Chris Dawes

[L_W_P]

Damien Barrett said on the Footy Show tonight that he is out of contract and clubs are working out finances to put big $$ deals in front of him. Travis Cloke was on the panel and admitted he could just about double his wage if he left but the club was hopeful he would sign on to continue their winning culture.

He is 23. I would assume he'd be on 200k-250k. Probably looking at 450k-500k per year on a 3/4 year deal to get him over. With Baker (who is on a decent wicket) likely to go, and with Roo on the vets list, we will free up somewhere around 600k to lure a player.

Then there is the matter of what the Pies would want in a trade with NO chance of getting him in the draft or PSD it could be expensive BUT he could be exactly what we need.

Ross said that with over half a mil to play with he would be going hard for a talented key forward to help Roo. Are we interested in Dawes?

 

[Ducky Tie]

Damien Barrett said on the Footy Show tonight that he is out of contract and clubs are working out finances to put big $$ deals in front of him. Travis Cloke was on the panel and admitted he could just about double his wage if he left but the club was hopeful he would sign on to continue their winning culture.

He is 23. I would assume he'd be on 200k-250k. Probably looking at 450k-500k per year on a 3/4 year deal to get him over. With Baker (who is on a decent wicket) likely to go, and with Roo on the vets list, we will free up somewhere around 600k to lure a player.

Then there is the matter of what the Pies would want in a trade with NO chance of getting him in the draft or PSD it could be expensive BUT he could be exactly what we need.

Ross said that with over half a mil to play with he would be going hard for a talented key forward to help Roo. Are we interested in Dawes?

How much money would be spare if Gardi and Blake retire?

 

[SA1NTER]

Damien Barrett said on the Footy Show tonight that he is out of contract and clubs are working out finances to put big $$ deals in front of him. Travis Cloke was on the panel and admitted he could just about double his wage if he left but the club was hopeful he would sign on to continue their winning culture.

Premiership or not, their culture is not something they should be proud of.

 

[KissStephanie]

If St.Kilda had accepted Collingwood's offer of Sharrod Wellingham and pick #30 for Luke Ball, then they could have used that pick on Sam Reid who has been promising for Sydney and has received a rising star nomination this season. However, it takes a lot for players to leave a club they're happy at, and I don't think Chris Dawes will be paid enough more than he is getting now to leave, particularly when there is a premiership bond.

 

[Highlander35]

flogging a dead horse coz I'm a boganwood ****.

However, it takes a lot for players to leave a club they're happy at, and I don't think Chris Dawes will be paid enough more than he is getting now to leave, particularly when there is a premiership bond.

Fixed the first part.

I surprisingly agree with you for the 2nd. Dawes seems happy, and won't leave.

 

[KissStephanie]

Fixed the first part.

You didn't fix my opinion though. You just gave your inaccurate personal opinion of me. I have my opinion on the topic though, which isn't going to change whether or not you make things up, deface my post, or misquote me. It has been confirmed by numerous sources in recent times too, and I also do think Sam Reid would have been a great selection.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

You didn't fix my opinion though. You just gave your inaccurate personal opinion of me. I have my opinion on the topic though, which isn't going to change whether or not you make things up, deface my post, or misquote me. It has been confirmed by numerous sources in recent times too, and I also do think Sam Reid would have been a great selection.

It has been confirmed by a plethora of sources that St.Kilda was never offered Wellingham as part of a deal for Ball. Please leave and never return here.

 

[KissStephanie]

It has been confirmed by a plethora of sources that St.Kilda was never offered Wellingham as part of a deal for Ball. Please leave and never return here.

This thread is regarding a required Collingwood player, and I intend to post within board guidelines. I have also yet to see a single source that disputes my opinion that Sharrod Wellingham and pick 30 was offered to St.Kilda for Luke Ball as confirmed in this article, and regularly on TV this season as well.

 

[Sir Robert]

This thread is regarding a required Collingwood player, and I intend to post within board guidelines. I have also yet to see a single source that disputes my opinion that Sharrod Wellingham and pick 30 was offered to St.Kilda for Luke Ball as confirmed in this article, and regularly on TV this season as well.

Cuts me deep KS to agree with you as u epitomize 1 eyed Collingwood supporters, however Wellingham would surely have been worth 1 point in the first gf.

Unfortunately none of us can really confirm what was offered and we all know the media in melbs have a licence to print whatever shit they dream up.

