Carlton's young guns

[westernnugget]

We don't hear much about the young players over east in perth. So I was wondering and am somewhat excited about seeing these young Carlton boys play this year. What role do you think the likes of Murphy, Kennedy, Blackwell, Setanta play this year? Will they get games? Who will make an impact?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Murphy will play almost every game this year if he remains uninjured and will earn himself a rising star nomination at some point. Knows where to go to get the ball and once he picks up the tempo, his disposal should improve rapidly.

Kennedy has started playing again with a half for the Bullants. Impressed onlookers by taking some grabs, showing his mobility and for sitting opponents on their arse. A better skilled Earl Spalding is the prognosis at this stage. Something we badly need.

Blackwell I haven't seen much of but those that get to the games have been impressed with his development and expect him to play a fair bit of seniors this year.

Setanta will play a bit of seniors depending on team balance issues, simply because he gives his all, is enthusiastic and aggressive. Will play forward pocket and pinch hit across half back when things are going bad.

Jordan Russell is another who will play a bit of seniors this year, is a tall midfielder learning his craft across half back. Has genuine speed and is starting to show something.

Adam Hartlett will get a couple of games too. Gutsy player not afraid to back himself, will be used in defence mostly, booming kick.

Jake Edwards and the rookies will wait until next year I think.

Should be new look Carlton side by the end of the year with Kennedy the one looking to provide something we don't have at the moment.

 

[audas]

Simpson. (not new this year, young and very exciting).

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Murphy will play almost every game this year if he remains uninjured and will earn himself a rising star nomination at some point. Knows where to go to get the ball and once he picks up the tempo, his disposal should improve rapidly.

Kennedy has started playing again with a half for the Bullants. Impressed onlookers by taking some grabs, showing his mobility and for sitting opponents on their arse. A better skilled Earl Spalding is the prognosis at this stage. Something we badly need.

Blackwell I haven't seen much of but those that get to the games have been impressed with his development and expect him to play a fair bit of seniors this year.

Setanta will play a bit of seniors depending on team balance issues, simply because he gives his all, is enthusiastic and aggressive. Will play forward pocket and pinch hit across half back when things are going bad.

Jordan Russell is another who will play a bit of seniors this year, is a tall midfielder learning his craft across half back. Has genuine speed and is starting to show something.

Adam Hartlett will get a couple of games too. Gutsy player not afraid to back himself, will be used in defence mostly, booming kick.

Jake Edwards and the rookies will wait until next year I think.

Should be new look Carlton side by the end of the year with Kennedy the one looking to provide something we don't have at the moment.

Paul Bower ?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Was thinking about Bower but it didn't make it on to the screen. I like the reports of him backing himself but seems like he has a few kinks to iron out of his game. More than likely will be behind Hartlett and Kennedy for key position spots and will be primed for 2007. My opinion only as I haven't seen him.

 

[HBF]

We don't hear much about the young players over east in perth. So I was wondering and am somewhat excited about seeing these young Carlton boys play this year. What role do you think the likes of Murphy, Kennedy, Blackwell, Setanta play this year? Will they get games? Who will make an impact?

I'm sure Mojo31 would have some thoughts as his analysis of the young players on our list is first rate.

 

[cfc05]

Not as new as these kids... but a future prospect hopefully.

Kade simpson, where do you guys/girls think he is at? Im realistically hoping for a solid yr!

 

[audas]

Not as new as these kids... but a future prospect hopefully.

Kade simpson, where do you guys/girls think he is at? Im realistically hoping for a solid yr!

Have already brought up Kade. (Sounds like the aliens from the simpsons, kade and konos).

He is really quick, (mojo31 is best to fill you in, there is a post on all of our players somewhere around here which should be stuck), a grass burner who backs himself, carries the ball and good delivery. I really rate him and think he going to be star. There is another quick one people are mentioning in Russell. Dont know much about him. But overall look for Murphy, walker, fisher, betts, Kennedy, hartlett..........etc,etc,etc

We are looking good people......

 

[HBF]

Not as new as these kids... but a future prospect hopefully.

Kade simpson, where do you guys/girls think he is at? Im realistically hoping for a solid yr!

