Asia China's growing influence

[nut]

Batteries,diesel and jet fuel.
They'll be fine.

The Drones wars… wasn’t that a Star Wars episode?

 

[schneebly111]

No, it's a geopolitical move so that USA can assert more direct power over Russia, as well as gain access to rare earth minerals.

Currently, China produces 90% of rare earth minerals and Greenland has a very large supply that's mostly untapped.

Rare earths are used for electrics - Cars, smartphones, TVs and, of course, defense systems.

USA is clearly making a play here to get direct access to rare earth themselves without pandering to China, whilst denying them access to Venezuelan oil.

USA, being China's #1 importer, will be able to produce many of the advanced electronics they currently buy from China, so it's essentially a bit of a triple whammy.

1. Prevent China's access from the world's largest oil reserve = Have to go via USA
2. Reduce USA's dependence on China for electrical goods and products = USA more self-sufficient
3. With the USA, China's #1 customer, no longer reliant on them for their goods(they will just tariff Chinese goods until they're more expensive than locally-produced ones), the Chinese economy will weaken whilst USA's grows.

Now, for all this to happen it'll need to happen within the next 3 years. Is it plausible? I don't know. What Trump's doing however aligns incredibly closely with what he stated in an interview on the Oprah show in 1988. He's clearly had this on his mind for a very long time.

It’s also straight land theft no matter how hard you try to justify it just because it’s daddy USA doing the thieving

 

[barreness]

Just post the link to back up your claim IF there is one a stop being a equivocator

For what?

 

[barreness]

Batteries,diesel and jet fuel.
They'll be fine.

While drones are scary AF and China holds dominance here. It still doesn't change the protracted nature of war, energy density will prevail.

Jet fuel/diesel wins eventually. Long range strikes are still rocket fuel/internal combustion

 

[Aussie in exile]

For what?

Deflect deflect deflect

 

[schneebly111]

This is looking to be true. US war hawks refocusing to the western hemisphere so their locally based lickspittles have become very quiet recently:

 

[barreness]

Deflect deflect deflect

Please I'm begging you, what would you like a link to?

Zero deflection, lets just be real for a second. This is not a difficult request

 

[Aussie in exile]

Please I'm begging you, what would you like a link to?

Zero deflection, lets just be real for a second. This is not a difficult request

Dear oh dear oh dear.
You made a comment and I asked you to back that comment up with a link, but obviously there isn't a link to back up you comment. No surprise there.

 

[Aussie in exile]

These events demonstrate a clear difference between the two superpowers

One’s foreign policy encourages investment, infrastructure, and development.

The other’s contains airstrikes, coups, and theft.

It is clear China is a more responsible adult on the world stage.

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You could sing another rousing chorus while you're waiting.

donny rump isn't going to like this anti christian action from the CCP.

China's crackdown on underground churches intensifies with new arrests

Leaders of Early Rain Covenant Church have been arrested and Yayang Church is being torn down, groups say.

www.bbc.com

 

[Markfs]

donny rump isn't going to like this anti christian action from the CCP.

China's crackdown on underground churches intensifies with new arrests

Leaders of Early Rain Covenant Church have been arrested and Yayang Church is being torn down, groups say.

www.bbc.com

who knows if these churches are part of a CIA strategy. I notice that one of the church names refers to Zion.

 

[DaTBird187]

This will affect our beef farmersm but I thought china didn't believe in tariffs

Australian meat body warns new China beef tariff impact will be 'severe'

Meat Industry Council says it is "extremely disappointed" as China imposes a tariff on Australian beef imports that could cost $1 billion.

www.abc.net.au

Perhaps sell decent beef in Australia at respectable prices. $70-$100kg for decent steak is highway robbery here.

 

[barreness]

Dear oh dear oh dear.
You made a comment and I asked you to back that comment up with a link, but obviously there isn't a link to back up you comment. No surprise there.