Either way hard to dispute Dawes would fit in any 22. Initially I thought he was a spud but he's overtaken Roughead as No 1 gorilla forward. Current day G Train. Grow a mullet son.

We only really have backmen to deal in for a trade. Got no fwd/midfield stocks. Maybe a lowish 1st round pick as I can't see us winning 7 from our remaining games given we've won stuff all to date. Not sure if we can afford to trade picks tho.

 

[DalSainter]

If St.Kilda had accepted Collingwood's offer of Sharrod Wellingham and pick #30 for Luke Ball, then they could have used that pick on Sam Reid who has been promising for Sydney and has received a rising star nomination this season. However, it takes a lot for players to leave a club they're happy at, and I don't think Chris Dawes will be paid enough more than he is getting now to leave, particularly when there is a premiership bond.

is that really her pic? if so, she's no good for a blow job in the dark!!

 

[One 2 Roo]

I am soooo over this Luke Ball shit, yes he has turned into a good player and yes he left and won a flag. Well done Luke, congratulations, but please no more debate as who wanted what at draft time. The only thing that is clear is that we did not want Luke Ball and Luke did not want to stay- so he left.

As for the OP, I tink RL and the crew should have a massive crack at Dawes, he is exactly what we need. Throw some big coin at him, put together a decent trade option and get it done.

 

[Squizz]

This thread is regarding a required Collingwood player, and I intend to post within board guidelines. I have also yet to see a single source that disputes my opinion that Sharrod Wellingham and pick 30 was offered to St.Kilda for Luke Ball as confirmed in this article, and regularly on TV this season as well.

Isn't it great how a lie can get out of control? Many journalists have been guilty with running with absolute rubbish this year. Your pathetic twatwaffle BF "career" has revolved around it.

You have shown no appreciation for how negotiations work. Club A does not sit down with Club Filth and go through every player on the list. North wanted Wellingham for their own reasons. We sought Goldsack + 30 (but Collingwooood _ucked around with the Jolly deal all week and we lost interest after getting another "player") and then Nathan Brown (with some interest in Brad Dick and Blight).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/luke-ball-still-up-in-air/story-e6frf9io-1225784579357

Lyon said it was a dispute over draft picks that left the deal unresolved.

"We just couldn't get a deal done in the end. It was 25 and 62 on the table, we were unlikely to use 62 (in the draft) and in our view 25 wasn't going to get Luke Ball done - we didn't think that was an equitable trade, so we stood our ground."

Collingwood attempted to snare pick 25 from North Melbourne to satisfy the Saints.

The Magpies' Sharrod Wellingham had been touted as trade bait for the Roos, who netted picked 25 in trading Josh Gibson to Hawthorn.

It is believed St Kilda would then have been keen to offload pick 25 to the Western Bulldogs for Andrejs Everitt.

In effect that would have meant the Saints giving up Ball for Everitt.

But Everitt is now to remain a Bulldog, with the club late last night taking him off the trade table, seemingly not content with pick 25 and only half-hearted from the outset in seeking to trade him anyway.

St Kilda has also asked Collingwood to consider using defender Tyson Goldsack as leverage on a Ball deal.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/saints-star-may-walk-for-nothing/2009/10/09/1255019612835.html

Ball's only hope of still getting to Collingwood now would require a novel arrangement such as Collingwood making significant room in their salary cap for the coming years and for Ball to nominate at prohibitive terms - up to a million dollars for the first year - so that other clubs by-pass him in the national draft and he gets through to Collingwood at 30.

''In stating the obvious we couldn't satisfy the Saints, there were a number of deals in play or on the table but in the end couldn't be completed,'' Collingwood football manager Geoff Walsh said.

''We were hamstrung in terms of our picks, we completed a deal earlier in the week for Darren Jolly, the players mentioned (by St Kilda as possible trades) weren't in any way entertained by us so there in lies the stalemate.''


Lyon tried to head off the lies:

"Lyon said Ball spoke with Saints officials for about 20 minutes before the trade deadline for an update on negotiations. 'We painted the picture of the week, what had unfolded, to make sure it was clear in his eyes what discussions had or hadn't taken place' "

 

[Squizz]

The only thing that is clear is that we did not want Luke Ball

The Luke Ball "thing" keeps going because too many people are telling porkies about it!

I believe Lyon on this one, and I think we've seen enough from him to suggest he doesn't get into the spin-doctoring and lies like some other clubs.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...ielder-luke-ball/story-e6frf3e3-1225785156760

"He's a respected figure, all year we've wanted to retain Luke.