Has had a very solid preseason. One of our best peformed over the 4 games. Like the rest of our kids, would just like to see him continue his development.

 

[mojo31]

Not as new as these kids... but a future prospect hopefully.

Kade simpson, where do you guys/girls think he is at? Im realistically hoping for a solid yr!

Kade Simpson

Midfielder

21 years old. 21 AFL games.
15 games in 2005.

Strengths : Has real pace and is prepared to use it. One of the few players on the list who is capable of taking players on with the ball in hand. Looks for every opportunity to run and take a bounce before kicking. Players like that are so valuable as they can break open the game and kick over an oppositions teams defensive wall. Very good kick off the ball and kicks it low and hard and gets plenty of distance. So the kick gets to the forward quickly and to there advantage.
Prepared to put his head over the ball despite his slight frame and the only thing holding him back is even more body size. Very good tackler for his size.
A naturally attacking player with skill, pace and flair.

Weaknesses: Slight frame and difficulty in packing on muscle. Not strong enough to play consistently as an onballer where heavy blocking and shepherding would wear him down to easily. So is limited to the wing where there is more space but we need a player like Kade around the ball to provide that class we lack enough of. Kicking for goal is really poor and seems to think to much about it and change his routine. This needs to be improved and for Simpson to become a goal kicking wingman.

Comment: A slow developer who has taken time to be physically ready. Slipped down in the 2002 draft after being projected as a likely first round pick at the time. Eventually went at 45 with the question mark on his very skinny frame. Then the inevitable lack of patience by supporters when players like Kade need 2 or 3 pre seasons before being ready. Showed his talent in the VFL when developing and always looked a class above (similar to Andrew Walker).
Lacked confidence that he belonged at AFL level with being dropped and having little or no impact in his early games. Denis is not a patient man when it comes to kids. They either have an impact or they are taken off. They need to earn there spot and sometimes can be very hard on young players.
As the season went on you could see his confidence rising and was not looking around or being so unsure of himself in the senior team. Just played his natural game and started to hunt the ball and take players on.
Should only improve from here and has had a good pre season and put on weight and increased his endurance.
Clubs wont allow him freedom to play his natural game as he is one of the few players at Carlton who is very damaging with his pace and skills. Will have to work even harder when he gets more physical attention and is worked over.


2006: 22 games on the wing at AFL level.
Future : More gym work and become a gun.

Update: A bit of an interrupted pre season. Is working his way into it now and approaching full fitness. One of the few good players against Port. Played well against WC also from all reports and looks like he will be an important player for us this year. Kade is the type of player we should be targeting in future drafts and especially the next one. A player with a very smooth kicking action and gets plenty of distance and is accurate. The ball travels quickly and to advantage. He is quick and agile and his first thought when he gets the ball is to run and take players on. Just a natural footballer who has taken time to be physically ready. We need more of these type of players. Maybe a bit more mature in there body but the players with speed, skill and flair. As he gets stronger he will be able to be used as an onballer and in the centre bounces. Might be a year or 2 off that at this stage. At the moment he is suited to the wing and the open spaces.
Very good against the Dogs. More as a midfielder and won a lot of the ball and was clean and classy. First instinct was to run and take players on. A natural attacking player who likes a bounce and a low flat hard kick to advantage. Gaining confidence now and is a class above all but Stevens on our list of runners now.

2002 draft: pick 45 Kade Simpson Eastern Ranges
2002 draft: pick 72 Bradley Fisher Eastern Ranges


Getting 2 steals in 1 year is impressive but when they are from the same TAC club thats even better.

 

[mojo31]

We don't hear much about the young players over east in perth. So I was wondering and am somewhat excited about seeing these young Carlton boys play this year. What role do you think the likes of Murphy, Kennedy, Blackwell, Setanta play this year? Will they get games? Who will make an impact?

Some reading for you.


Josh Kennedy

Centre Half Forward

18 years old.
Pick 4 in the 2005 draft.

