Changes Vs Brisbane Brions

[eddiesmith]

feel free to give me your view on each of the follwing points, instead of dishing out grade 3 insults and throwing in cute little emoticons to help your non-existant argument.

here they are again;

jason cloke
- cant kick a drop punt

Maybe 4 years ago Is a good kick now, sure not up there on the Buckley level, but probably just above the Presti level

- cant hit a target

Another myth that may have been right 4 years ago, has improved but some idiots will never see it

- is slow

Wow, so every player has to break the 100m world record or else they are slow? Please tell us all the super quick players on our list, you wont find many and he is on about par with most defenders his size

- has played probably 2 good AFL games in about 4 years

Sorry if he hasnt learnt how to play good games when playing VFL every week, BTW 4 years is funny, 4 years ago he was being praised as being a sensational pickup, even 2003 he played well before Mick dumped him at CHF for the granny

cameron cloke
- cant mark

I have never understood where this comes from, maybe he dropped a couple in his first couple of games back from shoulder reco, havent seen him drop 1 all year before Friday night when everyone was dropping em

- has no football brain

Thats the funniest one yet, if he doesnt have a football brain then I guess you feel the same about 30 players on our list?

- hold onto the ball for FAR too long

Wow, so you going on 1 incident for that? Yet so many whinged when he bombed it long to the goal square last year

- is terribly, terribly slow - even for a big guy

SOrry if he doesnt hold the 100m record, guess you think Guy is fast? Hilarious

- i cant recall him ever playing a good AFL game

Last years game v the Cats, struggled a bit with injury but hasnt been that bad

 

[The Don]

Wakes and Presti have to come in. So does Trav now that Tarrant is out. Ben Davies will be dropped then its out of R Shaw and Dale Thomas and Maxwell to be dropped. Maybe two of them and bring Pendles in.

OUT Tarrant Davies Thomas Maxwell
In Wakes Presti T Cloke Pendlebury

For those who are calling Cam Cloke crap really show their ignorance. To label a 21 year old ruckman as crap is stupid. It takes time for ruckman to develop. He might not make it in the AFL but he has shown enough to suggest he could make it. Would those having a go at Cam please name at 21 year old ruckman with under 50 games experience who is dominating in the AFL. I will wait for a reply with baited breath.

 

[pieman1]

it scares me that you cant see it, but ill put it as simply as i can-

jason cloke
- cant kick a drop punt
- cant hit a target
- is slow
- has played probably 2 good AFL games in about 4 years

cameron cloke
- cant mark
- has no football brain
- hold onto the ball for FAR too long
- is terribly, terribly slow - even for a big guy
- i cant recall him ever playing a good AFL game
Kicking efficiency J.Cloke N.Buckley
2002 79.2 82.9
2003 85.9 81.4
2004 80.4 76.6
2005 79.0 74.5
Just to explain kicking efficiency it means the percentage of times you hit a team-mate with a kick. My advice would be to go buy a copy of AFL prospectus and it will help debunk some of the myths you for some reason believe. He might not be in our best 22 but he is certainly good enough to be on our list, Mick and the other coaches think so and with all due respect I think they're better judges than you. And for a good match Cam has played have a look at the Cats match from last year. He spanked King and Ottens just like I've spanked your 'opinion' in this thread. As I asked earlier, can you name another 21 year old ruckman dominating the competition? If not shut up and give the kid time to develop.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

lol.. Get serious!

In all seriousness, Fanning will struggle to find a spot in the team, now Richards is starting to perform at Williamstown. David is fourth in line IMO.

Of course. Fanning is a Class A dud. Cam Cloke is just as bad.

Richards craps on them both.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Seriously, get ed

Fanning is playing VFL reserves, Cam is doing more in the AFL than Richards has in 6 years

C.Cloke >>>>>>>>>>>>> Richards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fanning

Whats he actually doing? Dropping marks, continually misjudging the ball while it's in the air...

 

[eddiesmith]

Whats he actually doing? Dropping marks, continually misjudging the ball while it's in the air...

12 marks in effectively one game so far this year, so what should he be taking? 15-20 marks in his half games?

 

[dids4]

pieman 1 - i guess you cant argue with statistics.....but bucks and jason are the best and worst kicks at the club.

amazing figures.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

12 marks in effectively one game so far this year, so what should he be taking? 15-20 marks in his half games?

12 uncontested marks?

 

[rychenroller]

Sorry, Richards must come in for C. Cloke. Richards had 15 marks and 29 possessions at Willy. Trav to come in for Taz, Presti in for B. Davies, Wakelin in for Maxwell (need a bigger body for Bradshaw).

 

[MagpieWayne]

In trav out tazz.

 

[harry 0]

Sorry, Richards must come in for C. Cloke. Richards had 15 marks and 29 possessions at Willy. Trav to come in for Taz, Presti in for B. Davies, Wakelin in for Maxwell (need a bigger body for Bradshaw).

Not sure Wakes will come back in this week. Too slow for Bradshaw. Clement will have to take Bradshaw and Maxwell or Lonie on Brennan. Presti on the Browndog.

Can only see them bringing in Wakelin as a late change if Brisbane select Merrett or Mitch Clark.

In Presti T Cloke
Out Tarrant Davies

Wakelin maybe a late change for Thomas or R Shaw. Run the Lions off their legs. If it is wet, don't bring in 3 talls.

 

[Hadders]

look on this c.cloke vs. richards vs. fanning argument.

seriously, on current form none of them have really been banging the door down for selection and IMO they are all pretty even in terms of where they are at in their football careers at the moment. they are all different types of ruckmen (especially cam and guy) who all offer different aspects to the team.

cam has only played half of two games this year. before we drop him why don't we give him at least until the sydney game to see what he can do. if that doesn't work out bring guy or fanning back in. the way I see it, the way we and Josh are travelling at the moment, we can afford to carry a backup ruckman to see what they can offer us.

 

[doppleganger]

richards wont really offer anything different from josh against charman & mclaren, so keep cam in the team to provide a physical match up for the big brions boys

need to replace taz, t.cloke into the 22 and buckley to play up forward all game as a leading target

down back presti in, wakelin???

time to give the pendles a run, thomas looks tired so a rest until after the break for daisy will do him the world of good for the end of the season

IN - t.cloke, presti, pendles
OUT - taz, b.davies, daisy

 

[DT13]

IN - S.Prestigiacomo, S.Wakelin, T.Cloke

OUT - C.Tarrant, B.Davies, D.Thomas

Emergencies - J.Cloke, B.Davies, G.Richards

***Smokey C.Morrison***

 

[MACDAICOS]

IN - S.Prestigiacomo, S.Wakelin, T.Cloke

OUT - C.Tarrant, B.Davies, D.Thomas

Emergencies - J.Cloke, B.Davies, G.Richards

***Smokey C.Morrison***

Correct........................Thomas needs a week off..............T.Cloke to take over Taz's role and will push up from 30mtr - 90mtr........Rocca in the goal square.......Buckley to chop em out and Didak & Leeopn to do what they do best.......Throw a Swanny and a Burns in there and whe'll kick enough.......But it's gonna be tight!