Carlton's Contested Footy

[I bleed Blue]

I really like the way we have been attacking the football this year. We seem to be attacking the ball and the contest a lot harder than previous years. We have been exposed in contested ball over the last few years but this year we seem to be slowly turning that around.

If this is one area that Mick is able to really address this year we will make alot of progress.

Here are our contested possesions stats for the last 7 rounds*-

Round 3 - Carlton 142 Geelong 139 +3
Round 4 - Carlton 162 Eagles 147 +15
Round 5 - Carlton 161 Adelaide 120 +41
Round 6 - Carlton 156 Melbourne 122 +34
Round 7 - Carlton 134 St Kilda 147 -13
Round 8 - Carlton 153 Port 124 +29
Round 9 - Carlton 153 Brisbane 113 +40

After 9 rounds we rank 2nd (ony behind Sydney) in average contested possesions with an average of 151.3, Sydney is ranked number 1 for contested possessions with an average of 155.2 per game.

I know we are only 9 games in but thithe signs are good early on. The real test will come against teams like Hawthorn who have bullied us in this aspect in the past.

Good work so far Carlton. Keep it up!

* Stats from the AFL website.

 

[toomuchsparetime]

Maybe we are better on the inside this year, but I'm not convinced we have found the right way to integrate this with our outside game so far this year.

 

[inyourcool]

That is surprising because it is not something that really jumps out at me watching the Blues this year

 

[Blue since 72]

Just be aware of what constitutes a contested possession.

Loose ball gets are also wrapped up in the contested possession. ie If a ball spills from a contest and is picked up by a player it counts as a contested possession for that player.

Another interesting titbit: Free kicks for are counted as a contested possession.

Basically it's assessed as 'winning the contest for the ball'.

The other thing you have to factor in is what's done with the ball after winning that contest. If we cough it up immediately it doesn't really have such a positive impact.

So while it's nice to see our count in positive territory it needs to be kept in perspective

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Some of those stats really highlight our poor forward 50 entries and structure, ball use and conversion.

To win an area like this so dominantly in some games and not convert it on the scoreboard is something we need to improve on quickly.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Just be aware of what constitutes a contested possession.

Loose ball gets are also wrapped up in the contested possession. ie If a ball spills from a contest and is picked up by a player it counts as a contested possession for that player.

Another interesting titbit: Free kicks for are counted as a contested possession.

Basically it's assessed as 'winning the contest for the ball'.

The other thing you have to factor in is what's done with the ball after winning that contest. If we cough it up immediately it doesn't really have such a positive impact.

So while it's nice to see our count in positive territory it needs to be kept in perspective

Makes us look even better in the contested ball....

 

[T2B_]

With the way Mick has been trying all our tough nut bigger mids in the centre, like Bell, Cachia, Curnow etc, makes me think he too has had a good look at Sydney. Well that and he's trying to get the young'ns to get more experience and lessen our reliance on the older crew. But it seems like good logic to me, I'm sick of our silky better ball users being mauled and taken out of the game.

 

[BM123]

I was actually thinking about posting a similar thread because I was wondering why we aren't beating teams by more when we are smashing them for contested possessions around the ground?

 

[Blue since 72]

Makes us look even better in the contested ball....

Eagles would be leading the league wouldn't they?

 

[BM123]

Just be aware of what constitutes a contested possession.

Loose ball gets are also wrapped up in the contested possession. ie If a ball spills from a contest and is picked up by a player it counts as a contested possession for that player.

Another interesting titbit: Free kicks for are counted as a contested possession.

Basically it's assessed as 'winning the contest for the ball'.

The other thing you have to factor in is what's done with the ball after winning that contest. If we cough it up immediately it doesn't really have such a positive impact.

So while it's nice to see our count in positive territory it needs to be kept in perspective

Our tendency to kick long in comparison to other teams would go a long way to pumping up the numbers too.

 

[Blue since 72]

I was actually thinking about posting a similar thread because I was wondering why we aren't beating teams by more when we are smashing them for contested possessions around the ground?

Turnovers after winning the ball. That plus our well publicised inaccuracy in front of goal.

 

[BM123]

We are 16th for total uncontested possessions

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Eagles would be leading the league wouldn't they?

Yep, by a mile.

 

[BM123]

Turnovers after winning the ball. That plus our well publicised inaccuracy in front of goal.

We are 16th for clangers though

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Turnovers after winning the ball. That plus our well publicised inaccuracy in front of goal.