Ok you won't specify so I'll presume it was the most spicy bit about Stalin trying to unify Germany in the 50's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_Note
The Stalin Note, also known as the March Note, was a document delivered to the representatives of the Western Allies (the United Kingdom, France, and the United States) from the Soviet Union in separated Germany including the two countries in West and East on 10 March 1952. Soviet general secretary and premier Joseph Stalin put forth a proposal for a German reunification and neutralisation with no conditions on economic policies and with guarantees for "the rights of man and basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, press, religious persuasion, political conviction, and assembly"[1] and free activity of democratic parties and organizations.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Ok you won't specify so I'll presume it was the most spicy bit about Stalin trying to unify Germany in the 50's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_Note
The Stalin Note, also known as the March Note, was a document delivered to the representatives of the Western Allies (the United Kingdom, France, and the United States) from the Soviet Union in separated Germany including the two countries in West and East on 10 March 1952. Soviet general secretary and premier Joseph Stalin put forth a proposal for a German reunification and neutralisation with no conditions on economic policies and with guarantees for "the rights of man and basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, press, religious persuasion, political conviction, and assembly"[1] and free activity of democratic parties and organizations.

Is this the same stalin who killied more soviets than the nazis with death camps etc??

 

[barreness]

Is this the same stalin who killied more soviets than the nazis with death camps etc??

Was that the link you wanted? I mean we've done a huge back and forth here


That would be the same Georgian politician, yes.
You should be more careful about comparing the Soviets to the Nazis, can lead to a somewhat soft approach to fascism which I think you could be dog walked into

 

[Aussie in exile]

Was that the link you wanted? I mean we've done a huge back and forth here


That would be the same Georgian politician, yes.
You should be more careful about comparing the Soviets to the Nazis, can lead to a somewhat soft approach to fascism which I think you could be dog walked into

I ask the questions you just have to answer them, but it appears you don't like questions about little legs putins illegal invasion of Ukraine. but i guess with you living in mother russia you have to show support for putin otherwise you will fall out of a window, or be jailed on trumped up charges.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Was that the link you wanted? I mean we've done a huge back and forth here


That would be the same Georgian politician, yes.
You should be more careful about comparing the Soviets to the Nazis, can lead to a somewhat soft approach to fascism which I think you could be dog walked into

You do offer comedy value.
Do you moonlight on the moscow stages as a comedian?

 

[barreness]

I ask the questions you just have to answer them, but it appears you don't like questions about little legs putins illegal invasion of Ukraine. but i guess with you living in mother russia you have to show support for putin otherwise you will fall out of a window, or be jailed on trumped up charges.

It would be nice to actually get a question out of you rather than;

'Deflection, deflection"
'You won't provide a link'
etc

 

[schneebly111]

Stats released today show China’s triumph in the Tariff War was more impressive than first thought and they are in a much stronger position now in the global economy:

China's trade ends 2025 with record $1.2 trillion surplus despite Trump tariff jolt

China's trade surplus was led by booming exports to non-U.S. markets as producers looked to build global scale to fend off sustained pressure from the Trump administration.

www.reuters.com

 

[nut]

A brilliant perspective on the China and why western economies will eventually fail.

 

[Sphynx]

While drones are scary AF and China holds dominance here. It still doesn't change the protracted nature of war, energy density will prevail.

Jet fuel/diesel wins eventually. Long range strikes are still rocket fuel/internal combustion

They’d want to increase their range.

As much as that is frightening, the PLAN are equally as afraid of the Australian Navy in the coming years, drone production about to hit hyperdrive and given how much the Chinese have invested in their Navy.

Whilst the MQ-28 has received plenty of press in the last few years, it’s the Ghost Shark that may be the ADF’s crowning glory of the last 50 years and a complete triumph given the cluster **** of bad press of the last 20 years

The reason why it’s being kept under wraps much more than the MQ-28 is that it’s considered a genuine Naval Apex technology and it’s in full scale production right now.

We could have 100+ of them by the end of 2027.

They will get Copperhead loitering UAV torpedoes capable of sinking a destroyer and carrier.

The Ghost Shark can be dropped out of a C17 or off a Frigate. It can sit on the seabed completely still for months at a time at 6000m, well below sonar ranges and any manned vessel. These can be scattered absolutely everywhere throughout the pacific and in a mass ring of defence of Australia, completely undetectable as an ambush predator with never ending endurance. They could be built in the hundreds or even thousands in the event of war given their production capability abilities.

