Chris Dawes

[Bugglz]

Actually Dawes had very similar numbers to Lachlan Henderson last year, who is nearly 2 years younger, was in his first year with a new club and lumped with quite a load in a less structured team and forward line; and Hendo is considered a spud on BF.

Haha only on BigFooty would someone compare Dawes to Henderson :roll eyes:

Dawes is no superstar, but he looks like one next to Henderson!

 

[jknothimjustafan]

Carlton would have to go very very hard for him wouldn't they. May not be a superstar but put him at ff and hendo at chf and they at least have some sort of forward structure. It will also allow Waite to play CHB and allow Kruze to play as a ruckman which is the position he is best at.

Not sure what they would give up though.

Rob Wornock and a draft pick?

Carton still have 2 other ruckman on the list. Collingwood get a helper for Jolly/a replacement when he retires.

 

[Blues_Man]

Carlton would have to go very very hard for him wouldn't they. May not be a superstar but put him at ff and hendo at chf and they at least have some sort of forward structure. It will also allow Waite to play CHB and allow Kruze to play as a ruckman which is the position he is best at.

Not sure what they would give up though.

Rob Wornock and a draft pick?

Carton still have 2 other ruckman on the list. Collingwood get a helper for Jolly/a replacement when he retires.

Not a snowballs chance in Hell

 

[blaze036]

Melbourne would have to give pick 12 and something else for Dawes. His worth more to collingwood than he would to other clubs with our structure so you'd probably have to pay over market value to get him.

 

[Demonheart]

Melbourne would have to give pick 12 and something else for Dawes. His worth more to collingwood than he would to other clubs with our structure so you'd probably have to pay over market value to get him.

I'd like him at Melbourne and from memory we did chase him a couple of seasons ago. He'd be a good fit as our FF and would take a lot of pressure off Jurrah and Watts.

But, pick 12 only imo.

Neeld has already stated that he'll be looking at bringing players in to fill our gaps so it will be interestign to see if Dawes is someone they target.

 

[mdc]

I'd like him at Melbourne and from memory we did chase him a couple of seasons ago. He'd be a good fit as our FF and would take a lot of pressure off Jurrah and Watts.

But, pick 12 only imo.

Neeld has already stated that he'll be looking at bringing players in to fill our gaps so it will be interestign to see if Dawes is someone they target.

Once again, it needs to re-iterated that Dawes is not a FF. He's a classic lead-up CHF who occasionally has to play deeper because of overlapping skillsets with Cloke.

If you're after a FF, there are better prospects out there.

 

[gotassieboys]

No way the Pies would let a big unit like Dawes leave.

Would be interested on who Collingwood will move on this year with FIGJAM to be the big cheese in charge.

 

[Demonheart]

Once again, it needs to re-iterated that Dawes is not a FF. He's a classic lead-up CHF who occasionally has to play deeper because of overlapping skillsets with Cloke.

If you're after a FF, there are better prospects out there.

You're right, but sadly we need a big bodied player at FF and CHF

 

[Monkey King]

Carlton would have to go very very hard for him wouldn't they. May not be a superstar but put him at ff and hendo at chf and they at least have some sort of forward structure. It will also allow Waite to play CHB and allow Kruze to play as a ruckman which is the position he is best at.

Not sure what they would give up though.

Rob Wornock and a draft pick?

Personally I'm a big NO to Dawes. He goes alright in a highly structured team with a role to play, but he's not going to be what Carlton need most up forward. If he came cheaply I'd be tempted, but he's not going to come cheaply, as you trade suggestion implies.

As for Warnock, you'd have to mad. Without that bloke, Carlton wouldn't have even had a ruckman during the finals. Nope, the Blues have worked hard on getting a decent ruck group together and have already lost Jacobs for next to nothing.

Haha only on BigFooty would someone compare Dawes to Henderson :roll eyes:

Dawes is no superstar, but he looks like one next to Henderson!

This perception running contrary to the numbers was my point exactly.

 

[mdc]

Personally I'm a big NO to Dawes. He goes alright in a highly structured team with a role to play, but he's not going to be what Carlton need most up forward. If he came cheaply I'd be tempted, but he's not going to come cheaply, as you trade suggestion implies.

