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Cheney or Murphy, who would you have?

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Firstly i am not a Murphy basher and frankly dont appreciate the negativity he receives from our fans, but i ask this question because i believe there is only room for one of them in the 22 and unfortunately for murph i have to choose Cheney.

Injuries aside, our back 6 for the remainder of the year would be Gibson, Lisle/Schoey, Birchall, Burgoyne, Puopolo and Cheney/Murphy

I believe they break even in man on man defence, but cheney brains murphy in an attacking sense. Also i believe cheney is more versatile and has sharper foot skills where murphy is pretty much a defender and thats it.

Anyone agree with this or am i just a BF flog?
 
Sorry mate but from a neautral i can not possibly agree with you.
Murphy needs to be judged on 2010/11 when he has played largely in he's best position and has matured as a league footballer.
Neither get a game because of their attacking qualities, which means their defensive qualities seperate them and their positions, and this is where Murphy's flexibility and better defensive qualities. Murphy is Hawthorns best pure defender on anyone under 186cm's and is now a permenent fixture in the side barring injury.
 
I would say that the choice is really between Pup or Cheyne.

When it comes to doing a job on an opposition small forward, Murph is your man.....though Pup did a pretty decent job on the tip rat MkII on the weekend.

I think Murphy has improved out of sight in the last couple of years.....still prone to the old Murph clangers, but not as often these days. Getting better with experience, and I think he could be become a Hawthorn favourite in years to come........bit out their I know.

If anything, I would say that Murphy is a bit more versatile.....can play taller, or run with the smaller faster forward. Shows good courage overhead when backing back into the unknown to take the defensive mark.

I like Cheyne, but Murph prob has more runs on the board at the moment......just my opinion.
 

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Cheney is probably a better player at ground level but so far from what I've seen Murphy is a much better defender in a one on one. He plays his role and whilst he cops it from the fans he usually plays his role and beats his opponent. It's hard to compare since Cheney hasn't played that many games yet but I tend to agree we can only really facilitate one of them in our defense.

That being said. I'd be more for -

Out: Cheney, Murphy
In: Shoenmakers, Lisle
 
Murphy is my choice. Has the runs on the board, experience plays a big role down back. I like what Cheney has bought to the table over the last couple of games... especially his hardness. However, I think he's behind Murph in regards to the quickness in his decision making. I hope he can improve this with time, but Cheney often gets caught out "deer in the headlights-style".

This used to happen to Murph to a certain extent too, so it might just be a confidence thing.
 
I think it's a good question, although you should probably include Guerra in your back 6 IMO.

Based on the last month of football I would prefer Cheney, but overall I would feel more comfortable heading into a final with Murphy, and both may even miss out for Lisle or Schoenemaker.
 
Baz_hawk said:
Cheney is probably a better player at ground level but so far from what I've seen Murphy is a much better defender in a one on one. He plays his role and whilst he cops it from the fans he usually plays his role and beats his opponent. It's hard to compare since Cheney hasn't played that many games yet but I tend to agree we can only really facilitate one of them in our defense.

That being said. I'd be more for -

Out: Cheney, Murphy
In: Shoenmakers, Lisle
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In my humble I think it will be a long time b4 you see these 2 in the same defence unless there is an injury to Gibbo, and Strats and Gil are still out.
 
Unless he gets injured between now and October, Murph will play every game for us.
He is the leadership man down back (when Luke is not directing traffic) and is doing what is asked week in, week out.

I like what Cheney has done, but he is no chance over Murph at the moment.
 
Cheney has gone alright and would be unlucky to be dropped, but Murphy's one on one work is better and he can play a little taller. Murphy has played some shockers but for the most part of his career he has been more than serviceable.
Who would have thought that there would be a back line selection dilemma.
 
Right at the moment, Murph is ahead in my opinion. I think that he plays his role in the team slightly better than Cheney. They are the same on man to man defending (spoiling, contested marking, etc.). He hasn't been talked about much this year, but you have to have players who play their role in the team and Murph does this beautifully...... Who knows, Cheney may develop into a premier defender, which I believe he will, and will surpass Murphy.... But thats in the future, no-one can tell the future...........
 