There’s a thought that Taiwan is getting urgent because of the prospect of the Australian Ghost Shark program being fully operational in the next 12 months, as an underwater deployment the size of the PLAN’s entire submarine force in defence of Taiwan, with full kamikaze capabilities against hundreds of billions of naval assets is entirely possible in the the very near future by the RAN

The RAN will be a major naval power of the next century.

 

[schneebly111]

They’d want to increase their range.

As much as that is frightening, the PLAN are equally as afraid of the Australian Navy in the coming years, drone production about to hit hyperdrive and given how much the Chinese have invested in their Navy.

Whilst the MQ-28 has received plenty of press in the last few years, it’s the Ghost Shark that may be the ADF’s crowning glory of the last 50 years and a complete triumph given the cluster **** of bad press of the last 20 years

The reason why it’s being kept under wraps much more than the MQ-28 is that it’s considered a genuine Naval Apex technology and it’s in full scale production right now.

We could have 100+ of them by the end of 2027.

They will get Copperhead loitering UAV torpedoes capable of sinking a destroyer and carrier.

The Ghost Shark can be dropped out of a C17 or off a Frigate. It can sit on the seabed completely still for months at a time at 6000m, well below sonar ranges and any manned vessel. These can be scattered absolutely everywhere throughout the pacific and in a mass ring of defence of Australia, completely undetectable as an ambush predator with never ending endurance. They could be built in the hundreds or even thousands in the event of war given their production capability abilities.

There’s a thought that Taiwan is getting urgent because of the prospect of the Australian Ghost Shark program being fully operational in the next 12 months, as an underwater deployment the size of the PLAN’s entire submarine force in defence of Taiwan, with full kamikaze capabilities against hundreds of billions of naval assets is entirely possible in the the very near future by the RAN

The RAN will be a major naval power of the next century.

Somebody’s reading way too much fan fiction,

There’s more chance of Australia using them against the USA when Trump wakes up one day after dreaming that our iron mines are actually his……

 

[barreness]

They’d want to increase their range.

As much as that is frightening, the PLAN are equally as afraid of the Australian Navy in the coming years, drone production about to hit hyperdrive and given how much the Chinese have invested in their Navy.

Whilst the MQ-28 has received plenty of press in the last few years, it’s the Ghost Shark that may be the ADF’s crowning glory of the last 50 years and a complete triumph given the cluster **** of bad press of the last 20 years

The reason why it’s being kept under wraps much more than the MQ-28 is that it’s considered a genuine Naval Apex technology and it’s in full scale production right now.

We could have 100+ of them by the end of 2027.

They will get Copperhead loitering UAV torpedoes capable of sinking a destroyer and carrier.

The Ghost Shark can be dropped out of a C17 or off a Frigate. It can sit on the seabed completely still for months at a time at 6000m, well below sonar ranges and any manned vessel. These can be scattered absolutely everywhere throughout the pacific and in a mass ring of defence of Australia, completely undetectable as an ambush predator with never ending endurance. They could be built in the hundreds or even thousands in the event of war given their production capability abilities.

There’s a thought that Taiwan is getting urgent because of the prospect of the Australian Ghost Shark program being fully operational in the next 12 months, as an underwater deployment the size of the PLAN’s entire submarine force in defence of Taiwan, with full kamikaze capabilities against hundreds of billions of naval assets is entirely possible in the the very near future by the RAN

Yeh sounds cool, would have to be tested in combat before I'd claim a big win.

How do they communicate with home? The signals would give them away, we've been through this in the cold war(surface occasionally to signal then quickly dive before they find ya)

Never ending endurance? I mean nuclear might get you a few decades, these aren't though

The RAN will be a major naval power of the next century.

Righto

 

[Sphynx]

Yeh sounds cool, would have to be tested in combat before I'd claim a big win.

How do they communicate with home? The signals would give them away, we've been through this in the cold war(surface occasionally to signal then quickly dive before they find ya)

Never ending endurance? I mean nuclear might get you a few decades, these aren't though

Righto

All classified. As I said there’s a reason there’s very little media on these, yet they are in full scale production right now, years anhead of schedule and one of the ADF’s largest current projects.

Theres “dozens” due to be operational in only a few months and the thought is we will build hundreds to outnumber even the Chinese Navy in pure numbers.

