Changes For Next Week. No changes.

[Horaceg]

True but if a player is playing with some sort of niggle then your just increasing the chance of it becoming more serious by playing him.
I agree we don't need to rest players just for the sake of it but those players. like treloar for example who are playing with minor injuries should just be rested. Why take the risk of further inflaming their injuries when there is nothing to be gained.
Also it gives some of the younger guys a chance to show what they can do at the top level

All true and would be nice for them to start pre-season without the niggles. We still need the established players playing alongside the newbs and IMHO we need to have a winning culture and you get that by winning.

 

[Finnishpie]

There is no need to rest anyone with 4 games left. They have 6 mo the of resting.

Less about resting and more about seeing what the development players can do:

Play Aish in the middle.
Sharenberg on wing.
Broomhead off half-back
Ramsay ... what to do with Ramsay? Hmmm. He'd be the one I'd look to trade.

I'd also try:

Jesse White/Mayne of half-back

 

[Horaceg]

Can we please get a game into ******* Kirby this week? It's ******* Norf Melbourne...

Out: Goldsack (retire), Blair (retire), Wells (rested), Treloar (rested)
In: Cox, Kirby, Keefe, Aish

Give the bolded the rest of the year to see where they're at, as I'd have them on the chopping block along with Ramsay, Broomhead and Josh Thomas at the end of the year.

Goldy is going well, agree on getting games into the four you have mentioned.

 

[ottoman]

All true and would be nice for them to start pre-season without the niggles. We still need the established players playing alongside the newbs and IMHO we need to have a winning culture and you get that by winning.

Absolutely
Don't misunderstand me, I am not a fan of tanking and I believe that you should be playing every game with winning as your ultimate goal.
But finals are out of the question, so it is a good chance to give guys with niggling injuries a chance to have a break and in doing so allowing an opportunity for some younger guys
In no way am I suggesting that fit players should be rested just for the sake of it. For example if Wells is fit he plays regardless of our finals chances, but if for example he has some soreness or tightness then don't risk it,

 

[Horaceg]

Absolutely
Don't misunderstand me, I am not a fan of tanking and I believe that you should be playing every game with winning as your ultimate goal.
But finals are out of the question, so it is a good chance to give guys with niggling injuries a chance to have a break and in doing so allowing an opportunity for some younger guys
In no way am I suggesting that fit players should be rested just for the sake of it. For example if Wells is fit he plays regardless of our finals chances, but if for example he has some soreness or tightness then don't risk it,

I think we are on the same page, Kirby for example kicked 3 had 6 tackles inside 50, he may not be ready for AFL but he is exactly what we lack, AFL exposure IMO could only benefit his development, under normal (finals) football he may not be in Buckley's plan but we should play him at least to get a read on how much he needs to improve. He will go past Blair very quickly so lets speed it up. Same with Daics.

 

[Gone Critical]

GC I normally admire your ability to assess things without bias but on this occasion no, just no.
12 possessions hardly qualifies as a good game.
He kicked one good goal but then did his usual "I don't know what my limitations are" act a few minutes later and coughed up a a stupid free kick.
It was not a good game. It was a sub standard bog ordinary game. He didn't do anything that half a dozen of our younger players wouldn't be able to produce. And at least with the younger guys we would be aiding their development.

Small defensive forward kicks 2 goals, has 3 clearances, 12 possessions , 11 contested. A lot of good pressure acts, those couple of Crows kicks he cut off in the 3rd Q as they came out of defence, which turned the ball back over to us in our forwardline. The fact we turned those balls back over immediately, one with a Sidey dinky pass and the other I can't remember doesn't mean their were a couple of real scoring opportunities created by him that went begging. The clearance he set up to Sidey in the 3rd which went to Wells for a goal. His goal in the 4th was good.

So for his role in the team he played a good game. He had that mistake at the death but there were a lot bigger mistakes by others on the day. I am not arguing for his long term retention and he was lucky to get a game yesterday but looking at yesterday alone he did a good job.

 

[Run n Spread]

Hard to know.

Do you debut the kids and give a bit of experience or let guys like Thomas continue to play for their career and build consistency. Alternatively you could manage guys like Wells, Reid, Fasolo, Elliot, Sidebottom etc but that can eat awaythe core of the momentum built up.

I'll say:

OUT: Blair (was actually OK not part of the next push thou), Crisp (Good role player could be a depth player so managed look at someone else), Reid/Goldsack (Manage 1. Looks sore. Swap on alternate weeks. Reid this week)

IN: Daicos (Has to play must have been emergency 8 times). Kirby, Aish/Broomhead (A bit like Bucks a decision is needed one way or another on Broomhead and if he is to go give the games to others).

Was tempted to leave Greenwood out as North have no one to tag but he did such a great job yesterday he deserves a spot and it would send a shocking message otherwise.

 

[unplugged]

As for "playing the kids," I wouldn't count on it. Bucks has said it just about every week this year, we must "maintain integrity in our selection" meaning that every game must be earned. It's a good way to go about it.