Strengths: Genuine key position size. Tall and has a big build and especially in his legs. Naturally powerful player who will have no problem getting even bigger after a few pre seasons. Hard trainer and hard worker overall in games. Gives his best in games at all times and has brought that same attitude to training already by making every session count for him. Always flat out. Good endurance and a strong mark. Loves body contact and the physical side of the game. Not put off by close checking and thrives under pressure. Presents well and gives multiple leads and has very good second efforts. Good below his knees and is never out of the contest or beaten. Just keeps being involved and trying. No good or bad days for Josh just the same effort time after time despite the game situation or his own personal form.
Very good kick of the ball on either foot and technical it is sound and smooth.

Weaknesses: Pace over the first few meters is not so good. Might make it hard for him to play down back or at full forward. Basically any position where he will have to lead or match up on a leading player from standing start. Once he is in motion he is fine. The shoulder would be a concern for a marking player and will need to be monitored closely. Did not have a full re construction but ligaments were repaired.

Comment: In front of his recovery already. Looks a bit quicker than I thought and his fitness is good. Will be like a Bret Thornton in style with his endurance rather than Fevola who is quick but has no tank. Is suited to CHF and to providing a contest.
Pretty poor draft camp testing which showed he lacked some real athletic ability. However they are not a true indication as he was diagnosed with a shoulder problem on the first day of the camp with the medical tests. Was told then that he would be needing a shoulder reconstruction.
Consequently did not perform as well as he should have in the testing.
A physically and mentally tough player who has a sound game. No real weaknesses to be worked on. No growing to do. No kicking action to be worked on. Does not need to be taught the position. Does not need to be spoken to about training hard or being professional.
He already knows all of it and has the height and frame to be a bona fide key position forward. All he needs now is to recover fully from his shoulder and continue to build his fitness up and slowly add a few kgs to his upper body over the next few years. Gain experience and slowly improve on what he already has.
We picked an Earl Spalding type with pick 4 who is a better kick. Same work ethic and same effectiveness. Hard and physical who thrives on the contest.
No flamboyance from Josh, that will be left to other more erratic types.

2006: Play AFL later in the year when his shoulder is 100%.
Future : Roaming CHF for the next 10 years.


Update : Almost ready to go now and has healed faster than originally thought. I hope he is nursed along and is not played too soon. Too risky for mine with a shoulder injury. Like I have said his testing at draft camp was off due to him being diagnosed with the shoulder problem when he had his medical first up. He is not quick but has decent pace off the mark. What he can do is hold his speed for a long time and really tire players out who have to pick him up. Always leading and moves well. Just not so quick over a few meters and that would not suit him maybe down back or at full forward. Over 5 to 20 meters he is fine.
Will develop very good endurance and has improved his times significantly on a modified program already. A couple of years in the gym and filling out his big frame and he will be enormous. Good kick of the ball and no Fisher/Waite problems for him.
I like how he trains and how hard he tries. His efforts are first class. Reminds me of Andrew Walker with his desire to be all he can be. Quiet but tough and does not say a lot but gives you everything he has in every single thing he does.
Had his first hit out on the weekend. A bit rusty with a few kicks but basically played as you would expect. Quiet aggression is what I would say comes to mind. Just goes for the ball and seems to "accidently" run into players from the opposition. In the way that Earl Spalding used to. Physical, tough and a high workrate as I have been saying for a while now. Anyone who saw him on the weekend can see what he is about. We dont have a player like him on our list and thats whay we took him. A workhorse CHF who you build a team around.

Given the choice I would take him at 2 or 3 if I had the pick of everyone from the last draft now.



Setanta O’hAilpin

Key forward

22 years old. 1 AFL game.
1 game in 2005.

Strengths: Athletic ability is something Setanta has in abundance. Genuine size at 198cms and pushing 100kgs now. Has improved his basic skills a great deal in his 2 years at the club.
Superb trainer who gives his all in every session and wants to do anything extra the club will allow him. Versatile and quick and provides a genuine contest.
Presents well and is always in motion and gives numerous leads and never gives up trying. Versatile and not completely lost as a defender, on the wing or even doing a bit of ruckwork in the forward line.
Prepared to chase and harass opponents and once the ball hits the ground will give an effort and compete hard. His attitude to everything he does is second to none and the desire and ambition is evident. Sometimes this can go over the top but for the most part it is infectious and team lifting to have a player so desperate to make it.
His improvement in 2 years is remarkable. The skinny kid is now a pretty imposing man and he understands what he is doing on the field now.

