Channel 7 The Decision

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bit like never closing an unsolved murder case, not that hard to understand I would of thought unless you interpreting through red and black eyes...

Well no, they are saying that ASADA know nothing about players taking banned substances are will only know if someone offers them new information. What I am entertaining is that the AFL are saying the interim report gives them nothing to infract the players on, but the full report which has no doubt been discussed between ASADA and the AFL may yet contain a bit more information. For a start, it has to mention who signed consent forms, who admitted getting injections, who admitted getting AOD (Jobe for one). You can't just leave those things out of a full report and pretend they didn't happen. If they find that Jobe did not take AOD, despite thinking he did, they must give a rationale for that. If they find that the AOD at the very least was taken, they need to justify why they are not infracting on that very issue. If ASADA have stuffed up, they should explain what they did and somebody needs to step down over it.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

AFL have only decided they cant charge the players at the moment under their anti doping laws with the evidence they currently have in front of them.

Pretty sure ASADA or WADA haven't determined that they cant or wont charge the individual players under their anti doping laws etc and wont until they conclude the investigation, which is ongoing.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

So everyone clinging to the fact that it's an interim report, so they speak to Dank....and then? What exactly are they doing after that that they wouldn't have had the chance to do in the last 6 months?

Think carefully too, there's no rush.

Well to be honest they already have a 'Strong Circumstancial' case, they are just dotting their i's and crossing their t's. If they interview Dank, then they will be able to request his records of all injections.

My expectation though is we should get a press release from ASADA in the next few days. My hope is this will clear everything up because Mxett is posting with such furor he might kill the internet, and that my friends will be a bad day.

 

[Albert Ross]

Out of curiosity, are there any major leagues around the world that are not associated with WADA? The AFL could join that club if they let drugged players keep playing.

The American ones. The Major League Baseball have a negotiated agreement with their player union. Most of those leagues don't test for things like HGH and MLB only started this year. That is why the sentences are so low and it takes 3 positive steroid tests before a guy gets a like ban (the first positive is only 60 days?). HGH is still 'legal' in the NFL - or at least not tested for.

The AFL considered opting out of signing up to WADA over the illicit drugs portion (preferring their 3 strikes policy) ... but Canberra twisted their arms (and cricket, NRL, soccer etc) telling them it would be a really bad look and they can so adios to any government cash.

 

[MightyTiger]

Dank isn't talking, Cronulla has nothing to do with Essendon.

The investigation into Essendon is complete, no infraction notices have been issued. I know you have wasted 6 months of your life waiting for this day only for it to be a disappointment but it's time to move on.

Players are safe.

inb4 but but but.......

I'm sorry but has the full report been handed out has it? Last time I checked they had only put together an INTERIM report, would you like someone to explain to you the meaning of INTERIM?

 

[blackshadow]

FFS, no it does not. You are making shit up now.

Either a fail troll attempt, or a delusional fool.

Either way, you're wrong and i'm enjoying watching yourself dig deeper.

Given that mxett has been digging the same hole for 6 months I'm surprised I haven't seen his head pop through a pitch during an ashes game.

 

[Gone Critical]

Very interesting how we see statements to read what we want them to read. My take on Dillons statement is it merely announces the commencement of proceedings against Ess officials while leaving the players til later. There was nothing there that has the players in the clear. The key phrase to me is the one below.

"There is no specific anti doping rule violation attributed to any individual player for AOD-9604 or any other prohibited substance"

Key words are specific and individual. Remember this statement is not a newspaper article . It is announcing charges and as such has to be certain in what it says. Dillon did law himself and the statement would have been checked over by the AFL lawyers. As important as what it says is what it didn't say. It didn't say the following

Essendon as a club didn't use prohibited substances
Individual players didn't use prohibited substances

It says

No specific violations can be attributed to an individual player.

So there is plenty of scope for part of the charges relating to Hird et al on the 26th to involve the option that has been previously leaked from the ASADA report re the strong circumstantial evidence that 11 players may have been given a prohibited drug. All Dillon said was no specific violations can be tied to an individual at this stage. I think there will be a high chance on the 26th that the charges against Ess will involve using prohibited drugs.

If as has been reported the individual records Ess kept are virtually non existent this would preclude for now any individuals being charged. What it doesn't do is get Essendon as a club off the hook. In fact if this scenario plays out, and at this stage it's only based on newspaper speculation, Essendon as a club would stand even more condemned. It may well be that the lack of player charges will only mean greater pain for the club as a whole.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Very interesting how we see statements to read what we want them to read.

yep, classic confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

 

[BlueWorld]

Players did what they are told to do - check with the club doctor.

Reid has now been charged. AOD clearly given and prohibited but players not punished due to not being at fault. Pretty simple really.

Club will be smashed but players will be safe - as they should be.

No such thing as players not being at fault under WADA code. They're responsible for all substance that enter their bodies. And Fahey has said that repeatedly and says infractions are likely.

 

[Napier_Street]

Larkin has just spoken to WADA and he says that WADA had no problem with the AFL code of conduct and the issue is with ASADA and until that comes out it cannot be definitive it the players are cleared looks like a dispute between ASADA and WADA and ASADA has to clarify it. But WADA is clear that AOD is a banned and illegal substance. So WADA are waiting to hear what ASADA do before they take action.