"What Luke needs to do is go away and assess what he wants to do.

"There are clear, evident options which is come back to St Kilda and train and deliver the actions that get you selected in the senior team or go into the pre-season draft and take your chances."

 

[Squizz]

And what's all this horseshit about Sam Reid.

1. He's not the "power forward" we need.

2. We had pick #32 regardless of the Luke Ball failed trade (and Reid went at #38).

 

[KissStephanie]

Cuts me deep KS to agree with you as u epitomize 1 eyed Collingwood supporters, however Wellingham would surely have been worth 1 point in the first gf. Unfortunately none of us can really confirm what was offered and we all know the media in melbs have a licence to print whatever shit they dream up.

I absolutely love my club. Always have. I don't have a second favourite team, and I only want other teams to win against other teams when it benefits Collingwood. That said, I am not as one-eyed in person as I may appear at times in text. I think many people unfairly attack Collingwood on a number of issues which can often bring out my best. Collingwood have been unfairly criticised by some for not offering much for Luke Ball for example, but I have no doubt the offers were extremely fair, and I am quite sure the offer I have mentioned occurred well before it appeared in that article.

Either way hard to dispute Dawes would fit in any 22. Initially I thought he was a spud but he's overtaken Roughead as No 1 gorilla forward. Current day G Train. Grow a mullet son.

At this stage, he is the perfect second tall option. He compliments Travis Cloke extremely well and is also capable of taking on the main forward target at times when needed.

We only really have backmen to deal in for a trade. Got no fwd/midfield stocks. Maybe a lowish 1st round pick as I can't see us winning 7 from our remaining games given we've won stuff all to date. Not sure if we can afford to trade picks tho.

Many clubs need to hang on to first round draft picks this year.

 

[Squizz]

Back on topic, I guess it's disappointing that Woody Allen had such a serious injury as he was exactly what we are calling for now. Was already showing a bit at 20yo.

Whilst I'm happy for the Saints to bid up Dawes' price, you would have thought GWS would be able to provide an offer far superior (if money was a motivating factor for him, which I'm not sure it is).

Surely we'd try and fix the ruck situation first, as the lack of quality/quick ball into F50 is hurting us much more than the lack of a power forward. If we had another mobile ruck option, Macca could spend more time up forward anyway.

If we'd actually tried Stanley and Archer in a key forward post (and it hadn't worked) then fair enough. But they are playing in the ruck when they should have already had a bunch of games under their belt running out of the goalsquare.

We can talk about power forwards, but we've hardly had any marking forwards this year. Riewoldt has been working further up the ground. Kosi has been injured and not been in form. We seem to be banking on a 184cm Gamble and the towering Armitage.

Not sure what is wrong with having a set-up of 5 mobile marking forwards (Riewoldt, Gamble, Siposs, Goddard and Stanley/Cahill/Archer/Lynch/Johnson) and an in-form crumber (Milne, Schneider, Cripps, Steven).

Or we could have just recruited Pods like I said years ago.

 

[The Punter]

Yes, Squizz, back on topic.

We can't change the past any more than we can change the fact that female Collingwood supporters from New York get gratification from making other people feel terrible. Look at the last few posts from my blog post about Luke Ball.

Dawes would be ideal, and should be investigated, but as always, it will be tough, especially with GWS and their money flooding the market and overvaluing players.

 

[LordJimmy]

Where are the mods? It's time to start handing out cards to everyone who touts that Sharod Wellingham bullshit. Steph, if you don't have anything productive to contribute, go away.

 

[KissStephanie]

We can't change the past any more than we can change the fact that female Collingwood supporters from New York get gratification from making other people feel terrible. Look at the last few posts from my blog post about Luke Ball.

I don't get gratification from that, and nor have I ever said such a thing. This is a thread regarding a required Collingwood player otherwise I would not be posting at all. I just firmly believe St.Kilda should have selected Sam Reid in 2009 which they would have been able to do if they had accepted Collingwood's offer.

Dawes would be ideal, and should be investigated, but as always, it will be tough, especially with GWS and their money flooding the market and overvaluing players.

I think all of Collingwood's current premiership players will stay and play under Nathan Buckley next season.