That said, he did say that we'd consider bringing a player in ahead of their time. But we've been yet to see this happen in the few weeks since he made this statement, so I'm not counting on it.

 

[ZEV]

So for his role in the team he played a good game. He had that mistake at the death but there were a lot bigger mistakes by others on the day.

With 1:53 left to go Blair went for a pack mark on his bloody knees. He got up and chased then fell over.

At the subsequent boundary throw in and then ball up, look at his goal side positioning. What was he thinking there?

At the boundary throw in with 1:00 left he trails his man to the ball giving him a free run to attack the contest.

At the ball up with 50 seconds to go Blair wins possession and looks initially to take on the tackler... Hypothetically if he did break four tackles and break free what was the next part of the plan? All our forwards were deep and there was no-one ahead of him?

Concedes the free kick and can't defend the mark properly letting Lynch kick on the 50 rather than from behind the mark.

When Langdon kicks long look where Blair has positioned himself. Fifth deep in the pack.

It's is literally like playing with 17 men on the field when Blair plays.

 

[swiftdog]

Can someone explain to me what the point is of pushing Treloar to play through his OP in dead rubbers?

I'd seriously give him 2-3 weeks off with "general soreness" and more if he still isn't feeling 100%

Do we actually know he has OP? I feel like someone noticed he wasn't running properly then suggested 'maybe' he has OP and now everyone's running with the OP line. I do agree though, if he has a niggle I'd rather him sit out the next couple of weeks and come back in for the last couple of games.

Not sure about the rest of the changes. Would be nice to see Kirby debut and give Aish and Broomhead another chance to show that they can become best 22 players. Wills probably comes back in? They can't all get a game unfortunately.

 

[Luke321]

Out: Blair, Thomas
In: Aish, Brown

 

[DaVe86]

Be prepared for a tough week guys!

I reckon we'll be flat as a tack after last week's loss. On the other hand, North are up and about, pushing Essendon to the wire and beating Melbourne in recent weeks.

I reckon we have been playing on a bit of emotion in recent weeks, knowing we had to win every game to make finals...and also save Buckley's job.

That isn't sustainable, and I reckon we'll see a real decrease in that manic pressure we saw against Adelaide. That loss is really going to flatten us.

I am fearful of a 40+ point defeat this week. We saw it against Richmond a few years back where we lost by nearly 100 points once the season was over.

North have nothing to lose, and have been out of finals contention for a while. This is really our first week where it's official.

I think the best thing we can do is make a few changes, so we have a few guys who have that burning desire to perform.

Maybe that means bringing Cox, Broomhead, Aish, Cal Brown and Kirby in.

 

[Johno9911]

Notice how in the first half we kicked long to contests and it paid off. We hardly went backwards at all. Man that was good. Hard to single out any players in the second half because it was team defence that let us down. How hard is it to man up?
Thought Moore had a good game. Wells best game in b&w.
Why is Treloar playing inside mid, really why? Has pace to burn but we don't play to his strengths.
Reid finding it hard to get away from his man. So often he's out of position or being double teamed.

Thomas was ok in the first half. Struggled in the second but man if Adams could hit a target in the first half he couldn't hit anything in the second.
Langdon did pretty well up to the injury before 3/4 time.
Blair didn't do much but his goal in the last was a lot better than him giving up holding the ball at the death.
Grundy should be given a special rule. No handballs. Man how many plays did he stuff up with poor handballs! Just kick it!
Shaz didn't do a lot. Short kicks or long high ones to the opposition advantage, why?
Maynard had a shocker IMO. Has had a poor month, time for a run in the vfl.

Think Aish and Cox will be in this week for Maynard and Shaz

Not sure why you would drop Shaz? Had 24 disposals ( and 0 turnovers) and while yes he didn't really make a heap of ground, and did go sideways and short most of the time, he finally looked comfortable and confident in finding the ball. Agreed now he has to start making those disposals mean something but at least he now looks comfortable and settled in finding the ball and getting his hands on it, so I wouldn't be dropping him now after he has started to show something.

 

[Johno9911]

Was tempted to leave Greenwood out as North have no one to tag but he did such a great job yesterday he deserves a spot and it would send a shocking message otherwise.

Reckon he could go to Higgins? Higgins is the sort of player that could give us some trouble, clever user of the ball and can float forward if not watched carefully. Agree North don't have a lot to offer in terms of who Greenwood should tag, but I reckon Higgins could be the closest to who he should put some time into.

 

[Run n Spread]

Reckon he could go to Higgins? Higgins is the sort of player that could give us some trouble, clever user of the ball and can float forward if not watched carefully. Agree North don't have a lot to offer in terms of who Greenwood should tag, but I reckon Higgins could be the closest to who he should put some time into.

Need more a defender not run with. Go to Ziebell. He has tagged Selwood successfully so why not?