Weaknesses: Tries too hard at times and loses his composure. Needs to remain patient and work his way into the game. Realise it’s more a team game rather than having everything going through him. That means not constantly leading and clogging up the space for another forward. Have to allow other forwards to get there 1 on 1 match ups.
His kicking technique is a bit awkward and he is not what you would call a smooth mover. Does not take the ball at the highest point when trying to mark and has a tendency to duck his head when trying to overhead mark. This means his opponent has a chance of spoiling him and he does not use his extra height to advantage and drops a few to many marks waiting for the contact instead of making the ball his priority and take what comes later. Tackling technique, how to bump and the ability to hurt players are more aspects of the physical side of the game that need to be improved.
Setanta is not soft but the physical side of his game coming from his background is the part he needs to really develop to make it in the AFL. To compete harder in the packs and provide bone crunching contests.

Comment: Elevated from the rookie list and rewarded with a 2 year deal. Was flying middle of the way through last season in the VFL but his form tapered off after that. Got a bit of a niggle and affected his movement and Digby Morrell was dropped to the reserves and became the go to forward. Something Setanta struggled with and a shift to the backline and wing also did not help him either. At least the club now knows his best position is as a forward and where he seems to be most comfortable. The problem is he sees the play upfield and wants to lead straight at the ball carrier. Regardless of what’s in front of him and how many other forwards are already there. Then becomes petulant when he is ignored and loses confidence. Does not stop him continuing to try but does seem to affect his decision making and ability to hold his marks when his confidence drops.
Worked on his running technique in the pre season (after a mild dose of OP) and looks smoother and less clumsy and disjointed. Same with his kicking and is developing more fluency in his action. He is a reliable kick now and is effective with it despite the different style he has.
Played very well in the game in Newcastle and seems to be benefiting from the specialist coaching of Terry Daniher. Needs that 1 on 1 coaching about timing his leads and where to lead to and how to use his body better. Thrives under a hard worker like Daniher who has presence and a rapport with the players and keeps it simple and enjoyable.

2006: 10 to 15 games in the AFL in the forward pocket.
Future: A key position up forward.


Update: Happy with most of what I wrote back then. An impressive showing against Geelong was very encouraging. His kicking for goal was poor but his movement and attack on the ball was first class. Since then he has not had a lot of opportunities. Had a couple of niggles and not really been at full fitness in the last month. I think he is likely to play a number of games this year as the 4th forward. I believe he is favoured over the alternative of Deluca. He wont play all games and will be dependent on the opposition and wont be on the ground always either. Sometimes 3 talls will be used and 3 smalls and other times 4 talls (with Setanta) and 2 smalls up forward. So I see the club using him when they can maneourve a good match up. Clubs with only 2 or 3 decent tall defenders can be exploited. Other clubs like Geelong who have Scarlett, Haley, Egan and Mooney and even Milburn if the want are not going to be exploited.
Again I have to repeat he needs to be easy on himself and understand his role. Sometimes it will happen for him and sometimes it will not and he needs to be patient. Playing as a decoy or making space for another player is just as good as winning the ball himself. No point in leading Scarlett/Michael to the ball and letting them spoil the pack.


Marc Murphy

Midfielder

18 years old.
Pick 1 in the 2005 draft.

Strengths : Has superb balance and agility. Takes small steps in the packs and this enables him to change direction quickly and easily and not get caught. Anticipates well all over the ground and especially under the feet of the rucks. Regularly beats a tag and has been a marked man for a long time and been used to physical pressure.
Big game player who has played his best football at the U18 Championships and always has seemed able to lift his game to the next level when he has to. Modest and well grounded person who has the attitude and dedication to make the best of his obvious talent.
Natural leader who is just as impressive off field as on it.
Good kick for goal and will be able to play in the forward pocket and crumb goals at AFL level.
Very good leap. Superb tackler for his small size and is very tough and durable.

