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Great news.
I think we'll see either College or Lucas in for Tunbridge, no other changes. Lamb must have been dropped from the round 2 side for a reason. Perhaps the match committee don't think he's ready yet.
Was just thinking the same. If he's considered depth by some-well that's we we are now after all the injuries.
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He didn't play WAFL last week so I assume they rested him?
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There was no East Perth game last week.
Exactly what I meant!
I have a sneaking suspicion we will play him until at least darling is fully fit, to minimise the loss of defensive pressure that darling brings.
So we may see some more games from him. At the very least, he will chase and put pressure on the rebounding defenders. Plus, he can sledge with the best of them.
He needs to kick goals though in that role. No point tagging a rebounding defender if you aren't an actual threat-they will just run off with no fear of being caught the other way. He needs to play like cripps, who does all the defensive work, but knows how to get the ball offensively.
He can't play offensively like Cripps. He's a poor shot on goal, either set shot or on the run, a poor mark, hardly gets the ball and looks to pass it off even if in range of goal. Hard to see how such a limited player continues to get a game.I have a sneaking suspicion we will play him until at least darling is fully fit, to minimise the loss of defensive pressure that darling brings.
So we may see some more games from him. At the very least, he will chase and put pressure on the rebounding defenders. Plus, he can sledge with the best of them.
He needs to kick goals though in that role. No point tagging a rebounding defender if you aren't an actual threat-they will just run off with no fear of being caught the other way. He needs to play like cripps, who does all the defensive work, but knows how to get the ball offensively.
I don't see him as a really poor set shot, IMO- he's not a dead eye, but decent enough up to about 35-45m out. Generally though, disposal not great.
That's why I think he is a stop gap until darling does come back for that defensive pressure only. He's averaged 6 disposal a game this year, but 4.5 tackles, plus a goal assist per game. Which leads me to believe that's his role. Hold it in to our forward line, if you do get it, hand it off to someone who can finish the work.
We have been super efficient inside 50 so far this year. 48 scores from 90 inside 50's this year, so it may not be the best 2 games to assess a defensive forward when we are finishing so well.
Or, it's a case of some incriminating photos which seem to have passed on to the new coach.
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Geez, if we'd wanted a bloke to play as a defensive forward and apply pressure I wish we still had Hams on our list. He would get more than 6 bloody touches a game and kick heaps more goals (and actually has a good left foot). Yet McGinnity is the one still on our books.
I think it's the incriminating photos. Must be.I don't see him as a really poor set shot, IMO- he's not a dead eye, but decent enough up to about 35-45m out. Generally though, disposal not great.
That's why I think he is a stop gap until darling does come back for that defensive pressure only. He's averaged 6 disposal a game this year, but 4.5 tackles, plus a goal assist per game. Which leads me to believe that's his role. Hold it in to our forward line, if you do get it, hand it off to someone who can finish the work.
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We have been super efficient inside 50 so far this year. 48 scores from 90 inside 50's this year, so it may not be the best 2 games to assess a defensive forward when we are finishing so well.
Or, it's a case of some incriminating photos which seem to have passed on to the new coach.
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There are 2 reasons he's there:
1) he trains the house down so that alone is enough.
2) we have priddis getting all our touches so he doesn't even get a chance to touch the ball.
I hope that explains to all you haters why he should and will be there for the next 5 seasons until priddis decides 3 brownlows is enough and now it's time to give other people and other teams a chance. It will be a sad day at the club but all good things must come to an end. Anyway we have till 2020 to enjoy them still!!
I just don't know how you can only get 6 possessions in a game of football, with 82% game time? I know everyone says he works hard but to me, you're not working hard enough if you only get 6 possessions. I'd say his opponent wouldnt be playing very tight so if we have the ball in space with a very limited chance of causing a turnover then he should be presenting.
The stats below are horrendous and he should be delisted based on these stats alone
The other problem is teams just don't need to think about him at all. When Selwood was tagging, I'm sure they spent at least a little bit of time talking the team through how to help out the player getting tagged, making sure they limit Selwoods damage going the other way as he could also rack up 25 pos on the rebound and the person that would most likely get tagged I'm sure watched a bit of footage.
The coaches would actually believe they are playing against a team of 21
The stats below are horrendous and he should be delisted based on these stats alone
The other problem is teams just don't need to think about him at all. When Selwood was tagging, I'm sure they spent at least a little bit of time talking the team through how to help out the player getting tagged, making sure they limit Selwoods damage going the other way as he could also rack up 25 pos on the rebound and the person that would most likely get tagged I'm sure watched a bit of footage.
The coaches would actually believe they are playing against a team of 21
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Who would you replace McGinnity with?
I would give the following players a couple of games and tell them to play tight to limit the impact of their opponent but also to provide an option when we have clear possession
Lamb
Colledge
Yeo - Rosa to HB, Duggan to the Wing
Rosa
Shep - Rosa to HB, Duggan to the wing
Tunbridge - I realise he can't now he's injured
Hutchings - Injured
Cripps - Cripps to play tighter, Lamb to play the free roaming half forward
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Imo, you just can't afford to have players who play 82% game time getting 6 possessions week in week out.
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I reckon these guys are you most realisitc options without affecting the structure of the team too much. I would even add Duggan to that list because playing that position may be less taxing on his fitness than a true midfield/wing role. Its a shame about Tunbridge and Hutchings because they would also offer a midfield rotation which McGinnity (correct me if I'm wrong) doesnt offer. I would bring in Lamb/Colledge for McGinnity; Lamb kicked a goal and had ten possessions against the Bulldogs, although he may have played a different role.
I think Shep could also quite easily fill the role without changing the structure to much. He usually plays on the least damaging forward. He's a good mark, quick on the lead, decent kick for goal and can also be added to the midfield rotation. I was quite impressed with him on a number of occasions late last year with his clearance work.
Now we know who is injured and who isnt i would bring in:
Out: Tunbridge
In: Lamb
Would be fine if College was given a go too.
Out: Tunbridge
In: Lamb
Would be fine if College was given a go too.
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I don't know if bringing Shep into the forward line again would be good for his development. We are just starting to see him playing well at HB now, moving him up the ground might be more negative than positive. But I agree that he has the tools to do well there. Anything would be better than McGinnity right now.
Surely McG needs to be dropped
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More i think about it , i think College over Lamb might be better as he would offer a big body in the contest like what Tunbridge was doing last week.
I do not rate Mcginnity but the end of the day Simmo will pick him for most of the year till we get a better option in Newman.
My lineup:
Bennell Mcgovern Yeo
Shep Schoey Hurn
Rosa Priddis Gaff
Masten Lycett College
Cripps JK Lecra
Ruck: Nic Nat Shuey Wellingham
Bench: Mcginnity,Sheed, Nelson. Sub: Duggan
I do not rate Mcginnity but the end of the day Simmo will pick him for most of the year till we get a better option in Newman.
My lineup:
Bennell Mcgovern Yeo
Shep Schoey Hurn
Rosa Priddis Gaff
Masten Lycett College
Cripps JK Lecra
Ruck: Nic Nat Shuey Wellingham
Bench: Mcginnity,Sheed, Nelson. Sub: Duggan
This worries me against a team like Freo
There isn't a single reason to justify his spot in the 22.
Defensive forwards actually score goals and put pressure on their direct opponent as well as run with them. McGinnity just keeps his opponent to 20-25 disposals and has 0 impact on the match himself.
