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[Herne Hill Hammer]

I agree with your 2nd point. I agree with the general tone of this but your 2nd point maybe explains the issue of the rest.

Its prudent in a high profile/technical field to track down the best in the land and offer them the money and help to move. It makes less sense to hire a Traffic Controller or forklift driver from Dapto to work in Adelaide for the same money he can earn in the Dapto area.

Another barrier is the employer often wont even look at Resumes from opposite ends of a city. I was told in an interview I was there because I lived close. '' Yeah we throw any resumes from north in the bin, we need people local and reliable''

Going on the Dapto example, as an employer , how long before the forkie called Dangerfield wants to go home?

I had to replace a staff member last year. HR whittled down a heap of applicants and sent me the resumes for about 30 to look over.

Around half of them sent through to me were people living in Kalgoorlie. The role was basically fifo, doing a 4-2 / 5-3 roster. One way from Kalgoorlie by car is 460km. HR obviously thought it would be no problem for someone to drive up Sunday afternoon, start work at 5am Monday morning, finish at 5pm on Friday afternoon, stay in camp for the night, drive 460km home Saturday morning then turn around Monday afternoon and do it all again. Fatigue management wouldn't have allowed them to leave early and drive up on the morning they were starting, nor would it have allowed them to leave camp to drive home immediately after finishing work.

They were the first resumes I binned.

A lot of the remaining ones seemed to be applicants from people who had been doing project management on some pretty big jobs through the mining construction boom. Looking at their resumes they had obviously been chasing the dollars for a number of years and now it had dried up. I rang HR and asked them how many of these management types they thought would be suitable for operating an open cab forklift in 45+ heat, in the dust and flies and all the other crap that went along with it and how long they would hang around once some project management work started popping up again?

They were the 2nd ones that I binned.

The rest were females with no relevant experience, nor the required and advertised for licences/tickets. I've got no problem training someone green, everyone needs a start somewhere but they didn't even have fork or truck licences for working in a warehouse.

In the end the position was canned so it didn't become an issue.

 

[JackOutback]

Donate 10 grand to the Liberal Party, and a few of your company shares to the local Liberal MP's wife, and you'll end up rolling in it.

Also, go back in time and be born to the right family.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So you'd rather see a person go bankrupt, turf the family on the streets and pay substantially more in social and welfare costs than pay a genuine job seeker a decent allowance? Counterintuitive doesn't even begin to describe this manner of thinking.

If your make life comfortable for someone on the dole than you will finds lots of people will suddenly lose their jobs and those on the dole will suddenly find it much harder to find a job .

Your approach provides people an incentive to be on the dole and will blow the budget big time .

 

[GreyCrow]

If your make life comfortable for someone on the dole than you will finds lots of people will suddenly lose their jobs and those on the dole will suddenly find it much harder to find a job .

Your approach provides people an incentive to be on the dole and will blow the budget big time .

And yet this isnt happening is it

 

[Number37]

If your make life comfortable for someone on the dole than you will finds lots of people will suddenly lose their jobs and those on the dole will suddenly find it much harder to find a job .

Your approach provides people an incentive to be on the dole and will blow the budget big time .

Do you have any idea how much the dole is?

Nobody is deliberately losing their job to get on the dole for a comfortable life.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Do you have any idea how much the dole is?

Nobody is deliberately losing their job to get on the dole for a comfortable life.

I do.

For a single adult, it is $96 per week below the amount required for a basic healthy living standard.

It is a national disgrace.

https://theconversation.com/new-bud...quate-the-newstart-allowance-has-become-82903

 

[MAGA]

I do.

For a single adult, it is $96 per week below the amount required for a basic healthy living standard.

It is a national disgrace.

https://theconversation.com/new-bud...quate-the-newstart-allowance-has-become-82903

Those stats are ridiculous, an unemployed person paying $44 a week for transport, laughable.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Those stats are ridiculous, an unemployed person paying $44 a week for transport, laughable.

It's compulsory to travel to interviews.
The actual average expenditure is almost certainly more than that.

 

[JackOutback]

If your make life comfortable for someone on the dole than you will finds lots of people will suddenly lose their jobs and those on the dole will suddenly find it much harder to find a job .

Your approach provides people an incentive to be on the dole and will blow the budget big time .

Yes, people are going to throw in a $50,000 a year job to live the high life on the dole

And when you say 'blow the budget', you mean the 7% of the overall welfare budget? Seriously, put the Murdoch tabloids down for a while. Rupert Murdoch has drained more from your wallet than any dole bludger ever.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Yes, people are going to throw in a $50,000 a year job to live the high life on the dole

And when you say 'blow the budget', you mean the 7% of the overall welfare budget? Seriously, put the Murdoch tabloids down for a while. Rupert Murdoch has drained more from your wallet than any dole bludger ever.

More than all dole bludgers ever.