Weaknesses : The obvious one is his lack of height. I don’t see it as a huge problem but it does mean it will need to be watched so a bad match up does not occur. Kicking will need to improve and is not up to the rest of his game at this stage. Not a big build and Carlton will have to watch the physical buffeting he will receive. Wiry strong rather than bulky at this stage. Some early knee tendonitis is a small concern and will have to be watched when considering the amount of training and how he adjusts in his first year.

Comment : A class above at training already. The balance and ability to hold his feet under pressure really do stand out. Takes players on and has confidence to do it and it is a natural instinct for him. Such a smooth mover it appears effortless. Will dominate in wetter conditions with his footwork and agility and ability to keep his feet. Telstra Dome with the shifting surface will also not be a problem for him. Thank god he never went to Brisbane as he was a clear number one based on 2 years form of TAC and U18 Championships games. Add to that his professionalism and attitude and he is a can’t miss selection. Will need a couple of pre seasons to pack on the muscle and become a small tank and then will dominate around the packs with his class.
Just a pure footballer with some athletic talent. Wont need to learn the game just to slowly develop. Has all the smarts and skills needed and now it is a case of improving slightly on those and developing physically.
Hopefully Carlton are very careful with his workload in his first year. Not overtraining him and playing him too long in games.
Have to strike the right balance between taking a long term view and also exposing him to senior football.
Should be ready by round 1 and play.

2006: Play round 1. Some forward pocket as well as midfield. 18 to 20 games.
Future : 200 games and leader at the club. Gun.

Update : I agree with most of what I wrote about Marc a few months ago. I might be repeating myself but my viewings of him since would be this.

Has improved his fitness after his first pre season. Had a minor query on it before being drafted but is in the top 25% at Carlton already in that regard. He has been playing cricket in the off season and has never actually done a pre season so he has really bulked up and dropped his running times after his first one. Put on 4 kgs and is pretty strong already. Goes in hard for the ball in all the pre season games and tackles well (ask Cameron Ling) and shows composure and class out on the field. Just like he did all year before being drafted.
Knows how to get the ball and moves to good positions and is especially good under the feet of the ruckman reading the tap. He will become a very good inside player and become a very powerful player for his size when he has finished developing.

Sometimes his kicks don’t always spin how they should but in general they hit the target. It was a small trait of his for the last 2 years where maybe 1 out of 10 of his kicks looks a little off. He is above average in that regard for his age and will continue to improve it.
What he does show already at the AFL level is that he hunts the ball and likes to run with it. He shows how agile he is and his ability to keep his feet moving and taking small steps to keep his balance and quickness to change direction in congestion.

Luke Blackwell

Midfielder

19 years old.
Father/son pick in the 2004 draft.

Strengths : Winning the ball in dispute with an uncanny knack of being able to read where the ball is going to go. Good disposal by hand and foot and is a very clean and composed player. A ball magnet before he was drafted and just keeps moving to the right positions. Shown the same thing in the VFL with his ball winning abilities.
Very clean hands in traffic and would be as good as anyone at the club in that regard. Has composure under pressure and his skills very importantly don’t seem to drop away under heavy scrutiny. Not the type of player who needs space to execute.

Weaknesses: Fairly short but could be taller than the 177cm he was drafted at. Put on some size but is still to light to play the inside game he will need to at AFL level. Kicking is improving but still prefers to handball to much and would like a bit more depth in his kicking. Lacks genuine pace for his size. Has improved that by quite a margin but would still be well below average for a player under 6 foot in the AFL. Not a huge running tank and again has improved his times in the pre season but is not in the top 10 at the club where he will need to be if he is to make it as an AFL midfielder. Lacks versatility and will be an inside midfielder or bust. Not a nippy forward pocket or a tagger or a small defender.

Comment: Haas made significant physical improvements since he first came to the club. Has put on 5 kgs and gained speed and endurance. Is still behind where he needs to be to become a midfielder at senior level but is about half way there by my estimation. Has skills that cannot be taught such as really clean hands that wont fumble and a very good football brain. Body positioning in a pack or anticipation in the centre square are some of the skills he has naturally. This means he gets a small start on most players by moving first and makes up for some of his lack of athletic abilities. Will be judged by how much physical improvement he can achieve over the next year. As that develops he can start to improve his game by running with the ball more and breaking a few tackles as well as continuing to feed the ball out by handball which he is forced to do now. The game is changing and we need players who can kick well and run the ball as well as win the contested ball. Luke will always be better at winning the hard ball but still needs to have the ability to carry the ball and kick to advantage and to have enough speed and endurance to not be exploited by opponents.