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Murphy would be picked in defense only after Birchall and Gibbo at the moment! As others have said, need to include Guerra in the mix. Also on Poppy, he is more likely to play time forward if he can hold his spot, which he probably should. But then again 26 into 22 doesn't go!

The player I find hard to decide if he will hold his spot is Punky. In many ways should but someone has to go and however is out will be unlucky!

JMTC
 
mollyfud said:
Murphy would be picked in defense only after Birchall and Gibbo at the moment! As others have said, need to include Guerra in the mix. Also on Poppy, he is more likely to play time forward if he can hold his spot, which he probably should. But then again 26 into 22 doesn't go!

The player I find hard to decide if he will hold his spot is Punky. In many ways should but someone has to go and however is out will be unlucky!

JMTC
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I disagree Punky and the young ones add to our volatility and should be retained. As I think they have added to our potency.
 
Baz_hawk said:
Cheney is probably a better player at ground level but so far from what I've seen Murphy is a much better defender in a one on one. He plays his role and whilst he cops it from the fans he usually plays his role and beats his opponent. It's hard to compare since Cheney hasn't played that many games yet but I tend to agree we can only really facilitate one of them in our defense.

That being said. I'd be more for -

Out: Cheney, Murphy
In: Shoenmakers, Lisle
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I like this! Both Shoenmakers and Lisle can be moved forward if needed and provide so much more flexibility. Murphy is fairly one dimensional and it's still early days for Cheney.
 
The idea of having to chose between one guy or another doesn't sit that well with me. Mainly because I think we've got an amount of flexibility that we've not had for sometime and to typecast certain players for specific positions and therefore say others can't be in the same team...well, I'm just not sure that that's always the case.

We've shown over the last 12months that even when we've been down a few KP players we've backed ourselves in to win the contests without bringing in Lisle or Schoey. So the basic set up in the backline really comes back to a "sum of all parts" philosophy rather than a "we need a specific player here".

Of course, this line of thought would change by the week, but it would also suggest that Murphy and Cheney could very well play in the backline each week without compromising what the backline sets out to achieve.
 
Have been happy with both player's contributions and they should both be congratulated for the work they've done this season in a part of the ground where we've lost many soldiers to injury. I wouldn't be too quick to bring in Shoey and kick either of these guys out. Cheney has been a spoiling machine lately and seems to be gathering more and more confidence each game in the brown and gold. Unfortunately people seem to Judge Murphy harshly because he isn't as quick as other defenders or as polished but like many others have said on here, he plays his role. How about judging Murphy by looking at his opponents numbers week in week out?
 

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Murphy due to discipline, whether or not he accomplishes what he's trying, everything he does is exactly what the coach wants him to do.

Cheney I've liked, but against Melbourne he gave Bate too much space at times, which actually created a couple of Melbourne goals, yes Bate is a spud, but you've gotta show all players some respect. But it was funny to watch 2 rangas playing on each other.
 
If you asked my 8 year old daughter she would say,"Both have to stay" as she received the signed ball after the Freo game from Cheney which was also signed by Tom.

From my perspective - I would say Murph at the moment simply because of his displine to stick to the game plan and experience however I like what we have - depth and no player should feel safe as there is another itching to take his spot
 
IT is hard to tell from TV but to me it looks like Murphy simply takes the most forward opposition player apart from the key forward (Gibbos man). Cheney seems to do Murphy's old job of guarding a man. I really like what I see in Cheney but as I doubt Shoey or Lisle are ready to play the Gilham role (as Murphy is now doing) so if one is popping out for a KPD then it is Cheney for mine. Next year might be a different story though.
 
Right now Murphy but Cheney has more time on his side. Will be interesting when Stratton, Schoenmakers and Gilham return, not to mention Lisle waiting in the wings. To think our back six is considered our weakness, we are actually second behind only Collingwood for scores against.
 

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