As for Warnock, you'd have to mad. Without that bloke, Carlton wouldn't have even had a ruckman during the finals. Nope, the Blues have worked hard on getting a decent ruck group together and have already lost Jacobs for next to nothing.

Dawes has an uncanny knack for creating great opportunities for crumbers (through taps etc that don't register on the stat sheet), and Carlton have the best crumbers in the league, so from a Pies POV Carlton is pretty much the worst case scenario for Dawes (without even considering the rivalry).

That said, I wouldn't be giving up Warnock in a hurry either. Very underrated ruckman, even by your own supporters. Especially since your back-ups right now are Kreuzer (good but injury-prone) and Hampson (potato).

 

[Diesel Power]

Pretty sure I heard Greg Swann on SEN today say that Carlton are not chasing him because he's not leaving and the blues didn't want to waste their time.

 

[Silvagnis]

That said, I wouldn't be giving up Warnock in a hurry either. Very underrated ruckman, even by your own supporters. Especially since your back-ups right now are Kreuzer (good but injury-prone) and Hampson (potato).

Hampson isn't a potato like Wood or a potential potato like Ceglar and Witts. It might pay to watch some of his games. You rated him higher than the likes of Goldstein, Sellar, Riewoldt, Tippett, Frawley and Dawes in 2006. DaveTheMan/TradeDraft started a thread to discuss this on your board.

 

[Gezim]

Pretty sure I heard Greg Swann on SEN today say that Carlton are not chasing him because he's not leaving and the blues didn't want to waste their time.

so who is he chasing then if not dawes

 

[TheVelourFog]

Hampson isn't a potato like Wood or a potential potato like Ceglar and Witts. It might pay to watch some of his games. You rated him higher than Dawes in 2006.

So? Since 2006 Dawes has actually gone on to become a very good player in a premiership side. Hampsons biggest achievement is occasionally playing a good game.

 

[DTShowtime]

If TheGeneral writes you off, you can pretty much make it certain that he'll be a gun. He wrote off Ben Reid, you know how that turned out. He rated McLean when he was traded to Carlton, you know how that worked out.

 

[Silvagnis]

Haha only on BigFooty would someone compare Dawes to Henderson :roll eyes:

Dawes is no superstar, but he looks like one next to Henderson!

Henderson is no superstar, but he'd look like one next to your captain who has gone backwards.

Dawes would drop as many as Hampson with the way our midfield delivered it last week. Both grassed pack marks with two grab efforts the first time Carlton played Collingwood this year. Isn't the one grab player that our forwardline needs for a bail out kick. Waite and Kreuzer have better hands and mobility.

Personally I'm a big NO to Dawes. He goes alright in a highly structured team with a role to play, but he's not going to be what Carlton need most up forward. If he came cheaply I'd be tempted, but he's not going to come cheaply, as you trade suggestion implies.

Overrated like every good ordinary Collingwood player who is more than a spud playing a role like L.Brown and Toovey. Not worth the price this recalcitrant club would demand in a trade. Rather we put the money into getting Mitchell healthy to play out of the square. 198 cm beast who is capable of taking a contested mark.

 

[Bugglz]

Henderson is no superstar, but he'd look like one next to your captain who has gone backwards.

Dawes would drop as many as Hampson with the way our midfield delivered it last week. Both grassed pack marks with two grab efforts the first time Carlton played Collingwood this year. Isn't the one grab player that our forwardline needs for a bail out kick. Waite and Kreuzer have better hands and mobility.

Overrated like every good ordinary Collingwood player who is more than a spud playing a role like L.Brown and Toovey. Not worth the price this recalcitrant club would demand in a trade. Rather we put the money into getting Mitchell healthy to play out of the square. 198 cm beast who is capable of taking a contested mark.

Sorry I thought this was a thread about Chris Dawes :roll eyes:

Dawes is never going to be a monster contested marker, is is actually a pretty good contested marker when his confidence is up but he'll never be in the same ballpark as Cloke, roo, Jon Brown etc. Saying that, you don't needed to be a fantastic contested mark to be a good forward. Look at Buddy for example, one of the best forwards in the game but struggles in a contested marking contest. What makes Buddy, and to a lesser extent Dawes, is their aerobic capacity and there ability when the ball hits the deck.

But back to the topic, Dawes won't be traded as no other club would be willing to offer enough to Collingwood to get the deal done.

