List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[ferrisb]

if everyone was victorian there'd be over 7 billion people living here and the trams would really struggle..........

And rule out any chance of spotting trade deals happening at Princes Park...

 

[Blue Runnings]

Great decision. Trust me the boy is a jet. Those that have doubts, won’t have doubts for long.

 

[GoBlues!]

I would be happy if we took Max King at no.1 just watching highlights between the top 8 players, Max by far is the most potent and exciting. 2 very tall fwds @ 200cm, 2 @ 195, 2 smalls. Be very hard to defend. Maybe SOS thinking outside the box?

One too many talls in the fwd line for mine, might struggle to keep the ball trapped there when the opposition transition out of defence.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

So you've seen the light then?
It was there all the time.

Really not sure how anyone could have read all these bad things into his game, unless they just wanted to be 'controversial'

Reckon Walsh is the most vanilla Pick 1 in recent memory.

You don't get the best player in the national titles for nothing,

I don't reckon Walsh was. When push comes to shove Valente was......and by some considerable margin IMO.

I'm a little the same. I don't really have any worries about Walsh but I just don't see the super star potential that justifies the price we have put on the number 1 pick

Exactly, which is why it should be traded.

Yep. Geelong were desperate to get him according to one of our ITK posters after he trained with them.

If your coach was Chris Scott then you'd have every reason to feel desperate.

Guess I just see things differently.
Not trying to pot the kid, just don't see it like the others.
What I can see is that his opponents can't shut him down. But I don't see him actually do much. Dunno.
Good luck to him, hope he has a long career wherever he plays and is happy with his time in AFL

Stick to ya guns son.......you'll get no love around these parts for going all flaccid.

I’m also not all in on Walsh, he’s game is built around hard running and being extremely prolific, but I’m not sure we should be using pick one on a player that gets the footy 30-35 times a game, but isn’t particularly creative or damaging with ball in hand

Unfortunately people tend to lost in stats and fall into the trap of thinking that's where the game is being played.......on the stats sheet.

I don't know ... I think we could probably do with a gut running ball magnet. Not saying he'll be the best player. He lacks the 'wow' of some of them. But interestingly he keeps consistently outperforming his peers. That's got to count for something.

Well how about we spend Pick 1 on the kid who is. Be a good idea I would've thought.

 

[HARKER]

Reckon Walsh is the most vanilla Pick 1 in recent memory.
Stick to ya guns son.......you'll get no love around these parts for going all flaccid.
Well how about we spend Pick 1 on the kid who is. Be a good idea I would've thought.

Seems the CFC have got themselves the wrong Recruiters & List Managers, then.

Flaccid you say? There was a lot to like about Walsh last year and nothing to change the fact he's widely viewed as the best player of this draft.
I guess we'll have the early-birds cry foul when Rankine and a couple of the bigger bodied mids come charging out of the gate next year, but that's going to happen, isn't it? We had some bemoan us not taking LDU last year, also.

I t would be terrific to have the best player in the draft, but just as good to have the right player for us.....Reckon we'll get that.

 

[Blubagger71]

Expecting the same, it would just be fantastic if all the older mids were fit and firing and made that selection difficult.

Plowman, Jones, Simpson
Docherty, Weitering, Marchbank
Murphy, Kennedy, O'Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Dow
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
Fasolo, McKay, McGovern
I/C: Curnow, Williamson, Setterfield, Pickett
EMG: Cuningham, Thomas, Newman, Walsh

Is it that much to ask that the names in bold are able to perform well enough to keep a skinny 18yo out of the side for the best part of the season? And that the three names ahead of him in that emergency group can stay ahead of him as injury/form cover?

No, not too much to expect.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Seems the CFC have got themselves the wrong Recruiters & List Managers, then.

Flaccid you say? There was a lot to like about Walsh last year and nothing to change the fact he's widely viewed as the best player of this draft.
I guess we'll have the early-birds cry foul when Rankine and a couple of the bigger bodied mids come charging out of the gate next year, but that's going to happen, isn't it? We had some bemoan us not taking LDU last year, also.

I t would be terrific to have the best player in the draft, but just as good to have the right player for us.....Reckon we'll get that.

None of that changes the fact that Walsh will be the most Vanilla Pick 1 in recent memory.

 

[HARKER]

None of that changes the fact that Walsh will be the most Vanilla Pick 1 in recent memory.

You have to love when opinion somehow becomes 'fact'

Your fact doesn't become everyones fact and it's clearly not a 'fact' for many that have watched games, conducted interviews and spent a lot of time around these young men.
Does your fact also have you with Smith as #1. I'm assuming this to be the case and if so, why is he better than King, Rankine, Lukosius and Rozee?

It seemed somewhat obvious to me that Walsh would be in the spotlight for us. Picked it a mile out, but still wouldn't mind trading that pick for two should the right situation present.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Vanilla my good friend, very, very vanilla.

Tell me all the stuff Walsh does that is not vanilla.

 

[Blue Runnings]

Vanilla my good friend, very, very vanilla.

Tell me all the stuff Walsh does that is not vanilla.

What is that based off? How many of his games have you actually seen him play?

 

[Sheephead]

If everyone was Victorian I'd take Rozee, Walsh and Rankine in that order.

So what. Apparently it don’t matter what we think, we’re getting Walsh.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

What is that based off? How many of his games have you actually seen him play?

