List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[Gingerbread man]

bingo...and thats why we should do it...if offered....unless walsh is the next judd,and that much better,than the rest,id do it in a heartbeat.

Kinda funny or is it just me, Judd was pick 3, we are talking about trading down to pick 3

 

[juddanaught09]

As others have said, a GC trade for Pick 1 would have to involve next years 1st.

I would take 2 & 3 for Pick 1 and next years 1st. Might even be able to pry out another second rounder from them.

Only problem is that it leaves us with zero currency next year.

 

[katmanblue]

Interesting, no Blakey

Could we bid on Blakey at 3 instead of Lukosious? (If the 3+6 for 1 trade happens of course)

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[TerryWallet]

Interesting, no Blakey

I think he was just talking about "live" picks. Don't think Blakey bid was relevant to the article. What happens with Blakey will be interesting in its own right but is largely a non issue because Swans will 100% match.

 

[JuddgementDay]

How lucky are the swans to get access to quality kids without bottoming out

 

[katmanblue]

I think he was just talking about "live" picks. Don't think Blakey bid was relevant to the article. What happens with Blakey will be interesting in its own right but is largely a non issue because Swans will 100% match.

Even at 3? Then why wouldn't we bid?

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[dlb99]

How lucky are the swans to get access to quality kids without bottoming out

Swans will remain in the 8 for years to come because of this academy rort (aka zone).
They will remain a formidable force.

 

[dlb99]

Then we have this:-



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-08/blues-passing-on-walsh-doesnt-make-any-sense

Mick Turner is a bigger Sam Walsh spruiker than me (and that is saying something).

Fact is, 2 in the top 6 is too good to refuse.

SOS and Agresta know that numbers trump messiahs. Each of Luko/Rozee or Rankine/Smith is better than Walsh by himself.

GC would be mad to do such a deal. But we take it if offered.

With all that, I still am on Team Walsh, reckon he will be a star and is the type of player we need. I'd be sad if we miss out on him. But I also trust SOS and Agresta, they are professionals with a proven track record; if they do a deal then we will be winners.

 

[Brutalitops]

Then we have this:-



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-08/blues-passing-on-walsh-doesnt-make-any-sense

I like that. For that story to come out in my mind Sammy has had a chat with Mick Turner asking him to indicate he's keen as to come to Carlton. Turner didnt need to come out and say that to try and convince a club to draft Sammy, he was always going to be drafted early. He wants Carlton though, not the Suns or the Saints.

Thats the commitment we didnt get from Shiel.

 

[Funk]

Mick Turner is a bigger Sam Walsh spruiker than me (and that is saying something).

Fact is, 2 in the top 6 is too good to refuse.

SOS and Agresta know that numbers trump messiahs. Each of Luko/Rozee or Rankine/Smith is better than Walsh by himself.

GC would be mad to do such a deal. But we take it if offered.

With all that, I still am on Team Walsh, reckon he will be a star and is the type of player we need. I'd be sad if we miss out on him. But I also trust SOS and Agresta, they are professionals with a proven track record; if they do a deal then we will be winners.

GC are desperate for a future Captain that will stick around and would be stupid not to pay a premium to get one.

If we can benefit from that?

Happy days!!!!!

 

[dlb99]

Again, Gold Coast would be bonkers to do anything other than stay put.

 

[JustaBattler]

So it is a win Vs a "win-win" type of situation then...

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure about Twomey anymore. Doesn’t seem to be as on it as he used to

I think he has always had very good mail, rather than being a talent identifier

Could we bid on Blakey at 3 instead of Lukosious? (If the 3+6 for 1 trade happens of course)

If Lukosius was still on the board, I would take him first, if not definitely a bid on Blakey, as I see him as a similar player to Roughead with more natural aggression

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I think he was just talking about "live" picks. Don't think Blakey bid was relevant to the article. What happens with Blakey will be interesting in its own right but is largely a non issue because Swans will 100% match.

I think the Saints should place a bid on him at a bare minimum

 

[Weiterbot23]

As others have said, a GC trade for Pick 1 would have to involve next years 1st.

I would take 2 & 3 for Pick 1 and next years 1st. Might even be able to pry out another second rounder from them.

Only problem is that it leaves us with zero currency next year.

Maybe we ask their future second

 

[GoBlues!]

SOS and Agresta know that numbers trump messiahs. Each of Luko/Rozee or Rankine/Smith is better than Walsh by himself.

GC would be mad to do such a deal. But we take it if offered.

Presumably GC would get Walsh and also our 2019 pick 1. Its still a 2 for 2 deal.

Depending on their timeframe, getting Walsh (and our 2019 #1) might be better foundation to start a rebuild.