 

[Gough]

I don't think kicking the unwaged is the vote winner it once was. Too many people know that they're a heartbeat away from the dole queue themselves.

 

[MAGA]

Some serious mds in here (Murdoch derangement syndrome)

Currently, $10.8B in spent on unemployed welfare

 

[GreyCrow]

Those stats are ridiculous, an unemployed person paying $44 a week for transport, laughable.

Agreed on the Transport. With the available concessions you could realistically say $22 a week. But the swings and roundabouts is that education costs would be higher. ie the Job Network will only subsidise payments that will guarantee a job and no other ie you cant ask them to pay to do a Forklift Licence if you dont have a letter from a prospective employer with a definite job. Tony Abbotts little prize that.

So for any Training or re-training for expired licences it all comes out of the U/Es pocket

 

[FredLeDeux]

I don't think kicking the unwaged is the vote winner it once was. Too many people know that they're a heartbeat away from the dole queue themselves.

It still resonates with their core constituency, however; it's an article of faith for the non-thinking.
Witness our very own thread troll.

 

[Number37]

I don't think kicking the unwaged is the vote winner it once was. Too many people know that they're a heartbeat away from the dole queue themselves.

No energy policy, no vote on SSM.

Brass bands and marching girls and balloons to announce people on the dole will be drug tested.

 

[Gough]

It still resonates with their core constituency, however; it's an article of faith for the non-thinking.
Witness our very own thread troll.

That core constituency is dying, and not being replaced at nearly the same rate though.

 

[Gough]

No energy policy, no vote on SSM.

Brass bands and marching girls and balloons to announce people on the dole will be drug tested.

I don't think they're reading the electorate, either that or they don't care in which case they deserve a beating at the next election.

 

[Number37]

I don't think they're reading the electorate, either that or they don't care in which case they deserve a beating at the next election.

They have always been shallow. Howard was the worst of them.
But he had 100's of billions from the mining boom to get voters to vote against their own interests.
Now that the money has dried up, they've got nothing.

 

[MAGA]

Lets bring the dole to the minimum wage

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Agreed on the Transport. With the available concessions you could realistically say $22 a week. But the swings and roundabouts is that education costs would be higher. ie the Job Network will only subsidise payments that will guarantee a job and no other ie you cant ask them to pay to do a Forklift Licence if you dont have a letter from a prospective employer with a definite job. Tony Abbotts little prize that.

So for any Training or re-training for expired licences it all comes out of the U/Es pocket

Would something like a HECS type thing be feasible for tickets and licences do you think? In the grand scheme of things, if it helps get someone into work rather than on newstart and actually paying tax, then surely it's a pittance long term. A few hundred for a fork ticket, a thousand for an HR licence. How much for certificates of some sort in child care, aged care etc etc?

Go for the low hanging fruit first, the recently out of work who are keen, then go to work on the long termers.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't think kicking the unwaged is the vote winner it once was. Too many people know that they're a heartbeat away from the dole queue themselves.

Being tough on the long term unemployed is a vote winner. The reality is a person under 50 without a disability should be able to find a job within 6 months. Today tonight and aca dont run stories every fortnight about people on the dole for no reason.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Being tough on the long term unemployed is a vote winner.

It's not a vote winner, it's a vote maintainer, it still plays well to the LNP's core moron constituency.

Today tonight and aca dont run stories every fortnight about people on the dole for no reason.

They do this in order to keep their core moron audience happy.

 

[JackOutback]

Being tough on the long term unemployed is a vote winner. The reality is a person under 50 without a disability should be able to find a job within 6 months. Today tonight and aca dont run stories every fortnight about people on the dole for no reason.

Another depressing insight into the sources for your world view.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Another depressing insight into the sources for your world view.

It's not a vote winner, it's a vote maintainer, it still plays well to the LNP's core moron constituency.



They do this in order to keep their core moron audience happy.

You think hard workers like paying taxes to provide an income for people who don't work especially when many of these people choose not to work .

Your average full time worker spensd more than 40 hours a week at work doing a job they hate , on top of this is time spent traveling and getting ready for work .So much of their life is dedicated to doing a job they do not enjoy and the government it taking money out of their pay cheque and giving some of it to people who do not work .

There are jobs out their , problem is we just have way too many job snobs .

 

[JackOutback]

You think hard workers like paying taxes to provide an income for people who don't work especially when many of these people choose not to work .

Your average full time worker spensd more than 40 hours a week at work doing a job they hate , on top of this is time spent traveling and getting ready for work .So much of their life is dedicated to doing a job they do not enjoy and the government it taking money out of their pay cheque and giving some of it to people who do not work .

There are jobs out their , problem is we just have way too many job snobs .

I'll say it again, more of your 'hard earned' has gone to Gina and Rupert than unemployed Kev down the road. If you want to direct your outrage, direct it accordingly.