2006 : Break into the team later in the year after a good VFL season.
Future : Will need physical improvement to become an AFL midfielder.


Update: Happy with his showing in the pre season. When picked for the senior team and actually on the ground he does not look lost. Nothing particular standouts at AFL level about him. Good hands, decent kick, not really slow and hard at the ball. So to be honest for a kid his age that is all promising. We know he is not the greatest athlete or big or flashy so solid is what I am expecting of him. The speed of the game and if he gets caught and is he hurried are the things I am looking for when he plays seniors. Based on his time so far he is up to speed. His kicking still needs improvement to be AFL midfield standard and his body will have to get bigger and stronger. He has made improvements in all of those since coming to the club but still has a way to go to be ready for the seniors. Vision, awareness and smarts are at least average compared to other midfielders and so if he can get his kicking and bodysize better then he will have the tools to play midfield. Has to be careful he does not bulk up but keeps it as lean muscle mass as he needs to keep every single drop of agility and speed he has got to be effective. I would still think he can improve his speed some more. He is quicker than he was and dropping his skinfolds some more and fining right down and added 3 or 4 kgs of muscle mass all over should help him with that.
He can model himself on the player he is always matched up on at training and practice games in Adam Bentick.

 

[cfc05]

Thanx Mojo, exactly what i was thinking of Kade at this point in time. So good to see im not just been overly optimistic.

Agree will all after reading those and watching few pracky games.. except maybe blackwell. Unless we have a few injuries can't quiet see him cracking into the side this yr.

Anyway thanx again, great read.

 

[mojo31]

Thanx Mojo, exactly what i was thinking of Kade at this point in time. So good to see im not just been overly optimistic.

Agree will all after reading those and watching few pracky games.. except maybe blackwell. Unless we have a few injuries can't quiet see him cracking into the side this yr.

Anyway thanx again, great read.

No worries. I agree with you on Blackwell. I think he will struggle to get a game in the seniors until later on in the year if at all. Same for Jesse Smith to get elevated at the end of the year.

Kade is a class above those with his speed, agility and kicking accuracy and depth. So thats 1 player in his 4th year who took until his 3rd year to show something at AFL level.

Carlton supporters take note. 3rd year to get a decent output and likely to be 4th and 5th year to become a solid and above AFL player for Kade and any skinny kid drafted.

So thats means AW, JR and others should be considered in that context. Not always going to be the case but is much more realitic than Deledio, Judd examples of an instant gun.

 

[gandaal]

Love your work Mojo, love your work.

 

[westernnugget]

Future looks bright people, best of luck for this year, i just hope these boys don't fire against the eagles.

 

[audas]

Future looks bright people, best of luck for this year, i just hope these boys don't fire against the eagles.

ThanksMate.
Oh and mojo........................

2002 draft: pick 45 Kade Simpson Eastern Ranges
2002 draft: pick 72 Bradley Fisher Eastern Ranges


Getting 2 steals in 1 year is impressive but when they are from the same TAC club thats even better.

.......Keep it quiet

 

[kickgoals]

being a bit harsh on jesse d dont you think mojo. the kids been injured and every one writes him off.was flying pre xmas gets injured and bang, the kids no good. some of your comments are so of the mark. he finished top ten in the 3k time trial, is quicker than both blacky and bentick also stevo, yet in your eyes he is not fit or fast enough. no one mentions him in any polls you have, yet he was the only youngster to poll liston votes. a proven ball winner whom pagan is abig rap for. imho deserves a lot more credit than what most posts give him. will defienetly be first rookie promoted. you heard it here first, jackson and flint a long way off. you will see that pagan will use smith and bentick to form a tough in and under partnership.