 

[w00dy]

But back to the topic, Dawes won't be traded as no other club would be willing to offer enough to Collingwood to get the deal done.

many have missed the point, he's out of contract and if the pies can't pay him enough, then he may want to leave... The Pies wouldn't have much choice but to trade him in that situation, for whatever a club is willing to offer...

Most likely the Pies will sign him, but with the other great players in that side, the money has to come from somewhere (inside the salary cap), and if they can't find enough of it, he may want to leave...

And if that's the case, I hope the Dees are ready to pounce, and Gary Lyon's reaction on Thursday night would seem they are. After watching him last night would love to have him in the red and blue...

 

[Bugglz]

many have missed the point, he's out of contract and if the pies can't pay him enough, then he may want to leave... The Pies wouldn't have much choice but to trade him in that situation, for whatever a club is willing to offer...

Most likely the Pies will sign him, but with the other great players in that side, the money has to come from somewhere (inside the salary cap), and if they can't find enough of it, he may want to leave...

And if that's the case, I hope the Dees are ready to pounce, and Gary Lyon's reaction on Thursday night would seem they are. After watching him last night would love to have him in the red and blue...

Sorry mate but he hasn't even hinted that he wants to leave, in fact he has stated many times his intention to stay!

And it is nothing more then a myth that a player will get traded for less then market value just because a club is tight on cap space, when does this ever happen???

And of all the players on Collingwoods list why one earth would they want to get rid of a quality young KPF just to free up cap space??? Good KPF's are the hardest players to find and its the one area that Collingwood is lacking in. It just makes no sense!

If Collingwood really needed to free up some space (which would be needed if Dawes wanted a significant pay rise) they would give Davis or Johnson the tap on the shoulder, or look to offload someone like Didak who would be on a bit of coin. They wouldn't trade away one of there more important players for under his market value!

If any club (bar GWS want Dawes) they will need to make an offer that Collingwood simply can't refuse

 

[w00dy]

Sorry mate but he hasn't even hinted that he wants to leave, in fact he has stated many times his intention to stay!

Well you've got nothing to worry about then...

And it is nothing more then a myth that a player will get traded for less then market value just because a club is tight on cap space, when does this ever happen???

Agreed. If he is traded it will be at market value, but will market value satisfy Collingwood? Not necessarily. Market value, as many have said would be a first rounder, somewhere between 8-15 with perhaps a fringe player on top. Given the Pies are challenging for flags, I'm not sure how interested they'll be in draft picks, but this doesn't mean they're not market value.

And of all the players on Collingwoods list why one earth would they want to get rid of a quality young KPF just to free up cap space??? Good KPF's are the hardest players to find and its the one area that Collingwood is lacking in. It just makes no sense!

I agree, but if money wasn't an issue, and he wants to stay as you say, then I imagine he would've signed already.

If Collingwood really needed to free up some space (which would be needed if Dawes wanted a significant pay rise) they would give Davis or Johnson the tap on the shoulder, or look to offload someone like Didak who would be on a bit of coin. They wouldn't trade away one of there more important players for under his market value!

Well it may come to that if you want to keep him, but that's a call that remains to be made. You will trade him for his market value, not doubting that. But doesn't mean the Pies will be completely satisfied with the trade.

If any club (bar GWS want Dawes) they will need to make an offer that Collingwood simply can't refuse

Not necessarily. Situation could go something like this:

Dawes asks Pies for $400,000 per year
Pies offer $250,000 per year
Dawes says I want to stay but I need more, ClubA will pay me $400,000 to go there
Pies say we can't offer any more
Dawes says please trade me to ClubA

in this situation Collingwood would have to accept a reasonable offer for Dawes... they're unlikely to get an offer they simply can't refuse...

but if he wants to stay as much as you say, and you can find the cash to pay him, then you've got nothing to worry about...

 

[Obeanie1]

Sorry mate but he hasn't even hinted that he wants to leave, in fact he has stated many times his intention to stay!

And it is nothing more then a myth that a player will get traded for less then market value just because a club is tight on cap space, when does this ever happen???

And of all the players on Collingwoods list why one earth would they want to get rid of a quality young KPF just to free up cap space??? Good KPF's are the hardest players to find and its the one area that Collingwood is lacking in. It just makes no sense!