Don't forget poor transition defense once these turn overs occur also, get scored on far too quickly and easily at times.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

We are 16th for clangers though

Long kicking teams generally are low on clangers, our problem is when we kick it long and mark it we generally miss shots at goal or have been outnumbered and too top heavy in most games that opposition teams run it out too easily.

Having Eddie and Yazz out doesn't help either to help with forward pressure.

 

[Blue since 72]

We are 16th for total uncontested possessions

So we're not setting the world on fire with possessions out in space.

I'm sure our fitness is fine and I hope our spread from the contest isn't the third worst in the league so that leaves me with the game plan. ie it's a contested style of footy that we're playing now, which does gel with going up the boundary line to contests plus kicking to a contest in the F50 rather than trying to spot up players on the lead.

Guys like Bell and Cachia should be loving Mick.

Curious, where does Geelong Hawthorn and Sydney sit for uncontested possessions?

 

[Blue since 72]

Don't forget poor transition defense once these turn overs occur also, get scored on far too quickly and easily at times.

Think with the speed of the game being what it is it's really hard to cover once you've turned it over in general play nowadays. Everyone pushing up the ground to bottle it up in your front half and then some nuffy coughs it up and everyone has to double back at top speed.

Sure is a quick way to run out of puff.

I'd say a lot of the reason for being scored on quickly in general play is due to the number of turnovers we have rather than our guys just not defending well enough.

 

[BM123]

So we're not setting the world on fire with possessions out in space.

I'm sure our fitness is fine and I hope our spread from the contest isn't the third worst in the league so that leaves me with the game plan. ie it's a contested style of footy that we're playing now, which does gel with going up the boundary line to contests plus kicking to a contest in the F50 rather than trying to spot up players on the lead.

Guys like Bell and Cachia should be loving Mick.

Curious, where does Geelong Hawthorn and Sydney sit for uncontested possessions?

Hawthorn are first for uncontested possessions and fourth for contested possessions. Sydney are 10 for uncontested possessions but I guess that reflects their slingshot style of football.

 

[Blue since 72]

Hawthorn are first for uncontested possessions and fourth for contested possessions. Sydney are 10 for uncontested possessions but I guess that reflects their slingshot style of football.

I thought the Hawks would be up there. They play that short kick possession footy because they have guys who can hit targets by foot.

Sydney are a contested style team so it's not surprising they're neither here nor there.

Where are the Cats? my prediction would be that they're closer to the top.

 

[BM123]

I thought the Hawks would be up there. They play that short kick possession footy because they have guys who can it targets by foot.

Sydney are a contested style team so it's not surprising they're neither here nor there.

Where are the Cats? my prediction would be that they're closer to the top.

Cats are tenth for CP and 2nd for uncontested possessions which is again reflective of their goals from rebounding from opposition clearances. The stats are all here if you want to have a look since it is very interesting to see these stats. http://www.afl.com.au/stats

 

[JustaBattler]

Turnovers - most important stat.

 

[Blue since 72]

We are 16th for clangers though

Sorry, missed this one. Noted JK's reply re long kicking and to add my agreement to his post in that the ball goes back the other way quickly and I reckon our clangers are hurting us on the score board more than others.

It certainly highlights the problems with taking stats in isolation.

Do you have access to a league stat 'scores against' resulting from turnovers?

 

[Blue since 72]

Cats are tenth for CP and 2nd for uncontested possessions which is again reflective of their goals from rebounding from opposition clearances. The stats are all here if you want to have a look since it is very interesting to see these stats. http://www.afl.com.au/stats

Thanks for that. Sorry I just asked you for another stat.

On the Cats thing, once again this is reflective of their game style. The last I looked they were number 1 in the comp for play on footy, hence being near the top of the uncontested stat table.

Have mentioned this before but they set up from defense with an extra man and run the ball out with extra numbers or as you say rebound by taking possession from the opposition clearance, once again by using that spare man.

I'd go man on man with the Geelong and don't allow them any extra numbers anywhere.

 

[BM123]

Sorry, missed this one. Noted JK's reply re long kicking and to add my agreement to his post in that the ball goes back the other way quickly and I reckon our clangers are hurting us on the score board more than others.

It certainly highlights the problems with taking stats in isolation.

Do you have access to a league stat 'scores against' resulting from turnovers?

I don't have that stat right but I presume our low ranking at 12th for disposal efficiency would be a indicator of our unreliable disposal.