ASADA, WADA, YADA YADA YADA!!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

New evidence like say err um THE FINAL REPORT !?!?!?

You are way out of your depth mxett

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I reckon we should listen to WADA before Fox Footy.

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So to put it in layman's terms...

The AFL do not have the ability to infract the players in the case of them pleading that they were just following the docs orders. The AFL instead go after the governance of the club in question.

WADA, on the other hand do have a catch all clause where you are responsible for everything that enters your body.

Is this how you are reading it?

 

[upnsmoke]

My god, all those who say essendon footy club have turned into a cult are right...I have read so many posts arguing forcibly and coherently that the charges laid today actually amount to the club being cleared that I believe it...praise the hird and pass the ammunition...

Lol

Yeah.

It's amazing, utterly amazing what I have read in these forums.
The saying "you only see what you want to see" applies 100% to some posters here.

The words "currently" , "...at this moment" etc; in corporate world talk implies and means the information is not 100% complete, and open to change at a later time.



A month ago; the same posters are #standingby .... Now that so called person to stand by with is being charged, the same people are switching to players, and quite literally "seeing only what they want to see".


When there are doubts about players taking prohibited drugs or not, what is the success rate of them getting off when WADA takes lead?.... Serious question.

 

[Willo_]

So the new evidence the afl and ASADA are waiting for are names of individual players, despite the fact ASADA told the players they wouldn't charge them over AOD.....

Riiiight....

So did the afl say in that statement that ASADA told the players they wouldn't be charged for AOD? I must have missed that bit

 

[mxett]

So did the afl say in that statement that ASADA told the players they wouldn't be charged for AOD? I must have missed that bit

No, they said on current evidence, which includes an admission by Jobe that he received AOD, that no infractions were to be handed out against players. All the people claiming the ASADA report didn't disclose individual names, what more do the afl need than an admission??

 

[Donstuie]

Post all the comments you like. The ASADA interim report details what substances were used and the club and now the afl have said no substances were found that warrant infractions.

Yes!!!

Translation: "TL;DR. HIRDY RULLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZ!"

 

[Willo_]

No, they said on current evidence, which includes an admission by Jobe that he received AOD, that no infractions were to be handed out against players. All the people claiming the ASADA report didn't disclose individual names, what more do the afl need than an admission??

So you mean on the interim report.... In which players can't be named due to it being an interim report....
Do you expect players to be charged when they aren't yet named in a report? I don't... does it mean they won't be named on the final report? Not at all

 

[mxett]

So you mean on the interim report.... In which players can't be named due to it being an interim report....
Do you expect players to be charged when they aren't yet named in a report? I don't... does it mean they won't be named on the final report? Not at all

ONLY a dramatic disclosure from Stephen Dank or WADA intervention would see Essendon players penalised over the club's 2012 supplements program.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...r-doping-charges/story-fnia3zb2-1226696644875



Can you show me where ASADA have claimed their interim report doesn't contain information on individual players? Especially since the report contains details on players interviews. The afl have on record an open confession by Jobe. They have their individual information right there, yet still no infraction.

 

[Donstuie]

The sad thing is that if I put mxett in ignore, most of this wonderful thread would disappear

 

[mxett]

The sad thing is that if I put mxett in ignore, most of this wonderful thread would disappear

You're taking this a little too seriously I feel

 

[Gone Critical]

No, they said on current evidence, which includes an admission by Jobe that he received AOD, that no infractions were to be handed out against players. All the people claiming the ASADA report didn't disclose individual names, what more do the afl need than an admission??

I think what you need to consider is the report said there were no specific violations attributable to any individual players. It doesn't say there are no individuals who took prohibited substances or that Essendon as a club didn't have players taking prohibited substances. All it tells us is at this time they don't have information to attach a specific instance to an individual player.

For Ess to be in the clear re banned drugs you need some specific statement saying there is not enough evidence to say such drugs were taken. That assurance was not stated yesterday.

 

[mxett]

I think what you need to consider is the report said there were no specific violations attributable to any individual players. It doesn't say there are no individuals who took prohibited substances or that Essendon as a club didn't have players taking prohibited substances. All it tells us is at this time they don't have information to attach a specific instance to an individual player.

For Ess to be in the clear re banned drugs you need some specific statement saying there is not enough evidence to say such drugs were taken. That assurance was not stated yesterday.

The AFLs comments were based on their information which includes a player confession, not specifically or only the interim report. They clearly stated this

 

[Embleberry]

No, they said on current evidence, which includes an admission by Jobe that he received AOD, that no infractions were to be handed out against players. All the people claiming the ASADA report didn't disclose individual names, what more do the afl need than an admission??

Wooooowwww.... Essendon supporters... Last week it was Jobe BELIEVED he took AOD, now it is he ADMITTED taking AOD. Yet it is WADA banned. Lets just wait until the full report is released.

 

[Embleberry]

The AFLs comments were based on their information which includes a player confession, not specifically or only the interim report. They clearly stated this

What is this confession you speak of?

 

[Gone Critical]

The AFLs comments were based on their information which includes a player confession, not specifically or only the interim report. They clearly stated this

The report doesn't say individual Essendon players haven't taken AOD 9604 or other prohibited substances. Wait to the 26th and see what evidence comes out. If at that time Essendon as a club are not charged with having these drugs used at the club then your optimism will be justified. You don't have that info yet and until you do the players are not clear.