If Collingwood really needed to free up some space (which would be needed if Dawes wanted a significant pay rise) they would give Davis or Johnson the tap on the shoulder, or look to offload someone like Didak who would be on a bit of coin. They wouldn't trade away one of there more important players for under his market value!

If any club (bar GWS want Dawes) they will need to make an offer that Collingwood simply can't refuse

Agree with this, but Didak is a vet next year so half of his coin is excluded from the cap.

So what other players would the Pies move on before Dawes to free up cap space? This is interesting, IMO they would include:

1. Leon back to WA - win / win
2. Sure Johnson wouldn't be missed greatly
3. Blair - in a battle with Fasolo
4. Goldsack - O'Brien / Maxwell similar types
5. Wellingham - 6th - 7th midfielder
6. Jolly could be close to retirement anyway based on his knee troubles this year

The problem the Pies have is re-signing Dawes this year plus having the money available to re-sign Pendlebury, T Cloke, Fasolo and H Shaw next year.
Its a two year problem not just a one year issue.

 

[Bugglz]

Not necessarily. Situation could go something like this:

Dawes asks Pies for $400,000 per year
Pies offer $250,000 per year
Dawes says I want to stay but I need more, ClubA will pay me $400,000 to go there
Pies say we can't offer any more
Dawes says please trade me to ClubA

in this situation Collingwood would have to accept a reasonable offer for Dawes... they're unlikely to get an offer they simply can't refuse...

but if he wants to stay as much as you say, and you can find the cash to pay him, then you've got nothing to worry about...

Since when can players nominate which club they go to? Clubs don't get bullied into trading players for less then their value, it just doesn't happen!

If Dawes was that unhappy with his pay at Collingwood then he would put a price on his head and go into the pre-season draft and end up at GWS. There is no way I can see this happening tho.

Look at the Luke Ball deal, clubs would rather take the risk of their players walking then risk looking soft at the trade table and being held ransom.

Dawes isn't going anywhere unless Collingwood come out on top in the trade, if you think you are somehow going to pick him up cheap then you are dreaming!

Agree with this, but Didak is a vet next year so half of his coin is excluded from the cap.

So what other players would the Pies move on before Dawes to free up cap space? This is interesting, IMO they would include:
Leon back to WA - win / win
Sure Johnson wouldn't be missed greatly
Blair - in a battle with Fasolo
Goldsack - O'Brien / Maxwell similar types
Wellingham - 6th - 7th midfielder
Jolly could be close to retirement anyway based on his knee troubles this year
The problem the Pies have is re-signing Dawes this year plus having the money available to re-sign Pendlebury, T Cloke, Fasolo and H Shaw next year.
Its a two year problem not just a one year issue.

Blair and Goldsack wouldn't be on big coin, although we will probably loose a fringe player or two over the next couple of year as they look for more opportunity elsewhere.

With Leon, BJ and Jolly to retire this year or next and Didak and Swan to qualify as veterans soon I don't think the Pie's are in as much trouble as everyone here wants to believe.

It is quite possible that the Pie's will lose a star player in the next few years but you can bet that we won't be losing them cheaply!

 

[Balony_pony16]

isnt Luke ball playing for peanuts this season after getting over paid last season in his deal to land at the pies?

his increase in salary next season would also affect the pies in losing a quality player

 

[Bugglz]

isnt Luke ball playing for peanuts this season after getting over paid last season in his deal to land at the pies?

his increase in salary next season would also affect the pies in losing a quality player

i believe its next season that he will be "playing for peanuts", but you would think he would be in for a decent pay rise the year after that.

Although none of this has anything to do with Chris Dawes. The Pie's have a lot of talent on their list so of course they'll be running close to the cap, all quality teams face the same problem. And so yes they might struggle to keep some of that quality but at the end of that day it will be Collingwoods choice who they ship off (if they need to) and for what price, and Chris Dawes would be very low on that list.

 

[Demonheart]

Since when can players nominate which club they go to? Clubs don't get bullied into trading players for less then their value, it just doesn't happen!

If Dawes was that unhappy with his pay at Collingwood then he would put a price on his head and go into the pre-season draft and end up at GWS. There is no way I can see this happening tho.

Not if GWS intend to take another Collingwood player next year, they can only take one player like that.