 

[mojo31]

being a bit harsh on jesse d dont you think mojo. the kids been injured and every one writes him off.was flying pre xmas gets injured and bang, the kids no good. some of your comments are so of the mark. he finished top ten in the 3k time trial, is quicker than both blacky and bentick also stevo, yet in your eyes he is not fit or fast enough. no one mentions him in any polls you have, yet he was the only youngster to poll liston votes. a proven ball winner whom pagan is abig rap for. imho deserves a lot more credit than what most posts give him. will defienetly be first rookie promoted. you heard it here first, jackson and flint a long way off. you will see that pagan will use smith and bentick to form a tough in and under partnership.

Thanks for letting me know he has been injured. That would explain things a lot better. I really need to think more carefully before I post from now on. So thanks for the heads up.

How is the coaching going?

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i will go on record as saying i know a lot more about behind the scenes in the football world than you. having played and coached at a high level for over twenty five years.believe what you will was what i said. fact is sheehan says the football world does. in my opinion its a lot of crap, but that is the way it is. as i said believe as you will



How about Marc Murphy ?

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please give me a break, murphy will be a good player ,no doubt but talk of him being agun is so far off the mark. untried at senior level surely you guys on here are so infatuated you are blind about the facts. small light no endurance, oh sorry these things dont matter. get a grip if his dad wasnt john murphy. well you get my drift,no endurance no midfielder.plenty of other kids with better attributes but unfortunately not the parentage. just another kevin sheehan push up the day he gives up pushing for father son the day more kids will be given better recognition.comparing murphy to ball or cousins is a joke.they pushed up jesse w smith last year for no reason other than his parentage to the point where he won the larke medal after playing only two games in which he wasnt in the best three players for vic metro.murphy had his name on the trophy before the carnival make no mistake budding footballers corruption plays a big part in the big league.bull******** you say believe what you will but im sure pagan knows that pick one in the draft means alot more than having a father that was agood player.


And I see this is your first post since the draft when you disapperaed for a while. We apparently took Murphy but gave strong consideration to your point of view before doing it.

I was thinking about writing some profiles on all the Carlton players and maybe even something about the next draft. But I am not sure I could possible do it really. Would you be able to help me out with it?

Just let me know.

 

[kickgoals]

why so smart, just making a point about a player you dont seem to rate. you are only a media junkie without any solid facts of your own. someone who draws all his information from all the other so called experts. when pagan says aplayer is not up to it, then i will listen. your articles make good reading for the uneducated, but boy you must have a lot of spare time on your pathetic little hands. and yes i did coach as i am using my daughters tag. two flags by the way. can you do better.

 

[blues4flag]

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i will go on record as saying i know a lot more about behind the scenes in the football world than you. having played and coached at a high level for over twenty five years.believe what you will was what i said. fact is sheehan says the football world does. in my opinion its a lot of crap, but that is the way it is. as i said believe as you will


How about Marc Murphy ?

22nd November 2005, 17:59 #13
kickgoals
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Posts: 19 Re: Marc Murphy

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please give me a break, murphy will be a good player ,no doubt but talk of him being agun is so far off the mark. untried at senior level surely you guys on here are so infatuated you are blind about the facts. small light no endurance, oh sorry these things dont matter. get a grip if his dad wasnt john murphy. well you get my drift,no endurance no midfielder.plenty of other kids with better attributes but unfortunately not the parentage. just another kevin sheehan push up the day he gives up pushing for father son the day more kids will be given better recognition.comparing murphy to ball or cousins is a joke.they pushed up jesse w smith last year for no reason other than his parentage to the point where he won the larke medal after playing only two games in which he wasnt in the best three players for vic metro.murphy had his name on the trophy before the carnival make no mistake budding footballers corruption plays a big part in the big league.bull******** you say believe what you will but im sure pagan knows that pick one in the draft means alot more than having a father that was agood player.

I thought that was you replying to him, was confused there for a few seconds (suggest you improve your quoting layout). Anyway, I've always liked your opinion on our playing list, you obviously know what your on about given the detailed and in depth description you give on our players. Also, are you thinking of writing profiles on the Blues?

 

[mojo31]

I thought that was you replying to him, was confused there for a few seconds (suggest you improve your quoting layout). Anyway, I've always liked your opinion on our playing list, you obviously know what your on about given the detailed and in depth description you give on our players. Also, are you thinking of writing profiles on the Blues?