 

[bmaurizio]

Presumably GC would get Walsh and also our 2019 pick 1. Its still a 2 for 2 deal.

Depending on their timeframe, getting Walsh (and our 2019 #1) might be better foundation to start a rebuild.

Agree it’s difficult, do we snare Sam Walsh only , take another gun midfielder next year ? or trade both our 1st rounders 2018/19 for, two selections top 5 in 2018.
Given quality of talent available this year pointy end it’s a no brainer, trade
now. I’d prefer 2 jets in the top 5 this year , insert and develop them asap , gain 1year.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

As others have said, a GC trade for Pick 1 would have to involve next years 1st.

I would take 2 & 3 for Pick 1 and next years 1st. Might even be able to pry out another second rounder from them.

Only problem is that it leaves us with zero currency next year.

I'd be trying 1 and future first for 3,6 and 24.
2 and 3 for me is much the same. If we get Rankine or Lukosius than we could easily end up with the best player in the draft and it makes the deal easier for GC to swallow.
6 is the hard one because if Smith and Rozee are gone than it's a lot less appealing for us and could see us somewhat reach for Caldwell.
Looking at all the phantom drafts it's pretty clear that there will be a player we love available at 24

 

[tarczonandjane]

Out of interest, have we ever selected the best player to come out of a single draft? I’m ruling out Judd (selected by West Coast), I am thrilled with Cripps, but the competition in his draft class is tough, and Charlie Curnow might end up the best in his year, but it’s a bit early to be definitive. Other than that, I can’t come up with many. Simmo runs close (ironic given the penalties). Maybe Camporeale?

 

[HARKER]

What do we think Bolton would want? Let's take SOS out of the discussion right now and focus on the coaches needs.
Does Bolton need more young men that require the extra attention, consideration and TLC. It's hard work and he's done it for the past three years.

Walsh is in the mould of Cripps from the point of view of being self-managed and would make for a wonderful complement straight into the senior squad.
Or, would Bolton be happy to take on two more juniors from which high expectations are a given, and for he and his crew to manage and develop, amongst what already is a very young squad?

I wouldn't blame him for wanting Walsh and it seems to me that when all the hype around other picks blows over, he'll be granted his wish. (opinion only. Not fact)

 

[Arr0w]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...f=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_sport_afl

Bailey Smith

 

[DIG]

I like that. For that story to come out in my mind Sammy has had a chat with Mick Turner asking him to indicate he's keen as to come to Carlton. Turner didnt need to come out and say that to try and convince a club to draft Sammy, he was always going to be drafted early. He wants Carlton though, not the Suns or the Saints.

Thats the commitment we didnt get from Shiel.

Great to hear. Although to be fair, even despite our recent past, all of Walsh, Lukosios and Rankine will be desperately hoping to come to us instead of bloody Gold Coast or St Kilda.

 

[DIG]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...f=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_sport_afl

Bailey Smith

I listened to him when he was on a road to the draft podcast this year, he’s so motivated. Quite a serious personality, like he’s old for his years.

You know you’d get a 110% out of him throughout his career.

 

[Arr0w]

What do we think Bolton would want? Let's take SOS out of the discussion right now and focus on the coaches needs.
Does Bolton need more young men that require the extra attention, consideration and TLC. It's hard work and he's done it for the past three years.

Walsh is in the mould of Cripps from the point of view of being self-managed and would make for a wonderful complement straight into the senior squad.
Or, would Bolton be happy to take on two more juniors from which high expectations are a given, and for he and his crew to manage and develop, amongst what already is a very young squad?

I wouldn't blame him for wanting Walsh and it seems to me that when all the hype around other picks blows over, he'll be granted his wish. (opinion only. Not fact)

Harker, they are all 17/18 year olds, of course, some more driven than others

 

[DIG]

Not sure about Twomey anymore. Doesn’t seem to be as on it as he used to

I reckon clubs are more tight-lipped this year given the live trading of picks.

 

[BlueView]

Out of interest, have we ever selected the best player to come out of a single draft? I’m ruling out Judd (selected by West Coast), I am thrilled with Cripps, but the competition in his draft class is tough, and Charlie Curnow might end up the best in his year, but it’s a bit early to be definitive. Other than that, I can’t come up with many. Simmo runs close (ironic given the penalties). Maybe Camporeale?

Our recruiting was horrific pre SOS

Trent Sporns
Shaun Hampsons
Like Livingston’s
Chris Yarrans
Troy Menzals
Josh Bootsmas
Mathew Watsons
Kane Lucas’s
Jordan Russell’s
*Kristian Jakschs

So many wasted first rounders over the last 20 years coupled with the sanctions placed on us by the AFL are why it’s taken so long