiting"

 

[joop]

Vaccines absolutely work to eradicate disease, provided a very high percentage (around 95% of the population - and that means children too) can be vaccinated.

Unfortunately we've had several problems with COVID-19. Vaccine hesitancy (the general rise of the anti-vax movement, right wing politicians in the US and elsewhere promoting vaccine skepticism), our inability to vaccinate children yet, and as a result the rise of variants.

So eradication probably isn't possible now, at least for the foreseeable future. But the more of us who are vaccinated, the easier it will be to live with this virus.

IMO, we all have/had a duty to society to get vaccinated. How much COVID-19 impacts our lives is purely determined on our collective response. This is truly a case where 'we're all in this together'. Like it or not. You want a relatively normal life for all of us? Get yourself vaccinated.

This is not as simple as 'I choose not to get vaccinated, so that's a personal choice that only affects me.' Unfortunately, it doesn't. It's not like choosing to not wear a bike helmet or a seat belt, or eat junk food, or go free climbing or BASE jumping.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is putting your thoughts and feelings ahead of your duty to everyone else in society. We get vaccinated, and wear masks, not really for ourselves, but for all of us. You getting vaccinated helps me. Me getting vaccinated helps you. Choosing not to is the very definition of selfishness.

Liam Jones seems like a decent person, but there's a lot of decent people who buy into anti-vax nonsense. But I really don't understand the attitude of 'good on him for sticking to his guns/holding to his convictions/'. Do we really admire selfishness and toxic individualism as a character trait?

Unfortunately people do.