 

[The Punter]

KS, you posted a comment on my Luke Ball blog of nothing but pictures of Luke Ball celebrating last year's premiership. That's not proving a point, that's attempting to make someone else feel like crap. If you don't get gratification from that, then I have no idea why you did it. You obviously get gratification from saying the same thing over and over again. Everyone around here knows where you stand and what you believe, so your posts in this particular thread are superfluous, as well as being largely irrelevant as they hold no weight to what St Kilda needs to do from now on, rather than what should have happened in the past according to some people.

 

[goodie23]

KS, you posted a comment on my Luke Ball blog of nothing but pictures of Luke Ball celebrating last year's premiership. That's not proving a point, that's attempting to make someone else feel like crap. If you don't get gratification from that, then I have no idea why you did it. You obviously get gratification from saying the same thing over and over again. Everyone around here knows where you stand and what you believe, so your posts in this particular thread are superfluous, as well as being largely irrelevant as they hold no weight to what St Kilda needs to do from now on, rather than what should have happened in the past according to some people.

Textbook trolling. I say we just ignore the numpty until a mod gives her/him/it a good long holiday.

Don't mind Dawes based on what little I've seen, was at the same school, never saw him but his older brother had a bit of talent. Of course the big stumbling block would be trying to do a deal with Verminwood. Theoretically Buckley might be more reasonable, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Better to wait until we know what draft picks we have to play with, who's still out of contract and how deep the draft goes.

 

[KissStephanie]

KS, you posted a comment on my Luke Ball blog of nothing but pictures of Luke Ball celebrating last year's premiership. That's not proving a point, that's attempting to make someone else feel like crap.

I did not just post such photos. That's not true. It was a thread questioning the loyalty and honesty of my favourite Collingwood player, and I did not violate any guidelines. I am not doing that here because that would be inappropriate.

If you don't get gratification from that, then I have no idea why you did it. You obviously get gratification from saying the same thing over and over again.

Of course I'm grateful that Luke Ball is a Collingwood player, but that does not mean in the slightest that I'm grateful the trade failed and the way he ended up at Collingwood. I was very disappointed when the trade collapsed at the time.

Everyone around here knows where you stand and what you believe, so your posts in this particular thread are superfluous, as well as being largely irrelevant as they hold no weight to what St Kilda needs to do from now on, rather than what should have happened in the past according to some people.

It's fair that you say that looking back does not solve any clubs needs, but I don't believe that Chris Dawes is likely to leave and he is certainly a required Collingwood player. I also believe that Collingwood has more available in their salary cap than St.Kilda does, so I don't think they will be attempting to recruit an established key forward from an opposition club at the end of this season.

 

[krusden]

Surely we'd try and fix the ruck situation first, as the lack of quality/quick ball into F50 is hurting us much more than the lack of a power forward. If we had another mobile ruck option, Macca could spend more time up forward anyway.

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STAYING ON TOPIC

Whats the point of getting a dawes as a "power forward" and still having the ruck situation unresolved. I 100% agree with you here Squizz.

If dawes was used as a pich hitting ruck then id say yes, but they use brown obviously so dawes is a no - he wouldnt fix anything.

Surely we must seek a forward with ruck options such as jesse white or somesuch. **** me, even The Manchild tomahawk would solve more issues and fill more holes than Dawes.

 

[goodie23]

STAYING ON TOPIC

Whats the point of getting a dawes as a "power forward" and still having the ruck situation unresolved. I 100% agree with you here Squizz.

If dawes was used as a pich hitting ruck then id say yes, but they use brown obviously so dawes is a no - he wouldnt fix anything.

Surely we must seek a forward with ruck options such as jesse white or somesuch. **** me, even The Manchild tomahawk would solve more issues and fill more holes than Dawes.

Like the idea of getting White and we have a good record of dealing with Sydney. Another option is to chase someone like Simpson at Geelong and get Big Ben to rotate between ruck and forward. Why not? Great contested mark, good steady kick for goal.

 

[krusden]

Like the idea of getting White and we have a good record of dealing with Sydney. Another option is to chase someone like Simpson at Geelong and get Big Ben to rotate between ruck and forward. Why not? Great contested mark, good steady kick for goal.

agree totally.

I'd say Big ben could be the most important player in the team very soon certainly with this idea. He's a bloody good kick and would ( i think) be happy with some help. sort of like, as i mentioned, the jolly/brown the Filth setup has.
Im sure there's the odd player/pick that we could deal with the swans to make something like this happen.

Not mark blake though. just putting this out there.