I watched Walsh live for entire games around 8 times. Very vanilla.

 

[HARKER]

Vanilla my good friend, very, very vanilla.
Tell me all the stuff Walsh does that is not vanilla.

That's really sour and somewhat unwarranted.
Here's the player that qualified observers have at least in the top three of this draft, yet you're making him out as a possible rookie selection, at best.

Where is Walsh on your Power Ranking and we can revisit your insight at a later date.
Surely such vanilla can't be in your top ten or even twenty. Is this right?


EDIT: I've watched Walsh live also and he hasn't the twists and turns, nor the high leap, but has a very high Football IQ. That's not vanilla.

 

[Blue Runnings]

I watched Walsh live for entire games around 8 times. Very vanilla.

So you are saying that just about every recruiter in the land is wrong. Definitely not vanilla. He is a natural footballer if that’s what you mean? Out of interest, who would you take ahead of him and why?

 

[Sheephead]

Vanilla my good friend, very, very vanilla.

Tell me all the stuff Walsh does that is not vanilla.

His left side is worse than vanilla.

I’ll support him if we get him, but I’d personally be looking elsewhere, in particular trading down. Think we’d be better with more depth from a Top 20 heavy draft than a kid with all the leadership qualities but lacking the meat a potato football qualities. Just my opinion, no facts attached.

 

[Blubagger71]

I don't get it.
I don't know why this kid is number 1.
Clearly he's got something in how many possessions he gets, but when he gets it he just does absolutely nothing with it.
I see a lot of running and effort but no class or even good skills. He just gets the ball moving and that's it.
So why is he the mooted number 1?
What am I missing?

Might have a bit to do with the targets too. Highlight clips are hard to judge those sort of things. I see a bloke who is consistently first to the footy, has great second and third efforts and can find the goals. Seemed to struggle on his left and lacked a bit of penetration but that could be the context and receivers too.
Agreed he seems to lack that X factor however, at this stage we are looking for soldiers in the midfield with some run. Icing can come later or develop in Charlie, SPS and their kin.

 

[HARKER]

His left side is worse than vanilla.

I’ll support him if we get him, but I’d personally be looking elsewhere, in particular trading down. Think we’d be better with more depth from a Top 20 heavy draft than a kid with all the leadership qualities but lacking the meat a potato football qualities. Just my opinion, no facts attached.

Just for the fun of it; Tell me what Smiths left is like?

 

[Blue Runnings]

His left side is worse than vanilla.

I’ll support him if we get him, but I’d personally be looking elsewhere, in particular trading down. Think we’d be better with more depth from a Top 20 heavy draft than a kid with all the leadership qualities but lacking the meat a potato football qualities. Just my opinion, no facts attached.

Shanked one in the you tube clip did he? His left side is no issue, better than most. By the way how was Judds and Murphy’s left side? They were / are horrible players.

 

[Blubagger71]

I watched Walsh live for entire games around 8 times. Very vanilla.

I love Vanilla ice cream. Especially when you get to add some topping, some nuts and put it alongside a flavoursome milkshake... Makes a great ice cream sandwich. Vanilla adds flavour in so many ways and is very versatile! I reckon we have all the support in place now to develop this "Bland" flavour nicely.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I agree Walsh is vanilla. But he's the Super premium $10 bucks for a small tub vanilla

The good news is vanilla matches well with all the other flavours

Edit: Blubagger71 sniped me by a couple seconds. Good minds think alike

 

[Blubagger71]

His left side is worse than vanilla.

I’ll support him if we get him, but I’d personally be looking elsewhere, in particular trading down. Think we’d be better with more depth from a Top 20 heavy draft than a kid with all the leadership qualities but lacking the meat a potato football qualities. Just my opinion, no facts attached.

Meat and potatoes seems to be exactly what he is and proudly so. Does alot of fundamental things really well. I reckon most teams could use that.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

That's really sour and somewhat unwarranted.
Here's the player that qualified observers have at least in the top three of this draft, yet you're making him out as a possible rookie selection, at best.

Where is Walsh on your Power Ranking and we can revisit your insight at a later date.
Surely such vanilla can't be in your top ten or even twenty. Is this right?


EDIT: I've watched Walsh live also and he hasn't the twists and turns, nor the high leap, but has a very high Football IQ. That's not vanilla.

So in other words you couldn't find anything he's done that's not vanilla???

 

[Blue Runnings]

So in other words you couldn't find anything he's done that's not vanilla???

Also in other words you couldn’t explain what makes him vanilla and who you would select instead and why?

 

[HARKER]

So in other words you couldn't find anything he's done that's not vanilla???

Doesn't have a bad game.
Very high football IQ.
Regularly has 30 possessions.
Intelligent individual
Team player and leader
Can kick, mark and handball also.

What I think we miss sometimes is what an individual can add to the whole.
We're looking for 'tricks' more so than team players and that can be a mistake.
At a distance, Walsh seems to be the type that won't stop until he gets the very best of himself.
I felt the same way about Cripps early on and as I did about Dow. Reckon Walsh is in this family.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

So you are saying that just about every recruiter in the land is wrong. Definitely not vanilla. He is a natural footballer if that’s what you mean?

I take it you've spoken to each and every recruiter in the country??? That still doesn't change the fact he's vanilla.


Photos by yours truly.

He even wears a vanilla jumper FFS. Could it get any more vanilla???