You could not spot the sarcasm there?

I doubt I have any idea what I am talking about. I get all my stuff from the media. Open the Herald Sun they have detailed lists on the players and the draft and all I do is copy that.

I thought I did write profiles on the Blues. All 43 players. Thats where the sarcasm comes in.

As for the quoting technique I thought its pretty clear. Click on the persons profole and read there 19 quality posts.
17 on Jesse Smith, 1 on his coaching exploits and 1 about Murphy not being a number 1 pick and Pagan wont pick him.

It would not surprise me if the person is actually Pivot. Same posting technique. Same attack on me. Same "Mojos stuff is all from the media" and I am a coach and player stuff that Pivot liked to mention when he had nothing else to say. Anybody who read my pms to me would see the similarities in posting style. I guess a new computer location and ip number means the same old stuff. I cant wait.

 

[mojo31]

why so smart, just making a point about a player you dont seem to rate. you are only a media junkie without any solid facts of your own. someone who draws all his information from all the other so called experts. when pagan says aplayer is not up to it, then i will listen. your articles make good reading for the uneducated, but boy you must have a lot of spare time on your pathetic little hands. and yes i did coach as i am using my daughters tag. two flags by the way. can you do better.

Those are your posts. In there entirety and if you do not like them then why write them in the first place. No solid facts of my own? Please tell me where I get my information from?
Denis had a choice to promote Jesse last year and even though we were smashed in the midfield last year Jesse was still not promoted. So yes he is under pressure to be promoted come seasons end.

Can I do better than you?

Here are 6 of the 20 pearls of wisdom from kickgoals and his posts on BigFooty.

- yeah, got me there forgot about the age thing. still stick by my opinions tho i am quite a bit older than what i put down. did play and coach for twenty plus years tho. sorry for that little white lie.

- i will go on record as saying i know a lot more about behind the scenes in the football world than you. having played and coached at a high level for over twenty five years.believe what you will was what i said. fact is sheehan says the football world does. in my opinion its a lot of crap, but that is the way it is. as i said believe as you will.

- please give me a break, murphy will be a good player ,no doubt but talk of him being agun is so far off the mark. untried at senior level surely you guys on here are so infatuated you are blind about the facts. small light no endurance, oh sorry these things dont matter. get a grip if his dad wasnt john murphy. well you get my drift,no endurance no midfielder.plenty of other kids with better attributes but unfortunately not the parentage. just another kevin sheehan push up the day he gives up pushing for father son the day more kids will be given better recognition.comparing murphy to ball or cousins is a joke.they pushed up jesse w smith last year for no reason other than his parentage to the point where he won the larke medal after playing only two games in which he wasnt in the best three players for vic metro.murphy had his name on the trophy before the carnival make no mistake budding footballers corruption plays a big part in the big league.bull******** you say believe what you will but im sure pagan knows that pick one in the draft means alot more than having a father that was agood player.

- wttf, lighten up, your obviously over twenty years of age. which would be a rareity on this board, let us uneducated, unemployed bums enjoy our little bit of fame without pathetic responses from smart arses like you.

- windows will be at carlton training during summer come and see me and we will get better aquainted dont talk ******** about players without facts put your hand up be a man or shut up your obviously a guy who went nowhere with footy and are dirty on bentick and smith maybe acalder cannons dud or should that be dad

- pathetic response windows overrated ? seen every bullants game and jesse d smith showed alot more than other drafted players consistently given good game time and specific jobs to do hard at it player with great skills and agreat motor sorry to spoil your party but jesse will play seniors next season as pagan is abig rap on this kid likens him to chad fletcher so im told would definetly be on senior list only for the above mentioned other clubs were told hands off carlton player i know this as afact

Now thats gold.

PS : Start a sentence with a capital letter.

 

[Silvagnis]

Is kickgoals missing the same return key as Parrot?

 

[audas]

Can I do better than you?

Here are 6 of the 20 pearls of wisdom from kickgoals and his posts on BigFooty.

Love your work Mojo, let me know if I can join in tearing strips of anyone...........