The issue with UAV vs air bound drones initially were exactly what you are describing, the data link in water vs satellite/air. Aussie engineers solved it though apparently.

We are building one for the US, but it’s not even been confirmed if we will export these, I doubt it, if it does prove to be an apex defense technology.

In terms of the endurance, they are packed with Mitsubishi lithium ion batteries, the same in the Japanese submarines. The sentry model, just sees them parachuted out of C17’s or dropped off the back of destroyers or frigates. They can be launched from beaches also (I.e Australias many overseas territories and islands)

They sit fully charged with their sensors on, on the seabed or below crush depths etc and sit almost as stationless sentries armed with what we believe will be copperhead uav smart torpedos. It’s possible some mission module noses could contain air drones etc also.

In the event of conflict or defensive actions that can be activated, surface and defend/attack. They only have to surface a few times a year to recharge batteries and then can move to a slightly different location if detected. They sit in depths below virtually all radar and sonar technology on most Moderna subs and surface vessels. Batteries aren’t never ending obviously, however in the context of defending over periods of time, they can sit there for years and can be replaced on mass very very quickly.

On scale these are only likely to cost in the vacinity of $10m each + the armament costs which are a few million per sub. It’s quite possible we deploy hundreds in choke points in the Timor Sea, Arafura Sea, Pacific, South China Sea exist points etc etc.

It’s a game changer for the Australian Navy and in warfare in general, given the relative cost and time for nations to build carriers and destroyers.

It might render amphibious invasions near impossible in the future. Coast lines will be too well protected

 

[barreness]

All classified. As I said there’s a reason there’s very little media on these, yet they are in full scale production right now, years anhead of schedule and one of the ADF’s largest current projects.

Theres “dozens” due to be operational in only a few months and the thought is we will build hundreds to outnumber even the Chinese Navy in pure numbers.

The issue with UAV vs air bound drones initially were exactly what you are describing, the data link in water vs satellite/air. Aussie engineers solved it though apparently.

Like how? We all have a grasp of physics right, how do you transmit a signal through kms of water?

We are building one for the US, but it’s not even been confirmed if we will export these, I doubt it, if it does prove to be an apex defense technology.

In terms of the endurance, they are packed with Mitsubishi lithium ion batteries, the same in the Japanese submarines. The sentry model, just sees them parachuted out of C17’s or dropped off the back of destroyers or frigates. They can be launched from beaches also (I.e Australias many overseas territories and islands)

You said indefinite, we all know batteries run out(even if not under power). Electric diesel subs have to run their engines pretty regularly to power up the batteries.

The launch thing I wasn't questioning

They sit fully charged with their sensors on, on the seabed or below crush depths etc and sit almost as stationless sentries armed with what we believe will be copperhead uav smart torpedos. It’s possible some mission module noses could contain air drones etc also.

Sensors on so batteries on? Depends how big the batteries(even if huge). Maybe some months while still having energy to power up, surface and launch

In the event of conflict or defensive actions that can be activated, surface and defend/attack. They only have to surface a few times a year to recharge batteries and then can move to a slightly different location if detected. They sit in depths below virtually all radar and sonar technology on most Moderna subs and surface vessels. Batteries aren’t never ending obviously, however in the context of defending over periods of time, they can sit there for years and can be replaced on mass very very quickly.

Charged by what? if the batteries are the size that can last months/years then it will take days to recharge them

On scale these are only likely to cost in the vacinity of $10m each + the armament costs which are a few million per sub. It’s quite possible we deploy hundreds in choke points in the Timor Sea, Arafura Sea, Pacific, South China Sea exist points etc etc.

It’s a game changer for the Australian Navy and in warfare in general, given the relative cost and time for nations to build carriers and destroyers.

Honestly, this reads like press release for a rubbish company

It might render amphibious invasions near impossible in the future. Coast lines will be too well protected

Heavy radar, Fighters, anti ship missiles do all this stuff better. Like a cool side product that might be effective, but I hope you're not in charge

 

[peetoo]

Even if there was the best military tech ever, it’s not going to be limited to one country. Arms vendors will see to that

We saw the problem with nuclear arms proliferation

The best way to be secure is as the Canadian PM said, be more self sufficient as a country

Australia could be, but policy sees us go the other way