Chris Johnson > Ireland!

[mr_cellotape]

Ok then, show me 1 single cheap shot caught on camera. Just 1.

'Cheap shot' may not be the correct term, but your guys certainly weren't innocent victims. Just take a look at the youtube video linked in the first post:

0:12 - No. 5 tries to start McLeod. Aussie players come to his defense.

0:34 - No. 11 tackles Lovett without the ball, and proceeds to wrestle him on the ground. Lovett is, justifiably, not impressed.

0:43 - No. 17 trips Milburn over, and rightly gets his comeuppance.

Just 3 of the many incidents which happened during that game that, if they happened in the AFL, the result would have been the same (except that the guy getting pummeled wouldn't lie motionless on the ground afterwards).

Don't set fire to sleeping giants, and you won't get hurt.

 

[gaelictiogar]

it wasnt a fair fight was it? CJ is an angry man. perhaps jeff farmer will step in this year and take the mantle of crazy psycho taking them all on.

seriously, the coathangers weren't great to see. fair tackles with a bit of spice in them are all good. its a natural part of our game, but the irish took exception hence wanted to go on with it.

anyway, lets beat them on the scoreboard and then see what excuses are laid this time. usually the amateurs v professionals rears its head.

Given that amateur Ireland have as many series wins as professional Australia I think they can hold their heads up.

I am of Irish background and take exception to the Irish being described as ponces. Along with the Scots they are probably the greatest small nation on Earth. Who else with a few million ppl have done what they have done? Even in sport who else from Europe have come to take the melbourne cup but the Irish?

Lay off the Irish.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

All valid points but before i admit austrailia is better i demand an official apology for Home & Away & Neighbours and the immediate cancellation of such rubbish.

You need Home and Away and Neighbours coz the quality of your own stuff is so crap - Fair City, bachelor's Walk etc.

But Dublin pw3nz any Australian city = perfect pints of Guinness served by Eastern European models.

 

[premier]

Pfft, not really. Sounded more like a bunch of whiny hyperbole.

Fact: Irish players tried to put the Aussies off their game by engaging in lame cheap shots and late tackles.

How is it a fact ? Show me 1 single incident, just 1. Apparently the Irish were doing this for the whole game annoying the hell out of the Aussies, so if they were show me a single incident caught on camera. Its IMPOSSIBLE for so many such incidents as are being claimed to take place and NOT be caught on camera.

How did the cameras, the commentators AND the umpires miss it ?

Fact: The Aussie weren't happy about this, and gave the Irish exactly what they deserved for trying such crap.

Like ? show me an incident where an Irish guy got what he deserved for trying the cheap shot crap.

The only guy on that Irish team I feel sorry for is the guy whose head Johnno almost took off. Other than that, to a man they got exactly what they had coming to them.

How can we have got what was coming to us when you can't point out a single incident where we did any of these "cheap" shots and you haven't said what you mean by "cheap shots" ?

How were the 2 Irish guys coming in after Johnson clothes lined Jordan getting what they deserved ? They were surrounded and held by other aussie players while Johnson could do what he wanted.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Given that amateur Ireland have as many series wins as professional Australia I think they can hold their heads up.

I am of Irish background and take exception to the Irish being described as ponces. Along with the Scots they are probably the greatest small nation on Earth. Who else with a few million ppl have done what they have done? Even in sport who else from Europe have come to take the melbourne cup but the Irish?

Lay off the Irish.

The Irish are better than the Scots (and I live in Scotland and have lived in Ireland) for two major reasons -

1 - they got most of their country - 26 of 32 counties - back off the Brits while the Scots still haven't.

2 - The Irish have kept their language flourishing while Scots Gaelic is dying.

 

[premier]

'Cheap shot' may not be the correct term, but your guys certainly weren't innocent victims. Just take a look at the youtube video linked in the first post:

I never said we were innocent victims, i was asking what are these "cheap shots" your talking about and why people here think all of the incidents were caused by us.

0:12 - No. 5 tries to start McLeod. Aussie players come to his defense.

Firstly we don't see what happens immedietly prior to this but we do see the irish player pushed McLeod. Is that a "cheap shot" ? I fail to see how thats even an "incident".

0:34 - No. 11 tackles Lovett without the ball, and proceeds to wrestle him on the ground. Lovett is, justifiably, not impressed.

What are you talking about ? he had the ball when he tackled him. The ball was released after the tackle was made. And is this a "cheap shot" ?

0:43 - No. 17 trips Milburn over, and rightly gets his comeuppance.

Its funny how you miss the push Milburn gives him just prior to him knocking Milburn over and he didn't "trip" him, he pushed him over. Is this a "cheap shot" too ?

Don't set fire to sleeping giants, and you won't get hurt.