 

[DaVe86]

Levi Greenwood should just be set a tagging role every week. I agree this week it should be Higgins.

For me, his only value to the team is as a tagger. He isn't a good enough forward in my opinion because his kicking is awful. If he isn't going to play as a tagger, better to play someone else. I actually reckon he is one of the best taggers going around.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Be prepared for a tough week guys!

I reckon we'll be flat as a tack after last week's loss. On the other hand, North are up and about, pushing Essendon to the wire and beating Melbourne in recent weeks.

I reckon we have been playing on a bit of emotion in recent weeks, knowing we had to win every game to make finals...and also save Buckley's job.

That isn't sustainable, and I reckon we'll see a real decrease in that manic pressure we saw against Adelaide. That loss is really going to flatten us.

I am fearful of a 40+ point defeat this week. We saw it against Richmond a few years back where we lost by nearly 100 points once the season was over.

North have nothing to lose, and have been out of finals contention for a while. This is really our first week where it's official.

I think the best thing we can do is make a few changes, so we have a few guys who have that burning desire to perform.

Maybe that means bringing Cox, Broomhead, Aish, Cal Brown and Kirby in.

I agree that we will be pretty flat, but I'm not convinced North are as up and about as you say - Essendon did them reasonable comfortably in the end and Melbourne are their bunnies (plus they smashed Adelaide in Tassie earlier in the year).

I would expect to lose but I don't know if we'll get smashed.

 

[Johno9911]

Not to many changes for this week I think. For me;
In: Kirby, Aish
Out: Blair, Treloar (rest/ general soreness)

Agree that Blair wasn't our worst yesterday, however it's our last game at Etihad which is smaller ground meaning Kirby's lack of fitness won't be exposed as much compared to the wide expanses of the MCG. We know Treloar is carrying something so why now push him, Aish and Kirby have been playing well in the 2's so give them a run against the Roo's. Let Thomas play out the season, was quieter yesterday, but has shown a bit and let him prove that deserves a spot on the senior list next season.

Would like Aish to slot straight into the middle and have time on the ball just to see what he can deliver.

Langdon Dunn Howe
Crisp Goldsack Maynard
Grundy Adams Aish
Sidebottom Greenwood WHE
Phillips Reid De Goey
Elliot Moore Fasolo
Wells Scharenberg Thomas Kirby

Personally for me I'd give Wells 1-2 more games for the year then maybe bring in someone else for him and let him rest up for a big pre-season.

 

[TradeDraft]

IN: Aish Kirby

Out: Fasolo Blair

 

[ant22]

Not sure why you would drop Shaz? Had 24 disposals ( and 0 turnovers) and while yes he didn't really make a heap of ground, and did go sideways and short most of the time, he finally looked comfortable and confident in finding the ball. Agreed now he has to start making those disposals mean something but at least he now looks comfortable and settled in finding the ball and getting his hands on it, so I wouldn't be dropping him now after he has started to show something.

The other thing about shaz is he had a number of handballs under quite a bit of pressure and did not panic. We have a few more experience players who may have turned it over. Droping him would be madness. In out in out in out. Does nothing for a players confidence or development.

Aish needs to come back in. I actually wouldn't mind playing Aish, Ramsey and Broomhead for the rest of the year just to see if they are up to it. I know they have all had chances but at various times they all look like they can play. To me they look like players who when they get to the ones play with a bit of anxiety. They need to be told we will play you between now and the end of the year and play with the same sort of freedom you do in the 2s.

I get the feeling atleast 1 maybe 2 will be wearing other colours next year(Ramsey and Broomy) and it would not surprise me to see them do quite well with a fresh start.

 

[robertg22]

Reckon he could go to Higgins? Higgins is the sort of player that could give us some trouble, clever user of the ball and can float forward if not watched carefully. Agree North don't have a lot to offer in terms of who Greenwood should tag, but I reckon Higgins could be the closest to who he should put some time into.

Cunnington is North's best mid and I'd send Greenwood his way.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

In Kirby Cox
Out Blair Reid (rest)

Phillips lucky.

 

[HFF]

Obviously Blair should have been ended years ago.

However Phillips needs to go.

How anyone can see anything in this guy amazes me.

No speed, no ability, not clean with hands, his kicking his hit and miss.

He literally has no tricks.

Vanilla only.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Levi Greenwood should just be set a tagging role every week. I agree this week it should be Higgins.

For me, his only value to the team is as a tagger. He isn't a good enough forward in my opinion because his kicking is awful. If he isn't going to play as a tagger, better to play someone else. I actually reckon he is one of the best taggers going around.

I agree he should be given a player each week but , without checking stats , my impression is that he's one of our better set shots in the forward line when he plays there. Not a bad mark either at times. On the run..........different story.

 

[PieBeast]

Need more a defender not run with. Go to Ziebell. He has tagged Selwood successfully so why not?

I'd send Levi to Cunnington, North's heart and soul player.