You know it isn't that long ago when we were being accused of being the thugs mate. You have a short memory.

 

[Oh Furious One]

Chris Johnsons clothesliner was a disgrace, he could have killed Jordan quite easily with a tackle like that and if it had happened to one of your own teams in the AFL you'd feel the very same way so don't pretend that it was anything more then an act of a thug and a coward.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT!?

Killed him? Come down from the clouds, mate. Had that happened in the AFL, he would have got a few weeks and everyone would have had a laugh over it. Your player ate it, text book clothesline, IMO.

Oh and to answer your question before. I have been watching the IR series since 1998 when we got done on AG points, never missed it since it was reintroduced.

Wimps. Irish culture.

 

[Horsebox]

It's nice to have a culture though.

 

[mr_cellotape]

Premier,

I'm not going to go through your posts point by point because it's obvious that trying to convince you of the facts is simply futile. You just don't want to listen or accept that your guys did anything wrong. Fair enough, but that doesn't make you right. It's all there on film. If you want to ignore things that are fact, that's your decision.

No-one in their right mind would defend Johnno's clothesline on the Irish player. To simply ignore all the other cheap garbage that your guys went on with throughout the game is disingenuous.

 

[wonderboys]

you guys talk some nonsense. if any of you think wat johnson did was great and wonderful you need your head seeing too! if that happened in any other part off the world he'd be locked up. just a pure THUG! can,t wait to your team comes over here and get hammered at football the way its meant to be played....fair and square!!!!!!!

 

[premier]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT!?

Killed him? Come down from the clouds, mate. Had that happened in the AFL, he would have got a few weeks and everyone would have had a laugh over it. Your player ate it, text book clothesline, IMO.

Oh and to answer your question before. I have been watching the IR series since 1998 when we got done on AG points, never missed it since it was reintroduced.

Wimps. Irish culture.

Can i ask other people here if thats true ? I've watched and being watching a fair bit of AFL lately and i haven't seen a clothesliner yet.

Would Johnsons punishment be a few weeks off and everyone laughing over it ?

 

[premier]

Premier,

I'm not going to go through your posts point by point because it's obvious that trying to convince you of the facts is simply futile. You just don't want to listen or accept that your guys did anything wrong. Fair enough, but that doesn't make you right. It's all there on film. If you want to ignore things that are fact, that's your decision.

I am NOT saying our guys did nothing wrong, i'm asking for evidence of these "cheap shots", and you gave me 2 pushes and a legitimate tackle. If you read anything of what i've posted here you'd see i'm a big fan of AFL and of the show of skill by the Aussies last year. Theres no doubt in my mind that the rough horsing had absolutely no effect on the scoreboard. IF anything the Aussies would have scored more had they not being involved in the rough horsing.

My complaints are the following and only the following.

1. People applauding Chris Johnson, for god sake if it was one of your players that got done like that in any football code you'd be just as annoyed as we were. He could easily have killed Jordan. I've gotten hurls wrapped round my neck, hurls across the back of the head, into the face etc but that was just a cowardly act of a thug. I wouldn't do something like that to my worst enemy, jumping off the ground and swinging your arm round to catch your opponents neck, its sickening. How can anyone go out on a football field of any code and do that to anyone ?

2. People accusing us of cheap shots* without either a) stating what a cheap shot is and b) providing not a single bit of evidence, completely against reason. There is no chance in hell that the commentators/umpires and cameras missed them if they existed.

* Maybe our definitions of a cheap shot is different and i am not saying the irish lads were completely innocent, on the contrary i know they weren't, they did provoke a lot of it with their pushing and shoving, in that last clip you showed an irish lad pushing an aussie which i wouldn't consider a cheap shot, not sporting but hardly a cheap shot, and i wouldn't consider the aussies reaction anything but correct either. You get pushed for no reason, push back twice as hard, i have no problem with that at all.

3. Whatever moron accused the Irish players of racist remarks. That was really well thought up Was Sean Óg one of the Irish players shouting "blackies" etc ?

I don't know what the racism situation is like in Oz, i have a vauge idea of what its like in the US because of telly etc. But racism in Ireland historically didn't exist (unless you consider sectarianism/politics to be a form of racism), it has started to exist lately in urban areas because of the influx of minority groups.

The only racism your likely to experience in Ireland is if you salute a certain flag or worship Jesus a certain way in the wrong area. It has nothing to do with your "race".

You could be a member of any racial minority in the world and head to Ireland. If your a protestant you'd be treated like a long lost friend in certain areas, treated like a lifelong enemy in others. Vice versa if your a catholic.

Mate i am not saying we were innocent at all, i'm just asking for these "cheap shots" you keep talking about. Pushing and shoving to me isn't right but its a part of the game, it happens. Its not cheap.

A cheap shot to me would be something like a shot in the balls, kick in the back of the leg, tripping, using the elbow in a certain manner etc.

No-one in their right mind would defend Johnno's clothesline on the Irish Player

I've yet to see you tell the idiots that are defending him to shut up and cope on.

To simply ignore all the other cheap garbage that your guys went on with throughout the game is disingenuous.

Look can i get this clear in my mind. You consider the pushing/shoving in the two incidents you showed me to be "cheap shots" ?

In AR are they cheap ? Just last week i seen Barry Hall pushing and shoving his opponent for nearly the entire game, was that cheap too ?

I am not including the tackle because it was perfectly legitimate if you look at it.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Ah, memories.

Was there anything more amusing then when CJ single-handedly dropped three Irish squibs last year at the Telstra Dome? The coat hanger to begin proceedings was top notch but the flurry of strikes afterwards was even better.

As three Irish pounces lay on the ground battered and bruised, fearing for their well being at the hands of the CJ wrath, I tipped my hat to the good man for providing such entertainment. It just proved once again that the Irish are nothing more then a bunch of scared cats, afraid of physical confrontation. The Irish media cried foul, no more tackling they say, we’re too rough. We’re not rough, they’re just weak.

What was your initial reaction when CJ conquered the Irish?

Weak as p*** was my reaction.

Imagine the bleating this time around if one of our guys were 'Tom Lonerganed' by a guy brought in for such a purpose?

I think this is something that was not highlighted enough, Irish went all out with cheap shots early on because they couldn't run with the Aussies in the first game, we were just too fast and too skillful so they bought in some loudmouth thug and they started all the cheap shots.

CJ did what was expected of him, he stood up for all the young kids in the side and if they wanted a cheapshot war he was going to give them what they wanted plus interest.

I don't like how the match degenerated but this was the way Ireland forced the match and they chose to take no responsibility for it just blaming a guy who was entrusted to protect his young players.

For someone whose posts I usually admire, this is a shocker. I watched that game awaiting yet another brilliant display by the Aussies like in Game 1, but all we got from almost the first bounce was our blokes taking out the Irish in some sort of predetermined show of "strength". Rubbing their heads into the ground after the ball had left the area was the classic move.

Half those blokes like Lovett, Davey etc. normally sleep with the light on when it comes to a regular game of AFL, but leapt at the opportunity to lay into some skinny amateurs when they quickly realised that there was nobody on the opposition big enough to enact any retribution.

And Chris Johnson was not protecting any young players - don't dignify his dog act by intimating that it was anything more than a cheap clothesline hit.

The advantage we hold over the Irish by having the tackling law in place is huge - overwhelmingly in our favour. It changes the entire mentality of their Gaelic game. It would be like having a compromised cricket/baseball game and allowing the Yanks to pitch the ball at our batsmen without the benefit of padding. We'd be killed.

If what you thought of Chris Johnson's hit was tough and justified, then I've misjudged the meaning of Shinboner spirit.

 

[mr_cellotape]

In AR are they cheap ? Just last week i seen Barry Hall pushing and shoving his opponent for nearly the entire game, was that cheap too ?

Too early in the morning to respond to that monumental rant. But, two points:

I clarified my usage of the term 'cheap shot' earlier in the thread.

And in response the bit that I quoted: the major and important difference is that Barry Hall (and the majority of AFL players who provoke their opponents with such tactics) would not whinge and complain and label their opponents 'thugs' or whatever if they got their comeuppance at some point afterwards.

Again, don't antagonise your opponents, and then if someone does deck you, you'll actually deserve some sympathy.

 

[mrbehemoth]

They're all just pissed off that the country they sent all of their convicts too ****s all over theirs.

Ireland sent their convicts to Australia?

Well, well, who fell asleep in history class?

 

[CrazyQ]

Graham Canty would have kicked all those Aussies out there that night.

And never have a seen a player dominate like O'Hara did, he was unstoppable.

Can I say, why are we proud that we beat up men in teenage bodies?

I have respect for the Irish, good mob.

 

[CrazyQ]

Can i ask other people here if thats true ? I've watched and being watching a fair bit of AFL lately and i haven't seen a clothesliner yet.

Would Johnsons punishment be a few weeks off and everyone laughing over it ?

There would be a HUGE up roar and it would be talked for weeks.

Guys, stop trying to ****en act tough, Irish use to do this **** to us, we complained and now its in reverse.

 

[premier]

Too early in the morning to respond to that monumental rant. But, two points:

I clarified my usage of the term 'cheap shot' earlier in the thread.

No you did not. You said "'Cheap shot' may not be the correct term, but your guys certainly weren't innocent victims. Just take a look at the youtube video linked in the first post:"

If "cheap shot" isn't the correct term then why use it at all ? Using a term like the above sounds like your trying to say what we were at was below the belt when it was nothing of the sort.

I agree that Irish lads were pushing/shoving etc as per the first incident you mentioned on the youtube video at 0:12. Did this pushing and shoving merit what happened to Philip Jordan (clothesline) and others ?

The funny thing is that the vast majority of the Irish players getting "the" treatment from the Aussies were some of the smallest out there. For example, not once did i see anyone try anything on Sean Óg, probably the biggest Irish player out there, and still not a "huge" guy even by GAA standards. He didn't even get the "face in the dirt" treatment after tackles, several other Irish players also seen none of this ****e. Actually the majority of players Irish and Austrailian stayed out of the ****e.

And in response the bit that I quoted: the major and important difference is that Barry Hall (and the majority of AFL players who provoke their opponents with such tactics) would not whinge and complain and label their opponents 'thugs' or whatever if they got their comeuppance at some point afterwards.

I asked is shoving and pushing in your game called "cheap shots". Was Barry Hall guilty of "cheap shots" by pushing and shoving his opponent or is it a part of the game ?

Again, don't antagonise your opponents, and then if someone does deck you, you'll actually deserve some sympathy.

Are we talking different languages ? How is niggling (pushing/shoving) your opponent antagonising him ? I don't know about AFL but in GAA your always niggling your opponent especially when the balls close, its a part of the game. And i KNOW its a part of AFL because i've seen it in every game i've seen.

 

[O'Neill]

Premier, stop feckin whinging, you're giving us Irish a bad name.

fair play to ye Aussies, you'd taken a right beating in the previous couple of tests and thought ye'd try the dorty stuff and she worked. A throwback to the 80s and yer man bomber or whatever with the handlebar moustache and the Grimleys.

The Irish were more red-faced afterwards about picking small players and not standing up for themselves.

Rest assured ye Koala-kissers, ye'll get your comeuppance this year on the scoreboard as well as on yer bakes.

 

[O'Neill]

And another thing. What about thon balax of a moderator ye have, Fred. He's a feckin tube, rewording my posts in my initial thread. Wasn't like that 5 years ago when this board was quality. Fred should be shot with a ball of his own Shi'ite.

 

[CrazyQ]

And another thing. What about thon balax of a moderator ye have, Fred. He's a feckin tube, rewording my posts in my initial thread. Wasn't like that 5 years ago when this board was quality. Fred should be shot with a ball of his own Shi'ite.

 

[MaccaHawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGREZw4Sr4

Ah, memories.

Was there anything more amusing then when CJ single-handedly dropped three Irish squibs last year at the Telstra Dome? The coat hanger to begin proceedings was top notch but the flurry of strikes afterwards was even better.

As three Irish pounces lay on the ground battered and bruised, fearing for their well being at the hands of the CJ wrath, I tipped my hat to the good man for providing such entertainment. It just proved once again that the Irish are nothing more then a bunch of scared cats, afraid of physical confrontation. The Irish media cried foul, no more tackling they say, we’re too rough. We’re not rough, they’re just weak.

What was your initial reaction when CJ conquered the Irish?

My own view, he could have broken the first guy's neck with the "tackle". Not that hilarious at all and no-one should trying to defend it. He single handedly besmudged the aussie name in Ireland with that tackle. The rest was niggly, but his was thuggery.

As for the rest of it the incident/melee, fair enough as he was 1 on 1 with some of the guys coming in to challenge him (which they were also entitled to do after a horror tackle like that). That said, some of the aussie did then double team some of the irish lads.

I watched the game again just a few weeks ago and we (the Irish) did try to throw our weight around a bit more, and tried step up to the physicality of aussie rules. With the size of our fellas, that was never going to be done convincingly. They did go for a few cheap shots but got called too many time. The incident with Milburn was a bit embarassing.

I think if this year's series is left to football alone, Ireland will win fairly easily. If it is very physical (even legitimately), we will lose.

Thought it was quite funny last year when I saw Skin n Bones Davey getting tough! My gran would probably take him in an arm wrestle...

 

[Premo]

From what i remember, the incident where the Irish guy deliberatley stomped on Luke Hodge's nuts was what seemed to send the game out of controll. (theres your cheap shot Premier)

BUT.... Johnsons coathanger was disgraceful ...... although i did enjoy what happened straight afterwards

 

[Oh Furious One]

There would be a HUGE up roar and it would be talked for weeks.

I guess I'm still living in the 80's.

 

[Beckers]

Even though most of us love a bit of biff, taking on a bunch of guys who play a non-contact game is disgraceful and totally embarrasing!

As i have never seen him do that on the AFL field where the retaliation would be harsh, Chris Johnson has gone down in history as the complete coward